2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5

[TeamDisgruntled]

CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB has a strong face-up game, is 240 lbs and can actually guard several positions including being a small ball C, and he carried his team's offense. He is closer to Scottie size-wise and has some overlap.

Mogbo can finish dunks, and thinks he can handle and pass the ball but he is a turnover machine. He is about 225 lbs and more on a path to be Kenneth Faried. I do give him credit for getting decent at corner threes which he never took in college, and his defense is good to guard 1-3 positions.

I do think CMB will rate highly for teams because he is going to be able to defend and play team ball. A playoff team would love him. OKC loves to add these types. Maybe a bad fit on Toronto but we love these big defenders who can pass the ball.

Unless CMB has some giant quads they look to be nearly identical in size, length and weight. You seem to be comparing Mogbo’s play in the nba to CMBs college performance - In college Mogbo averaged more rebounds, more assists, less turnovers, same steals, less blocks on 2 less minutes a game. I’m not saying Mogbo will be a better pro or anything, I just think they are VERY similar players. I agree that for a different team he might be a perfect pick. For us however we gotta aim higher, someone with a higher ceiling, especially offensively.

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CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB has a strong face-up game, is 240 lbs and can actually guard several positions including being a small ball C, and he carried his team's offense. He is closer to Scottie size-wise and has some overlap.

Mogbo can finish dunks, and thinks he can handle and pass the ball but he is a turnover machine. He is about 225 lbs and more on a path to be Kenneth Faried. I do give him credit for getting decent at corner threes which he never took in college, and his defense is good to guard 1-3 positions.

I do think CMB will rate highly for teams because he is going to be able to defend and play team ball. A playoff team would love him. OKC loves to add these types. Maybe a bad fit on Toronto but we love these big defenders who can pass the ball.

You can't have a strong faceup game without a jumpshot and counters. The whole point of the triple threat position is being able to score on opponents in a variety of ways. If CMB is listed 6'6 with mediocre athleticism it's exceedingly difficult for me to see him having an offense run through him in the NBA as some kind of elite interior scorer.

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CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB has a strong face-up game, is 240 lbs and can actually guard several positions including being a small ball C, and he carried his team's offense. He is closer to Scottie size-wise and has some overlap.

Mogbo can finish dunks, and thinks he can handle and pass the ball but he is a turnover machine. He is about 225 lbs and more on a path to be Kenneth Faried. I do give him credit for getting decent at corner threes which he never took in college, and his defense is good to guard 1-3 positions.

I do think CMB will rate highly for teams because he is going to be able to defend and play team ball. A playoff team would love him. OKC loves to add these types. Maybe a bad fit on Toronto but we love these big defenders who can pass the ball.

Unless CMB has some giant quads they look to be nearly identical in size, length and weight. You seem to be comparing Mogbo’s play in the nba to CMBs college performance - In college Mogbo averaged more rebounds, more assists, less turnovers, same steals, less blocks on 2 less minutes a game. I’m not saying Mogbo will be a better pro or anything, I just think they are VERY similar players. I agree that for a different team he might be a perfect pick. For us however we gotta aim higher, someone with a higher ceiling, especially offensively.

CMB has way better touch inside than Mogbo and functional handle, Mogbo was too dunk reliant in college and was bricking all kinds of touch shots at rim. CMB on other hand functionally stronger but crappier athlete and size which matters.

[TeamDisgruntled]

CMB has a strong face-up game, is 240 lbs and can actually guard several positions including being a small ball C, and he carried his team's offense. He is closer to Scottie size-wise and has some overlap.

Mogbo can finish dunks, and thinks he can handle and pass the ball but he is a turnover machine. He is about 225 lbs and more on a path to be Kenneth Faried. I do give him credit for getting decent at corner threes which he never took in college, and his defense is good to guard 1-3 positions.

I do think CMB will rate highly for teams because he is going to be able to defend and play team ball. A playoff team would love him. OKC loves to add these types. Maybe a bad fit on Toronto but we love these big defenders who can pass the ball.

