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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2521 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:29 pm

Bensational wrote:The Magic take 2 of the next 5 games to finish below .500?

WAS - Yes
ATL - Maybe
BOS - Unlikely (2nd night of b2b)
IND - Unlikely (3rd game in 4 nights)
ATL - Maybe

Will require some serious falling apart from them to lose some of those games. They’ve already lost to every team there once this season, so they’ve proven it’s doable.

38-43 after all the injuries and other struggles this season would be a pretty depressing accomplishment. Lose Paolo for 34 games, Franz for 20, Suggs for 47, Mo for 52 and only lose 9 games more than the season prior?

Leggo 2026!!!!


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Regardless, if the Magic didn't have extended injuries to Paolo and Franz while Suggs/Moe didn't have season ending injuries, I guarantee they would have exceeded last years record or at least matched it.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2522 » by drsd » Thu Apr 3, 2025 2:37 pm

All that is required is that Orlando wins-out AND Milwaukee loses-out, and then Orlando is the 6-seed.

I believe!

EDIT: actually if Detroit also loses-out, Orlando is the 5-seed on tie-breakers. I think.

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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2523 » by eyriq » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:04 pm

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:The 2024 Magic posted a stronger collective tNet, driven by Isaac’s elite impact, Moritz Wagner’s high oNet, and a tighter rotation. The 2025 squad has seen promising development from Banchero and Bitadze but lacks the same depth as last year.


Long story short...

The Magic's bench last year was extremely effective and this year it's been awful.

Cole/Ingles/Isaac/Moritz as a four-man combo had the most games played together last year of every four-man combo on the team and put up a +11.1 NET.

It didn't matter if the 5th man was Franz, Harris or Black - those four guys together were really good with whatever 5th man they had out there.

Isaac has regressed DRAMATICALLY from last year. His individual net rating in 2024 was +10.9 (113.0 ORTG, 102.1 DRTG). This year's it's -1.2 (105.2 ORTG, 106.4 DRTG). Statistically, even though he only played 16 MPG, he was the most impactful defensive player on a per minute basis in the entire NBA last year. The Magic were the best team in the NBA defensively by a mile when Isaac was on the floor and just absolutely killed people.

Cole is also much worse (+2.6 NET last year, -1.1 NET this year).

Ingles (+5.8 NET) wasn't retained and his primary replacement TDS (-3.5 NET) has been really bad.

And Moritz because of injury is going to play 851 minutes less than last year.

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Basically it's exactly what I laid out in the Clippers game thread.

1. They gambled that they could effectively replace Ingles' playmaking responsibilities internally and that did not happen
2. Isaac regressed SEVERELY year over year - went from unquestionably the most impactful low minute player in the NBA to an actively harmful player
3. KCP, because of poor shooting in comparison to the rest of his career, has not effectively replaced Suggs/Gary in the starting SG role
4. Franz and Paolo, while overall better players than last year, are both still such inconsistent and overall poor perimeter shooters that they negatively impact wins and losses more significantly on a game-to-game basis (Franz 34% 3PT in wins, 23% 3PT in losses - Paolo 38% 3PT in wins, 27% 3PT in losses)


This highlights an ideal offseason plan.
1. Hire an offensive coordinator
2. Trade JI, Cole, WCJ, and KCP
3. Surround Suggs and AB with offensively focused guards
4. Make a long term decision on Moritz
5. Acquire a big
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2524 » by basketballRob » Thu Apr 3, 2025 3:33 pm

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:The 2024 Magic posted a stronger collective tNet, driven by Isaac’s elite impact, Moritz Wagner’s high oNet, and a tighter rotation. The 2025 squad has seen promising development from Banchero and Bitadze but lacks the same depth as last year.


Long story short...

The Magic's bench last year was extremely effective and this year it's been awful.

Cole/Ingles/Isaac/Moritz as a four-man combo had the most games played together last year of every four-man combo on the team and put up a +11.1 NET.

