PG: fake contenders

[spree2kawhi]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

Both posts such nonsense.

[spree2kawhi]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

If we hadn't traded for KAT, we would have started the season without a single center who could play any more than 12-15 minutes. We had Sims and Huk, that is it. No Mitch, no Achiuwa, and Hartenstein left us (and even he got injured to start the season for OKC, so he probably would have been out for us too).

We would have dug to huge of a hole to start the season without trading for KAT. Same hole we dug ourselves during the 2013-14 season when we had no Tyson Chandler for a big chunk of the start of it.

There is no way replacing Randle with KAT made our front court weaker defensively. We literally would have been without a center and Randle cannot play center for any more than a few minutes.

Grimes is playing his best, but even at his best, he can't give you what Mikal does.

Even after the last two games, Mikal has still been averaging 21/3/5 on 54/36/93 over the last 14 games without Brunson.

Knicks are 8-6 during this stretch and Mikal has been the THIRD option behind KAT and OG

I don't know what else you want from the guy. You want him to average 27/9/6 like Jayson Tatum, but do it as a third or fourth option?!

They just want to whine to somebody. Nevermind. Imagine saying we downgraded from Randle to KAT, and then someone else even calling that facts that’s hysterical.

[3toheadmelo]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

If we hadn't traded for KAT, we would have started the season without a single center who could play any more than 12-15 minutes. We had Sims and Huk, that is it. No Mitch, no Achiuwa, and Hartenstein left us (and even he got injured to start the season for OKC, so he probably would have been out for us too).

We would have dug to huge of a hole to start the season without trading for KAT. Same hole we dug ourselves during the 2013-14 season when we had no Tyson Chandler for a big chunk of the start of it.

There is no way replacing Randle with KAT made our front court weaker defensively. We literally would have been without a center and Randle cannot play center for any more than a few minutes.

Grimes is playing his best, but even at his best, he can't give you what Mikal does.

Even after the last two games, Mikal has still been averaging 21/3/5 on 54/36/93 over the last 14 games without Brunson.

Knicks are 8-6 during this stretch and Mikal has been the THIRD option behind KAT and OG

I don't know what else you want from the guy. You want him to average 27/9/6 like Jayson Tatum, but do it as a third or fourth option?!

KAT is quite literally the worst defender in the league. He makes Randle look like prime KG.

Going back to those games against top-10 offenses, Towns has allowed opponents in those games to shoot 63% from the field -- ranking 346th out of 346 players to contest at least 50 shots against those teams, per ESPN Research.

On layups and dunks in those games, Towns is allowing 70% shooting -- and opponents are shooting 60% overall on layups and dunks against him, which is the worst mark of any player to contest at least 300 of them.

We could’ve easily gotten a C if we didn’t give up 5 picks for Mikalikina.

[3toheadmelo]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

Both posts such nonsense.

You’re not a serious person. You think this team is on the same level as Boston

Btw Donovan Mitchell made Mikalikina his bitch.

[NowWHYcee7]

Been saying this. I checked out weeks ago until the playoffs, but this team is ALL FRAUD.

[MrDollarBills]

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

Right the trolling after every loss is the same revisionist stuff over and over.

I got your message, gonna think about it and get right back to you

[3toheadmelo]

Spoiler:

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

It's funnier now that the Wolves have a worse record than they did last year, and it's not like Ant has missed a month of basketball like Brunson has.

And last year’s Knicks team has a better net rating than this Knicks team, better defensive rating, able to beat contenders. List goes on

Of course you didn’t mention that Randle was injured for a month and the Timberwolves went 5-8 without him. Since he came back they are 13-3.

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[Iron Mantis]

I must have taken a wrong turn.....

Why am I seeing bragging about the Timberwolves and their players in my Knicks post game thread?

[3toheadmelo]

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

Right the trolling after every loss is the same revisionist stuff over and over.

I got your message, gonna think about it and get right back to you

Bruh you only been watching the Knicks for like half a season

[MrDollarBills]

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

Right the trolling after every loss is the same revisionist stuff over and over.

I got your message, gonna think about it and get right back to you

Bruh you only been watching the Knicks for like half a season

2 seasons and a half, and I'm happy to be here

[ctorres]

There are no back to backs in the playoffs

We lose on the 2nd games of a back to back to a team like the Cavs

Circumstances will be much different come playoff time

[prophet_of_rage]

Do we need a bigger Mikal or a bigger Deuce?

Is it Mikal who needs replacing in the SL or is it Josh?

It's Mikal. He doesn't actually contribute anything as a starter. With JB back he would be the 4th option in the offence and if he isn't getting the ball he soesn't do anything at all. He soesn't rebound, he doesn't playmake, he doesn't get to the line. If you keot him in the SL with Deuce who also needs shots how does that work? Hart doean't need shots.