Unless CMB has some giant quads they look to be nearly identical in size, length and weight. You seem to be comparing Mogbo’s play in the nba to CMBs college performance - In college Mogbo averaged more rebounds, more assists, less turnovers, same steals, less blocks on 2 less minutes a game. I’m not saying Mogbo will be a better pro or anything, I just think they are VERY similar players. I agree that for a different team he might be a perfect pick. For us however we gotta aim higher, someone with a higher ceiling, especially offensively.

CMB has way better touch inside than Mogbo and functional handle, Mogbo was too dunk reliant in college and was bricking all kinds of touch shots at rim. CMB on other hand functionally stronger but crappier athlete and size which matters.

He definitely looks more polished off the dribble and finishing, which makes sense since he is thought of as a lottery pick in a loaded draft. But there does seem to be a lot of overlap.

No one around here seems to like Newell but if the kid measures out well I really like him in the 7-10 range.

[Dalek]

I could see us as a board overrating Maluach because as a franchise we have needed a lob threat/Rim protecting big forever.

Hard to say if it's better to gamble on Maluach than a guy like Tre. Tre could end up being a Tim Hardaway Jr hired gun fringe starter type. Much more appealing to have the 7'2 lob catching paint protector, but does he have enough upside to warrant being picked in the top 10?

I think its rare to find a mobile 7 footer like Maluach that isn't rail thin and needs a ton of physical development. Toronto would consider him because he is a reasonably high floor just based on size and physicality he could play a bench role tomorrow.

You take him with a high lotto pick because he has another level with shooting where we see it already in the above average freethrow shooting (76%) and the high touch in the paint. I also think character-wise he is a guy who will succeed. He reminds me Giannis coming from a big family, growing up poor, and just bringing positive energy in what he does.

My own thought is that we drafted Chomche last year and many fans may have felt disappointed with how raw he looked. I think Maluach is a substantially better prospect, but I can see how Chomche would influence people's perceptions about African prospects.

I don't think the Chomche situation is influencing anything.. maybe a handful of ppl. He was basically a free roll where we bet on his physical tools with a super late pick we got for cash and will see where he's at after next year. Sucks he got injured tho, id like to have seen him during these tank games

I forget who it was but some NBA/draft YouTube channel went to see a camp Maluach and Chomche were in last off season and called them raw and rawer. But Maluach is certainly further along and would be our backup C next year

I am worried about Chomche long-term. Hopefully it is a quick recovery. Inexperienced frontcourt players who miss time early on really kills their development and may even kill their shot at staying in the league. James Wiseman had so much talent but injuries caught up to him, Koloko lost a lot of time as well. I think Chomche needs so much time to see if he is anything.

I agree with you that Maluach is our back-up C next year, easily. He may be only a rim runner on offense, but in a couple years he will be able to start and hit threes. Maybe Chomche can be his back-up in a couple years.

[Dalek]

CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB has a strong face-up game, is 240 lbs and can actually guard several positions including being a small ball C, and he carried his team's offense. He is closer to Scottie size-wise and has some overlap.

Mogbo can finish dunks, and thinks he can handle and pass the ball but he is a turnover machine. He is about 225 lbs and more on a path to be Kenneth Faried. I do give him credit for getting decent at corner threes which he never took in college, and his defense is good to guard 1-3 positions.

I do think CMB will rate highly for teams because he is going to be able to defend and play team ball. A playoff team would love him. OKC loves to add these types. Maybe a bad fit on Toronto but we love these big defenders who can pass the ball.

Unless CMB has some giant quads they look to be nearly identical in size, length and weight. You seem to be comparing Mogbo’s play in the nba to CMBs college performance - In college Mogbo averaged more rebounds, more assists, less turnovers, same steals, less blocks on 2 less minutes a game. I’m not saying Mogbo will be a better pro or anything, I just think they are VERY similar players. I agree that for a different team he might be a perfect pick. For us however we gotta aim higher, someone with a higher ceiling, especially offensively.

