2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[Saberestar]

im about sick of this second apron doom and gloom shtt from these so called experts. Its is an easy fix. and there is an only fix. Sure, you could trade Beal, but you'd have to dress him up with so many picks or take back so much crap that it would be detrimental...it's done folks. The path is there. There is no fork in road.

These poor baztards in the media have to repeat their crap over and over to justify their existence. They are so starved for content they have to keep making shtt up to talk about. Wonder this, suppose that. A Thankless endless circle of syrup. Imagine having to cover this team daily. This has been a tough season for them/us. Id like to fast forward the basketball clock about 4 months. Sure as H don't care to watch anymore. Mindless habit I guess.

And Ive listened to that Olson dude a lot on the radio...never seen him. Jesus dude, show up for this on camera interview in a stretched out Tee from your coffee table??? and this is the expert? Come on clown, professional-up a little bit. (I know you are reading this...take a page from dapper McCoy ferchristsakes)) Burns is a may be this may be that fence rider who always ends with a who knows. At least Gambo goes out on a limb.... but, like GdeKlein, he has many many limbs. Did I say many?

There is more valid incite/ideas on this site than what that trio has produced.

This front office would be roasted toasted and buried in a major media market. You got to go national for for anyone to take the gloves off on Wishbia. He is solely responsible for the demise of this franchise.



Im cranky today.

First off, agree about Kellan Olson. Kid is like 6'8 but he always looks like he rolled out of bed. Big T-shirt, Hoodie or Cargo shorts. Thats fine if you are not on camera. But on camera, look the part.

As for the Suns - it is truly about getting under the apron levels. Burns mentioned that to Olson. Now Gambos report about trading Beal - well how much draft capital will that take - of which you don't have. Plus, what garbage are you getting back. I floated the Bulls trade if they want to dump PWill. Its kind of garbage for garbage but they become flush with cap in the summer of 2027. Though I think with Huerter, Ball, Collins and Coby White, they actually can become flush with cap in 2026 so not likely.

Trading Beal with picks would jsut be stupid. Trading Beal for an Embiid, equally stupid

I just expect Ishbia to do the dumbest thing possible to create buzz for the casual or the NBA analysts but it doesn't do anything on the court

Trading Durant and Booker - he needs to do it if he TRULY wants to win a title. If he wants to be talked about on NBA Today, well he can do stupid crap - waste his money but end up the 9th seed

I just know this -- Ishbia is going to do the worst thing imaginable for the franchise. Thats a given.

The Suns will not trade Booker this summer. Book wants to stay and Ishbia wants him to stay on the Suns and both are very vocal about it.

Insiders are saying the same thing so that's it, we need to embrace it. That's it.

[BobbieL]

im about sick of this second apron doom and gloom shtt from these so called experts. Its is an easy fix. and there is an only fix. Sure, you could trade Beal, but you'd have to dress him up with so many picks or take back so much crap that it would be detrimental...it's done folks. The path is there. There is no fork in road.

These poor baztards in the media have to repeat their crap over and over to justify their existence. They are so starved for content they have to keep making shtt up to talk about. Wonder this, suppose that. A Thankless endless circle of syrup. Imagine having to cover this team daily. This has been a tough season for them/us. Id like to fast forward the basketball clock about 4 months. Sure as H don't care to watch anymore. Mindless habit I guess.

And Ive listened to that Olson dude a lot on the radio...never seen him. Jesus dude, show up for this on camera interview in a stretched out Tee from your coffee table??? and this is the expert? Come on clown, professional-up a little bit. (I know you are reading this...take a page from dapper McCoy ferchristsakes)) Burns is a may be this may be that fence rider who always ends with a who knows. At least Gambo goes out on a limb.... but, like GdeKlein, he has many many limbs. Did I say many?

There is more valid incite/ideas on this site than what that trio has produced.

This front office would be roasted toasted and buried in a major media market. You got to go national for for anyone to take the gloves off on Wishbia. He is solely responsible for the demise of this franchise.



Im cranky today.

First off, agree about Kellan Olson. Kid is like 6'8 but he always looks like he rolled out of bed. Big T-shirt, Hoodie or Cargo shorts. Thats fine if you are not on camera. But on camera, look the part.

