2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 4: Who is the MVP?)

[TinmanZBoy]

how about if Jokic produces another couple of historical games in the rest games? Will that swing voters mind at the end?

[guynumber45]

I think Jokic is having the better season, but historical precedent suggests SGA should get it and I wouldn't be mad. He's having an all time season himself and would be a worthy winner unlike 2023 Embiid.

At this point, the only boost to Jokic's individual legacy will be championships. Another MVP will just open the door for haters to slander him when the Nuggets lose in the 1st round because they don't have the pieces to compete in the West. Rather have all the pressure that comes with the MVP on Shai.

[Castle Black]

SGA playing on an absolutely stacked team confirmed. They must now sign Luke Kornet in Free Agency this offseason to become the greatest team ever assembled.

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[scrabbarista]

how about if Jokic produces another couple of historical games in the rest games? Will that swing voters mind at the end?

Mine, probably.

The actual voters, probably no chance.

If he averages 60/10/10 for the last seven or eight games, then probably yes, though.

[sp6r=underrated]

I think Jokic is having the better season, but historical precedent suggests SGA should get it and I wouldn't be mad. He's having an all time season himself and would be a worthy winner unlike 2023 Embiid.

At this point, the only boost to Jokic's individual legacy will be championships. Another MVP will just open the door for haters to slander him when the Nuggets lose in the 1st round because they don't have the pieces to compete in the West. Rather have all the pressure that comes with the MVP on Shai.

If you're a Jokic fan you should hope SGA wins. Critics are already saying Jokic has 3 MVPs and only 1 title. That talk will get worse if the Nuggets flame out, which they will. And in this case, as you said above SGA has a credible argument for being MVP. It isn't like Embiid's MVP trophy.

[Castle Black]

"He might be the best basketball player I've ever seen in my life." -Ant Edwards on Nikola Jokic

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[SA37]

"He might be the best basketball player I've ever seen in my life." -Ant Edwards on Nikola Jokic

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Love to see Ant giving Jokic his props (and Ant had a hell of a game himself).

[iggymcfrack]

I'd have SGA by a teeny tiny smidgeon today, but I expect by season's end I'll be saying Jokic deserved to win (we already know he won't). He's clearly the best player, and games played is the only reason SGA deserves it now, imo. But it's extremely, extremely, extremely close - or, at least, it should be.

Also defense.

That 61 point explosion also came with giving up 60 points in the paint and 140 points overall to the Wolves.

Did you watch the game? Because by your comment you obviously didn’t. Jokic defense was good all game. Sure you can point to other games this season when that wasn’t the case but this game? No even close Jokic played really good defense. Btw we all know SGA will win MVP. But why do you try to tear down a guy just to prop up yours. It is weak. Maybe appreciate two greats playing at the same time.

Side note. Minnesota shot 25 more shots than the Nuggets. Rebounding was a problem with the Nuggets were not boxing out giving up too many long rebounds.

I only watched the 3rd quarter, but I was actually struck by how bad Jokic's defense was. Just giving up easy bucket after easy bucket at the rim. Whenever Jokic is missing Murray and Porter and has to actually handle a huge scoring load, he doesn't really have the energy to contribute on defense too. I'm usually pretty big on Joker actually being an above average defender, but it was sad last night watching him just capitulate.

[SA37]

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Luka played 47 mins
Harden played 46 mins
Jokic played 53 mins

Also worth pointing out Jokic did this to the reigning (and 4-time) DPOY while fouling Gobert out of the game.

[guynumber45]

Also defense.

That 61 point explosion also came with giving up 60 points in the paint and 140 points overall to the Wolves.

Did you watch the game? Because by your comment you obviously didn’t. Jokic defense was good all game. Sure you can point to other games this season when that wasn’t the case but this game? No even close Jokic played really good defense. Btw we all know SGA will win MVP. But why do you try to tear down a guy just to prop up yours. It is weak. Maybe appreciate two greats playing at the same time.

Side note. Minnesota shot 25 more shots than the Nuggets. Rebounding was a problem with the Nuggets were not boxing out giving up too many long rebounds.

I only watched the 3rd quarter, but I was actually struck by how bad Jokic's defense was. Just giving up easy bucket after easy bucket at the rim. Whenever Jokic is missing Murray and Porter and has to actually handle a huge scoring load, he doesn't really have the energy to contribute on defense too. I'm usually pretty big on Joker actually being an above average defender, but it was sad last night watching him just capitulate.

Brother, there are plenty of games where you could pick out Jokic's bad defense. Yesterday was not one of them.

Also, Nuggets defense was actually solid yesterday because Murray and MPJ were out. Those 2 are some of the worst defenders at their position in the NBA

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Luka played 47 mins
Harden played 46 mins
Jokic played 53 mins

pretty crazy for a fatboy if u ask me...