It didn't matter if the 5th man was Franz, Harris or Black - those four guys together were really good with whatever 5th man they had out there.

Isaac has regressed DRAMATICALLY from last year. His individual net rating in 2024 was +10.9 (113.0 ORTG, 102.1 DRTG). This year's it's -1.2 (105.2 ORTG, 106.4 DRTG). Statistically, even though he only played 16 MPG, he was the most impactful defensive player on a per minute basis in the entire NBA last year. The Magic were the best team in the NBA defensively by a mile when Isaac was on the floor and just absolutely killed people.

Cole is also much worse (+2.6 NET last year, -1.1 NET this year).

Ingles (+5.8 NET) wasn't retained and his primary replacement TDS (-3.5 NET) has been really bad.

And Moritz because of injury is going to play 851 minutes less than last year.

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Basically it's exactly what I laid out in the Clippers game thread.

1. They gambled that they could effectively replace Ingles' playmaking responsibilities internally and that did not happen
2. Isaac regressed SEVERELY year over year - went from unquestionably the most impactful low minute player in the NBA to an actively harmful player
3. KCP, because of poor shooting in comparison to the rest of his career, has not effectively replaced Suggs/Gary in the starting SG role
4. Franz and Paolo, while overall better players than last year, are both still such inconsistent and overall poor perimeter shooters that they negatively impact wins and losses more significantly on a game-to-game basis (Franz 34% 3PT in wins, 23% 3PT in losses - Paolo 38% 3PT in wins, 27% 3PT in losses)


This highlights an ideal offseason plan.
1. Hire an offensive coordinator
2. Trade JI, Cole, WCJ, and KCP
3. Surround Suggs and AB with offensively focused guards
4. Make a long term decision on Moritz
5. Acquire a big
Moritz won't even be available until the first of the year. I wouldn't offer him an extension

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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2525 » by drsd » Thu Apr 3, 2025 4:28 pm

Recently, Paolo Banchero noted that when the Orlando Magic play faster, they shoot the ball better from 3-point range and don’t turn the ball over as much. Tuesday’s win over the San Antonio Spurs was a great example of that.

The Magic got a few great looks from beyond the arc in transition and they only committed one of their 13 turnovers when they pushed the pace.

Since the All-Star break, Orlando is shooting 42.6 percent from 3-point distance in transition, the sixth best mark in the league. It also in this timeframe is averaging just 1.3 turnovers per game in transition, second fewest. Only the Boston Celtics are averaging fewer.


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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2526 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Apr 3, 2025 5:41 pm

drsd wrote:
Recently, Paolo Banchero noted that when the Orlando Magic play faster, they shoot the ball better from 3-point range and don’t turn the ball over as much. Tuesday’s win over the San Antonio Spurs was a great example of that.

The Magic got a few great looks from beyond the arc in transition and they only committed one of their 13 turnovers when they pushed the pace.

Since the All-Star break, Orlando is shooting 42.6 percent from 3-point distance in transition, the sixth best mark in the league. It also in this timeframe is averaging just 1.3 turnovers per game in transition, second fewest. Only the Boston Celtics are averaging fewer.


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https://www.nba.com/magic/news/when-pushing-the-pace-orlando-magic-shooting-it-better-from-three-and-committing-few-turnovers-20250402[/url]

having a PG who can handle the ball and get it moving has made a massive difference... even if said PG is 33 year old CoJo. However, we see stretches where we get down and it's back to Paolo/Franz Iso panic time. A Vet PG who still has 3-4 years would be massive for this roster
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2527 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Apr 3, 2025 6:43 pm

Knightro wrote:
Bensational wrote:Can the Magic take 4 of the next 5 games to finish .500?

WAS - Yes
ATL - Maybe
BOS - Unlikely (2nd night of b2b)
IND - Unlikely (3rd game in 4 nights)
ATL - Maybe


If the Magic lose to the Hawks at home with four days of rest leading into it and with the Hawks playing their third game in four nights...