As for the Suns - it is truly about getting under the apron levels. Burns mentioned that to Olson. Now Gambos report about trading Beal - well how much draft capital will that take - of which you don't have. Plus, what garbage are you getting back. I floated the Bulls trade if they want to dump PWill. Its kind of garbage for garbage but they become flush with cap in the summer of 2027. Though I think with Huerter, Ball, Collins and Coby White, they actually can become flush with cap in 2026 so not likely.

Trading Beal with picks would jsut be stupid. Trading Beal for an Embiid, equally stupid

I just expect Ishbia to do the dumbest thing possible to create buzz for the casual or the NBA analysts but it doesn't do anything on the court

Trading Durant and Booker - he needs to do it if he TRULY wants to win a title. If he wants to be talked about on NBA Today, well he can do stupid crap - waste his money but end up the 9th seed

I just know this -- Ishbia is going to do the worst thing imaginable for the franchise. Thats a given.

The Suns will not trade Booker this summer. Book wants to stay and Ishbia wants him to stay on the Suns and both are very vocal about it.

Insiders are saying the same thing so that's it, we need to embrace it. That's it.

Thats fine - he can keep Booker. Granted, it shouldn't be because Booker wants to stay - thats stupid. You keep Booker as you think he is better than the players/picks you can trade for him and the team better. Thats the ONLY reason to keep Booker. And I am not sure that is Ishbia's thinking

I am just saying, in my opinion, the best thing for the Suns longer term is to trade Devin Booker this off-season. Granted, just have to see what Ishbia will do in making other moves.

[KdoubleDees23]

FVV, Eason, Jabari Smith Jr and 1st round for KD
Williams, Heuter, Jalen Smith for Beal

FVV, Backup
Booker, Heuter
Williams, Eason
Smith Jr, Dunn, Smith
Richards, OSO

Get a leader at PG

[BobbieL]

FVV, Eason, Jabari Smith Jr and 1st round for KD
Williams, Heuter, Jalen Smith for Beal

FVV, Backup
Booker, Heuter
Williams, Eason
Smith Jr, Dunn, Smith
Richards, OSO

Get a leader at PG

for the record, that trade for the Bulls is 100% just fictitious. If I am the Bulls, I don't do it unless they are overwhelmed with draft picks
Not sure Beal even goes to the Bulls
Maybe Ishbia should just buy out Beal -- you don't get anything back, but you don't give up anything. Ishbia probably would save a bunch of cash doing this as well. Granted, he would be stubborn to not do this - rather add draft picks for a lousy player to "hey look at me, we are DOING something"

[Frank Lee]

Dammit FOReal... keep that quiet. Im not even going to quote it.

[MrMiyagi]

There are folks that still think KD and the Knicks have mutual interest. Putting defenders like Bridges, Anunoby, and Robinson around a scorer like KD, while still having a true floor general like Brunson, is about the only way he has the most value. Rumblings of him fitting better than Kat so.....?? I don't think it could ever happen, the Knicks would be silly to entertain KD for Kat. But if they did, its disturbing to also know that D'Angelo Russell is also a free-agent. The three musketeers would be weird!

We'd have some great Shaqtin the Fool reels.

[BobbieL]

There are folks that still think KD and the Knicks have mutual interest. Putting defenders like Bridges, Anunoby, and Robinson around a scorer like KD, while still having a true floor general like Brunson, is about the only way he has the most value. Rumblings of him fitting better than Kat so.....?? I don't think it could ever happen, the Knicks would be silly to entertain KD for Kat. But if they did, its disturbing to also know that D'Angelo Russell is also a free-agent. The three musketeers would be weird!

We'd have some great Shaqtin the Fool reels.

KAT for KD makes perfect sense for Ishbia. It keeps the myth alive that he is "trying to do everything to win" by trading a big contract for a big money contract. Not rebuilding, but reloading.

[wheezy]

This is kind of like Lillard in Portland, except he basically was singlehandedly still getting them into the playoffs, and sometimes pulling some historic upsets with series saving or series winning long buzzer beater 3s.

We can barely be in the 9/10 play in territory with BOTH KD and Book.

Yeah. That version of Dame was way better than current Booker. Actually if we had that Dame, KD and Beal along with the defense of Oso and Dunn...we'd be in the playoffs-and have a decent seed too.

I wish we had 2019 or so Damien Lillard.

My dream scenario would have been trading CP3 for him after the finals loss.