Maybe you are looking at height and some basic counting stats.

Mogbo measured 217 at the draft. He is being slowly groomed as a SF because he is not able to defend bigs in NBA. He's probably better on guards.
CMB is listed from 230-240 lbs, I tend to think he is closer to 240. He is likely a PF/C at the next level.

Mogbo is a vertical athlete with a high dribble and some passing ability who put up numbers in the WCC conference where he played against 6'5 centers or guys who are future accountants.

CMB is a ground-bound athlete with a good functional handle, and played in the SEC the toughest conference in college.

I think there are big differences, especially with regard to the bulk that CMB has that makes him playoff ready. IN watching film, CMB is special.

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You know my dream is that we draft Maluach who is slow to develop, and Ingram plays 30 games before we trade him, and we tank for Cam Boozer. They we have a team!

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Both top-tier prospects, but Peterson... dang! I'd be shocked if he doesn't go on to become a star. Total package

[Basketball_Jones]

Is Fears the Lillard/Steph of this draft?

Or is he the Jerryd Bayless of this draft?

Personally, I'ma have faith in Masai, Bobby and Tolzman. These dudes are really damn good at drafting.

No one on this site has a better drafting record than our executive team and scouting department.

Lillard and Steph spent multiple years in college so it was easier to see they would be special. One and done guys is difficult to gauge. Fears has had a good year for a freshman though. Does he ultimately dominate if he stays again or just more of the same efficiency but higher volume is the question.

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You know my dream is that we draft Maluach who is slow to develop, and Ingram plays 30 games before we trade him, and we tank for Cam Boozer. They we have a team!

Boozer's shooting gives him mid level all-star floor if he scales up. He's an incredible prospect and going to Duke is going to really prepare him for NBA ball. WCS #2 on a winning team w/ potential for more.

I have em ranked

1. Peterson
2. Boozer
3. Quaintance
4. Dybantsa

It's too early to completely hate on AJ but something about him is fishy to me.

[Yallbecrazy]

CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB put up similar stats as Mogbo at 4 years younger and in the best conference in college basketball history as opposed to a mid major. CMB can also create his own offense. Yes, they are a similar size and both good rebounders, defenders, and have good bbiq. The difference is CMB projects significantly better.

[JShuttlesworth]

CMB in the top 8 seems wild to me. This is our last shot at landing an absolute stud, I just don’t think CMB is anywhere near the star potential you’re looking for. What does CMB do that Mogbo doesn’t? They seem redundant.

CMB put up similar stats as Mogbo at 4 years younger and in the best conference in college basketball history as opposed to a mid major. CMB can also create his own offense. Yes, they are a similar size and both good rebounders, defenders, and have good bbiq. The difference is CMB projects significantly better.

All you have to do is watch them play instead of looking at stats to know that CMB is much more polished, and better offensively, compared to Mogbo

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Dylan Cardwell is gonna get strong NBA looks as +end of bench guy who boosts team chemistry and produces when called upon. His production speaks for itself. BLK rate down but also cut down on stupid fouls this year. Crashes offensive glass, boxes out, 3:1 AST-TO, versatile defender, huge steal rate as full time starter.

Very draftable and underrated rotation potential as defense/garbage man who plays clean basketball.

Bruce Pearl routinely refers to him as the best defensive player in the SEC. That means something.

10th most efficient player in CBB according to Miya too.

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I'm ready to package some of our guards for a center or bigger forward who can defend and hit the 3 if we draft Fears.

Yeah thats the best thing to do in my eyes as well....But it also depends how good Fears looks....Id draft Fears and during next season try and package some of our players for a big.....Barrett might have to bite the bullet in that scenario.....Idk how moveable Quickly would be coming off a injured season....But we shall see how it plays out...