BOS may be resting people, as they are fixed in 2nd with no place to go. Indy could be in that situation by the time we play them.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2528 » by Bensational » Fri Apr 4, 2025 3:11 am

Knightro wrote:
Bensational wrote:Can the Magic take 4 of the next 5 games to finish .500?

WAS - Yes
ATL - Maybe
BOS - Unlikely (2nd night of b2b)
IND - Unlikely (3rd game in 4 nights)
ATL - Maybe


If the Magic lose to the Hawks at home with four days of rest leading into it and with the Hawks playing their third game in four nights...


I’ll have to check the numbers but it feels like games after extended rest have often been trap games for us.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2529 » by Bensational » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:13 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:FIXED!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself :lol:


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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2530 » by ogmagicfan » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:35 am

They just asked Candace Parker what her brother needs to do to get the Magic back on the upward swing on TNT.

She said shooting.

Vince Carter said they need a PG and Paolo shouldnt have to focus on being a facilitator when his best strength is scoring and what his focus should be.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2531 » by drsd » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:47 am

WIth the Bucks win, Orlando's magic number to miss the playoffs is now 1 (it might be 0 on tie-breakers, depending on Detroit).

So: 1 Magic loss or 1 Detroit/Milwaukee win, and Orland cannot be better than the 7 seed.


p.s. Antetokounmpo went 35/20/17 in leading his team's win. :o
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2532 » by drsd » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:57 am

Orlando is 1-game up on the Hawks, but the two-games in hand were both wins: that whereas Atlanta and Orlando are tied in losses, the Magic has 2-more wins.

Miami is now eliminated from the direct playoffs and is a confirmed play-in team now. Orlando has 2-less losses. to avoid the 9-slot, and the Magic is 2 1/2 games up overall.

The computers are predicting a final 40-42 record and the 7 seed. That feels correct. But a Hawks sweep, 41-41 is quite a reasonable final record.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2533 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Apr 4, 2025 11:51 am

Bensational wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:FIXED!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself :lol:


Magic gonna prove ya wrong!

And Jett!


I doubt Jett is even on the team next season. He will be outta the league in a few years anyways. Caleb and Queen are better players while being much cheaper.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2534 » by AdamTheGreek » Fri Apr 4, 2025 1:39 pm

Magic are off today. Practice Saturday. Off Sunday. Practice Monday.

So I don’t want to see any folks made Saturday night if you see Paolo or others at the Final Four.

Also, Dwight should be there for his Naismith Hall of Fame induction announcement.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2535 » by eyriq » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:17 pm

ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I actually think this understates our offense and overstates our defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2536 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:28 pm

eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I'm actually this this understates our offense and overstates or defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


I think as a team we are a worse for sure but Paolo/Franz offensively have been able to get theirs enough to keep us in most games. The moves this FO made last summer haven't paid off and its decision time for quite a few players
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2537 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:31 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Bensational wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:FIXED!!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself :lol:


Magic gonna prove ya wrong!

And Jett!


I doubt Jett is even on the team next season. He will be outta the league in a few years anyways. Caleb and Queen are better players while being much cheaper.

yeah I see Jett as an added piece in whatever deal we make this summer. He's not getting minutes here at all so why waste his value, well what's left of his value.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2538 » by eyriq » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:40 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I'm actually this this understates our offense and overstates or defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


I think as a team we are a worse for sure but Paolo/Franz offensively have been able to get theirs enough to keep us in most games. The moves this FO made last summer haven't paid off and its decision time for quite a few players
KCP signing, WCJ, JI, Goga, and Moe extensions, TDS draft. No trades.

Really odd offseason in retrospect.

TDS is fine, unfortunately he's out of the rotation but he made an impact and earned some vests.

WCJ getting locked up at 4th/5th starters money is wild.

JI getting locked up at 6th/7th man money is wild.

Goga and Moe were fine contracts.

The KCP signing is questionable.

They have made some mistakes for sure.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2539 » by KillMonger » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:44 pm

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Post#2540 » by thelead » Fri Apr 4, 2025 4:54 pm

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