[sunsbum]

im about sick of this second apron doom and gloom shtt from these so called experts. Its is an easy fix. and there is an only fix. Sure, you could trade Beal, but you'd have to dress him up with so many picks or take back so much crap that it would be detrimental...it's done folks. The path is there. There is no fork in road.

These poor baztards in the media have to repeat their crap over and over to justify their existence. They are so starved for content they have to keep making shtt up to talk about. Wonder this, suppose that. A Thankless endless circle of syrup. Imagine having to cover this team daily. This has been a tough season for them/us. Id like to fast forward the basketball clock about 4 months. Sure as H don't care to watch anymore. Mindless habit I guess.

And Ive listened to that Olson dude a lot on the radio...never seen him. Jesus dude, show up for this on camera interview in a stretched out Tee from your coffee table??? and this is the expert? Come on clown, professional-up a little bit. (I know you are reading this...take a page from dapper McCoy ferchristsakes)) Burns is a may be this may be that fence rider who always ends with a who knows. At least Gambo goes out on a limb.... but, like GdeKlein, he has many many limbs. Did I say many?

There is more valid incite/ideas on this site than what that trio has produced.

This front office would be roasted toasted and buried in a major media market. You got to go national for for anyone to take the gloves off on Wishbia. He is solely responsible for the demise of this franchise.



Im cranky today.

Holy **** frank crawls out of his hole like Oscar the Grouch for a **** K.O. If your name Rhymes with Matt Ishbia and pronounced Bradley Beal, watch out

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

Lol! I'd give them a 1st on top of KD to get back Jaylen Brown and Derrick White if that was really offered at all.

J Brown would be the perfect archetypal physically dominant explosive wing/ forward for Booker to play off of in a 1-2 combo in the pick n roll. And White would be an amazing defensive guard next to Booker, ending this whole " Point Book" nonsense ( again.....lol).

But would also extend our competitive timeline too with a younger Brown and White. I just couldn'tget this trade done fast enough!!!

Shams is a rumor whore. so conditioned to be 'breaking news' that he swallows it down without discretion.

doubt it was for both of them anyway. Doesn't make any sense.

Too good to be true scenario as they say man! Honestly I'd do a KD for Porzingis trade with Holiday also going out to Orlando with Isaac/:25th pick coming back if possible.


Then look to move O'neale/ Martin/ CLE 27' 1st to Washington for Smart. And follow that up with O'neale to San Antonio for Sochan and a couple future 2nds.

Decline Milicic and bring back Morris or maybe even Paul on the vet minimum as our backup point guard. Then sign Gary Trent Jr as our 3rd rotation SG?

Smart/ Booker/ Isaac/ Nance Jr/ Porzingis.
Paul/ Allen/ Dunn/ Bol Bol/ Richards.
Gillespie/ Trent Jr/ Sochan/ rookie/ Ighodaro.

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Lol! I'd give them a 1st on top of KD to get back Jaylen Brown and Derrick White if that was really offered at all.

J Brown would be the perfect archetypal physically dominant explosive wing/ forward for Booker to play off of in a 1-2 combo in the pick n roll. And White would be an amazing defensive guard next to Booker, ending this whole " Point Book" nonsense ( again.....lol).

But would also extend our competitive timeline too with a younger Brown and White. I just couldn'tget this trade done fast enough!!!

Shams is a rumor whore. so conditioned to be 'breaking news' that he swallows it down without discretion.

doubt it was for both of them anyway. Doesn't make any sense.

Too good to be true scenario as they say man! Honestly I'd do a KD for Porzingis trade with Holiday also going out to Orlando with Isaac/:25th pick coming back if possible.


Then look to move O'neale/ Martin/ CLE 27' 1st to Washington for Smart. And follow that up with O'neale to San Antonio for Sochan and a couple future 2nds.

Decline Milicic and bring back Morris or maybe even Paul on the vet minimum as our backup point guard. Then sign Gary Trent Jr as our 3rd rotation SG?

Smart/ Booker/ Isaac/ Nance Jr/ Porzingis.
Paul/ Allen/ Dunn/ Bol Bol/ Richards.
Gillespie/ Trent Jr/ Sochan/ rookie/ Ighodaro.

Porzingis might make the team better, maybe pushing an outside player chance but your moves, giving upa FRP for Smart
just not winning anything - meaning the WC or the NBA Finals
and for me, thats the goal
So if you are trading Durant - and Ishbia probably would rather look like he is trying win over actually trying to build a long term sustainable team.