Sabonis is a guy who may get traded next year which could be someone for us to look at.

I would trade Poeltl, Dick and Agbaji for Sabonis.

Seriously, Sabonis, Derozan, JV for IQ, Poeltl, Dick, Agbaji and 2025 1st pick. Let's get Derozan and JV their rings.

PG Derozan - Shead - Jakobe
SG Barrett - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Battle - Barrett
PF Barnes - Mogbo
C Sabonis - JV - Chomche

[YogurtProducer]

I'm ready to package some of our guards for a center or bigger forward who can defend and hit the 3 if we draft Fears.

Yeah thats the best thing to do in my eyes as well....But it also depends how good Fears looks....Id draft Fears and during next season try and package some of our players for a big.....Barrett might have to bite the bullet in that scenario.....Idk how moveable Quickly would be coming off a injured season....But we shall see how it plays out...

Sabonis is a guy who may get traded next year which could be someone for us to look at.

I would trade Poeltl, Dick and Agbaji for Sabonis.

Seriously, Sabonis, Derozan, JV for IQ, Poeltl, Dick, Agbaji and 2025 1st pick. Let's get Derozan and JV their rings.

PG Derozan - Shead - Jakobe
SG Barrett - Jakobe - Lawson
SF Ingram - Battle - Barrett
PF Barnes - Mogbo
C Sabonis - JV - Chomche

Oh sweet, we get worse, older, and give up our picks.

Sabonis is intriguing, but i dont think he a guy you can win with. I am not actually convinced his actual impact is greater than Poeltl.

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Dylan Cardwell is gonna get strong NBA looks as +end of bench guy who boosts team chemistry and produces when called upon. His production speaks for itself. BLK rate down but also cut down on stupid fouls this year. Crashes offensive glass, boxes out, 3:1 AST-TO, versatile defender, huge steal rate as full time starter.

Very draftable and underrated rotation potential as defense/garbage man who plays clean basketball.

Bruce Pearl routinely refers to him as the best defensive player in the SEC. That means something.

10th most efficient player in CBB according to Miya too.

He should try granny smith FT's.

[Thaddy]

I think its rare to find a mobile 7 footer like Maluach that isn't rail thin and needs a ton of physical development. Toronto would consider him because he is a reasonably high floor just based on size and physicality he could play a bench role tomorrow.

You take him with a high lotto pick because he has another level with shooting where we see it already in the above average freethrow shooting (76%) and the high touch in the paint. I also think character-wise he is a guy who will succeed. He reminds me Giannis coming from a big family, growing up poor, and just bringing positive energy in what he does.

My own thought is that we drafted Chomche last year and many fans may have felt disappointed with how raw he looked. I think Maluach is a substantially better prospect, but I can see how Chomche would influence people's perceptions about African prospects.

I don't think the Chomche situation is influencing anything.. maybe a handful of ppl. He was basically a free roll where we bet on his physical tools with a super late pick we got for cash and will see where he's at after next year. Sucks he got injured tho, id like to have seen him during these tank games

I forget who it was but some NBA/draft YouTube channel went to see a camp Maluach and Chomche were in last off season and called them raw and rawer. But Maluach is certainly further along and would be our backup C next year

I am worried about Chomche long-term. Hopefully it is a quick recovery. Inexperienced frontcourt players who miss time early on really kills their development and may even kill their shot at staying in the league. James Wiseman had so much talent but injuries caught up to him, Koloko lost a lot of time as well. I think Chomche needs so much time to see if he is anything.

I agree with you that Maluach is our back-up C next year, easily. He may be only a rim runner on offense, but in a couple years he will be able to start and hit threes. Maybe Chomche can be his back-up in a couple years.

Chomche is already healthy. There just isn't a reason to rush him back. He is going to get rocked by the tanking talent we're competing against and hurt his confidence. Summer league, GLeague, and then playing tanking teams next year will be a better approach. It'll increase his confidence and hopefully produce a rotation level big.