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I disagree that he contributes nothing. When we had Deuce guarding the POA, Mikal was playing pretty great defense as a wing patroller. He also provides spacing, shooting from the corners, and a tertiary playmaker.

The question is if that outweighs what Josh brings. Josh brings a ton of value and versatility, some of which overlap with Mikal, but he prevents you from playing 5 out.

Josh and Mikal are essentially playing different flavors of the same role and that may be preventing us from maximizing both.

Deuce mostly scores off spot ups. He gets shots without needing the ball and he guards the POA better than anyone else on the team. He slides Mikal back into his more natural defensive role. He's just small.

The lineup would be KAT, OG, Bridges, Deuce, JB. Deuce defends POA. Functions an an off ball shooter. JB is forst or second option on offence, handles the ball, gets hidden on weakest ofdensive guard. OG becomes the power forward. Defends best scorer. Demands shots. KAT is the first/second option. Rebounder and shootee. What is Mikal.left to do? He doesn't get to the line. He doesn't rebound. He qon't have the ball in his hand and he ia competing dor shots with Deuce.

Hart will defend, rebound, drice the ball in transition and doesn't need shots to contribute.

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[ctorres]

I must have taken a wrong turn.....

Why am I seeing bragging about the Timberwolves and their players in my Knicks post game thread?

Because somehow, there are people who feel we lost against the Cavs is mainly because we traded for KAT and Mikal

That somehow had we not made those trades, we would have beat the Cavs

[MrDollarBills]

I must have taken a wrong turn.....

Why am I seeing bragging about the Timberwolves and their players in my Knicks post game thread?

Odd.

There has been an increase in thread derailments, especially in post game threads. This has mainly been in the form of arguments about past players and namecalling groups of people who share a certain opinion.

This can not go on. It does not foster relevant and insightful dialogue, support a healthy community or generally make the threads a fun place to hang out.

This behavior will be met with swift repercussions from here on out.

If you observe this happening, report the post and the mods will handle it.

As a reminder, we have the Ex-Knicks and Sh*tposts Thread which is still open for all your hottest takes: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2447467

[3toheadmelo]

Right the trolling after every loss is the same revisionist stuff over and over.

I got your message, gonna think about it and get right back to you

Bruh you only been watching the Knicks for like half a season

2 seasons and a half, and I'm happy to be here

We do welcome you but you only seen dude play for half a season.

[3toheadmelo]

I must have taken a wrong turn.....

Why am I seeing bragging about the Timberwolves and their players in my Knicks post game thread?

Because somehow, there are people who feel we lost against the Cavs is mainly because we traded for KAT and Mikal

That somehow had we not made those trades, we would have beat the Cavs

Even if we don’t beat the Cavs, we would at least still have our assets to trade for a true difference maker. That’s the issue here

[MrDollarBills]

Bruh you only been watching the Knicks for like half a season

2 seasons and a half, and I'm happy to be here

We do welcome you but you only seen dude play for half a season.

Season and a half!!! Don't try to downgrade my service time to 41 games

[Clyde_Style]

2 seasons and a half, and I'm happy to be here

We do welcome you but you only seen dude play for half a season.

Season and a half!!! Don't try to downgrade my service time to 41 games

You've earned your stripes. No need to defend your Knicks credentials

Just keep it moving folks

The mud pits are closed for business

[ctorres]

I must have taken a wrong turn.....

Why am I seeing bragging about the Timberwolves and their players in my Knicks post game thread?

Because somehow, there are people who feel we lost against the Cavs is mainly because we traded for KAT and Mikal

That somehow had we not made those trades, we would have beat the Cavs

Even if we don’t beat the Cavs, we would at least still have our assets to trade for a true difference maker. That’s the issue here

KAT and Mikal are both assets

Our top players are all assets

We are very close to having the 4th best record in all of the NBA and even without Brunson we are still winning more games than we lose

Mikal and KAT can win games for us without Brunson having to play. We went from being fully co-dependent on Brunson to now being able to be competitive without him. Mikal and KAT are difference makers for the simple fact that the Knicks have won games without Brunson.

[spree2kawhi]

It’s just painful at this point. As if their hero had not just posted only 11 points just as recently as last game and didn’t have to be bailed out by Rudy’s 21 points, 18 rebounds. As if those blunders didn’t count when it’s other team’s players. As if Mikal wasn’t averaging 21+ ppg recently on very highly efficient shooting.

Given how they all performed without Brunson lately, which equals roughly 20% of the games played so far, one could argue that not only Towns, but also Bridges and Anunoby have each been upgrades throughout that recent stretch. Personally, with what they’ve shown with Brunson out, I’d be happy to have either of the three. We have all of them.

But more importantly: Why is someone even in here derailing a Cavs-Knicks thread, second night of a back to back without our best player, when these guys have led us to a winning record without our All NBA point guard? But yeah, “Donovan Mitchell made Mikalikina his bitch”, so I guess that’s the most important takeaway from our recent stretch without Brunson…