[Saberestar]

Bradley Beal and Royce O'Neale will play @ Boston.

Bradley Beal back after 8 games out.

[Fo-Real]

Dammit FOReal... keep that quiet. Im not even going to quote it.

[SunsRback4Good]

Dammit FOReal... keep that quiet. Im not even going to quote it.

Are you for real?

[KdoubleDees23]

FVV, Eason, Jabari Smith Jr and 1st round for KD
Williams, Heuter, Jalen Smith for Beal

FVV, Backup
Booker, Heuter
Williams, Eason
Smith Jr, Dunn, Smith
Richards, OSO

Get a leader at PG

for the record, that trade for the Bulls is 100% just fictitious. If I am the Bulls, I don't do it unless they are overwhelmed with draft picks
Not sure Beal even goes to the Bulls
Maybe Ishbia should just buy out Beal -- you don't get anything back, but you don't give up anything. Ishbia probably would save a bunch of cash doing this as well. Granted, he would be stubborn to not do this - rather add draft picks for a lousy player to "hey look at me, we are DOING something"

I know Beals brother. They have family in Chicago! Also, Beals brother lives in Texas now! I call teams Beal will go to any team in TX, Chicago, or Miami! Thats about it.

[BobbieL]

FVV, Eason, Jabari Smith Jr and 1st round for KD
Williams, Heuter, Jalen Smith for Beal

FVV, Backup
Booker, Heuter
Williams, Eason
Smith Jr, Dunn, Smith
Richards, OSO

Get a leader at PG

for the record, that trade for the Bulls is 100% just fictitious. If I am the Bulls, I don't do it unless they are overwhelmed with draft picks
Not sure Beal even goes to the Bulls
Maybe Ishbia should just buy out Beal -- you don't get anything back, but you don't give up anything. Ishbia probably would save a bunch of cash doing this as well. Granted, he would be stubborn to not do this - rather add draft picks for a lousy player to "hey look at me, we are DOING something"

I know Beals brother. They have family in Chicago! Also, Beals brother lives in Texas now! I call teams Beal will go to any team in TX, Chicago, or Miami! Thats about it.

So does his brother think he will be traded?

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

Still looking to try and find the link to this, but this would/could change a whole lot if true!

Sounds like we're going to move KD first to get some draft capital which we made need to use to move Beal. Not ideal but if we're determined to move Beal and no one wants him, you'll have to sell him with something else.

I don't know what the cost would be but if it's a couple of crappy FRP.... I'd probably just suck it up and do it. Clean slate moving forward

[lilfishi22]

Read on Twitter

What long term C do we currently have? Oso might peak as a small ball 5 but he's probably a better 4. Mason is a vet. Richards is decent but he's not a long term answer at 5.

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Still looking to try and find the link to this, but this would/could change a whole lot if true!

Sounds like we're going to move KD first to get some draft capital which we made need to use to move Beal. Not ideal but if we're determined to move Beal and no one wants him, you'll have to sell him with something else.

I don't know what the cost would be but if it's a couple of crappy FRP.... I'd probably just suck it up and do it. Clean slate moving forward

I just don’t think it’s worth it. What contracts are you taking back?

Just ride it out

[KdoubleDees23]

for the record, that trade for the Bulls is 100% just fictitious. If I am the Bulls, I don't do it unless they are overwhelmed with draft picks
Not sure Beal even goes to the Bulls
Maybe Ishbia should just buy out Beal -- you don't get anything back, but you don't give up anything. Ishbia probably would save a bunch of cash doing this as well. Granted, he would be stubborn to not do this - rather add draft picks for a lousy player to "hey look at me, we are DOING something"

I know Beals brother. They have family in Chicago! Also, Beals brother lives in Texas now! I call teams Beal will go to any team in TX, Chicago, or Miami! Thats about it.

So does his brother think he will be traded?

Yeah - Beal is gone. we all know that.

Suns Trade: KD
Rockets Trade: FVV, Eason or whitmore, Jabari Smith JR, and our 1st back.

This gives suns a leader on offense (Think CP3 lite)

FVV, Clayton Jr (Florida Rookie with our 1st back)
Booker, Allen
Whitmore / Eason, Dunn
Smith JR / Dunn / O'Neale
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for whatever we can get! I call any texas team, miami, or chicago. LA is a sleeper just cause of market