53 mins, iirc he played the 2nd half and both OT's without a single rest and was still able to come up clutch time after time, when he should have been fatigued, no? idk many lumbering Centers who can pull off 53 mins at that pace...pretty sick in it's own right. Jokic has tremendous stamina and is in great shape. I wouldn't be surprised if he casually goes for another b2b triple double tonight, after playing 53 mins

KG called it earlier in the season when he said: "Jokic is Wilt, N*****", this is very Wilt-like just showing up and straight up dominating doesn't matter who the opponent is, b2b's etc.

[DrModesty]

Did you watch the game? Because by your comment you obviously didn’t. Jokic defense was good all game. Sure you can point to other games this season when that wasn’t the case but this game? No even close Jokic played really good defense. Btw we all know SGA will win MVP. But why do you try to tear down a guy just to prop up yours. It is weak. Maybe appreciate two greats playing at the same time.

Side note. Minnesota shot 25 more shots than the Nuggets. Rebounding was a problem with the Nuggets were not boxing out giving up too many long rebounds.

I only watched the 3rd quarter, but I was actually struck by how bad Jokic's defense was. Just giving up easy bucket after easy bucket at the rim. Whenever Jokic is missing Murray and Porter and has to actually handle a huge scoring load, he doesn't really have the energy to contribute on defense too. I'm usually pretty big on Joker actually being an above average defender, but it was sad last night watching him just capitulate.

Brother, there are plenty of games where you could pick out Jokic's bad defense. Yesterday was not one of them.

Also, Nuggets defense was actually solid yesterday because Murray and MPJ were out. Those 2 are some of the worst defenders at their position in the NBA

I just watched Minnesota's made buckets in the 3rd quarter (which is the only quarter he said he watched). You could definitely call it a mixed bag and the bad was normally him either getting lost on the perimeter or not competing due to a lack of energy.

[lobosloboslobos]

nobody in nba history has been #3, #2, #2, #2 in points, rebounds, assists and steals in a season

in Jordan's best season he was #1, #32, #10 and #3

in Bird's best season he was #2, #10, #20, #24

and Jokic won't win MVP???

[Patsfan1081]

I just can’t find any faults in Jokic’s offensive game. As much as I love Tatum he can disappear in big moments. SGA hunts for fouls a little too much for my taste and the Bucks season has been too much of a rollercoaster to get behind Giannis.

[RRR3]

Jokic has missed 12 games now, if he misses one more game he won't even be at 70 games played. You would have to think he's been quite a bit better than SGA to make up the difference in games played and frankly the impact data doesn't support that.

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic has missed 12 games now, if he misses one more game he won't even be at 70 games played. You would have to think he's been quite a bit better than SGA to make up the difference in games played and frankly the impact data doesn't support that.

Total Minutes played is partially made up by Jokic playing 2.5 more minutes a game than SGA but yeah

[THE J0KER]

Fun fact about this Jokic's season:

The Nuggets are 0-4 vs UNDER 0.500 teams (<0.450 in all 4 cases!) playing without Nikola Jokic.

[LordCovington33]

I think Jokic is having the better season, but historical precedent suggests SGA should get it and I wouldn't be mad. He's having an all time season himself and would be a worthy winner unlike 2023 Embiid.

At this point, the only boost to Jokic's individual legacy will be championships. Another MVP will just open the door for haters to slander him when the Nuggets lose in the 1st round because they don't have the pieces to compete in the West. Rather have all the pressure that comes with the MVP on Shai.

SGA 24/25 stats: 33/5/6
Jokic 24/25 stats: 30/13/10

Embiid 22/23 stats: 33/10/4
Jokic: 22/23 stats: 24.5/12/10
Jokic played 3 more games but the Sixers had the better record.

The PPG difference and the APG difference for the Embiid MVP season even each other out. The narrative created by Sixers/Embiid haters that he was the one of the least deserving of all time does not match reality.

Jokic is having a vastly superior statistical season this time around, yet it’s okay for him to lose. The only reason SGA will win this is because of wins and durability.

I am okay if either one wins, but there’s no consistency in the thought process presented in the thread.

[AmIWrongDude]

Thunder have what 15 games on the Nuggets and Shai has played more games and put up great stats himself.

I’m shocked people think this is a race at this point

[SpurNani]

Fun fact about this Jokic's season:

The Nuggets are 0-4 vs UNDER 0.500 teams (<0.450 in all 4 cases!) playing without Nikola Jokic.

How dare you try to mention tonights loss to the Spurs as a means to prop up Jokic even more. Bro the entire team didn’t play. Context is king.

Bring up those wins against the surging Warriors and Rockets they had without Jokic a week ago. Oh wait that doesn’t fit your woe is Joker narrative, huh?