OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[TerrenceClarke]

I hear ya but if Hunter is as blue chip as people say he is doesn't he have a chance to be Surtain or a Revis or a Deion?

Otherwise we shouldn't be passing up a QB in Mcshay scenario for a non blue chip prospect.

The reality is that he blue chip mostly cause he play both sides. Not sure if i ever viewed him as a once in a generation corner back talent. I don’t think I ever heard anyone say he is THAT good of a DB.

If he didn’t play both sides and was strictly a DB do you think he has that type of level?

Not sure if he is seen like that on that side of ball. Have we really seen Travis lock schit down like that in college like no one has in a long time ? I Don’t think I have. I think he can be good for sure but is he an all time great CB level. I cant call it.

I've seen at least 4 prominent draft sites (Walter Football, 33rd Team, The Draft Network, Dane Brugler) categorize Hunter as a potential generational day 1 pro bowler as a CB, with comparisons to Woodson, Champ Bailey and prime Darius Slay. The biggest concern is his frame.


YMMV on how much stock you put into those sources, but he's being evaluated in that light by a lot of places.

He's also getting that type of buzz as a receiver, which he's probably better at.

Some people were arguing that will johnson was better as the pure corner in here and around draft circles so I don’t know. nobody ever said johnson was generational of that level.

I can’t put to much stock into anything pre draft as anyone saying any player is that good. Generational is thrown around loosely in all sports. He is a generational athlete for sure.that’s as far as I can go before he steps on a field.

I’m confident I can name a few CBs that were said to be the next Woodson. Bailey etc and they never turned out to be as good as them.


Were we really blown away from THs DB skills like whoa we never seen a player defend like this in years. Or was most of his hype mostly centered around man this guy is good on both sides. To be considered generational we have to not seen this ability or skillset in a looooooong time. Stricly as a DB he didn’t do that in college. He only proved he is a generational athlete as of now. His abilty to do both is what we haven’t seen in a long time.

Can TH erase a whole side of a field like them dudes? Nobody truly knows imo. Those are the lofty of loftiest claims for any player. Cause if we comparing them to those cats he will consistently have to be able erase the players he guards that We talking about…. Don’t throw to that side of the field energy. There is a reason why defenses throw so many DBs out there in the modern NFL. It’s super hard to keep up. Can TH be a very good DB in the NFL? Like I said earlier for sure he can. There is def high level talent there.

There is a difference between being very good vs generational tho.

Can there actually be a Revis Island in 2025?

Again I just can’t go there untill he plays and proves it’s possible. Talent wise I’m cool with him being the pick so there’s that.

Also Don’t forget these same draft pundits were saying Marvin Harrison Jr was a generational WR. And right now it’s looking suspect on those claims.

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for travis hunter, i've seen plenty of places that list him as already the best CB in the draft and the best WR in the draft. what if he focused all of his energy into playing CB or all of his energy into playing WR? i think he can get even better, he has all of the talent in the world.

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if we draft travis hunter and throw jameis out there as our starter, travis hunter going to be playing CB half the time he plays WR too

[mpharris36]

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Bobby Skinner left Talkin' Giants with a dispute with Jomboy Media or re-upping his contract. But he started his own show and typically has good breakdowns (by no means a expert but one of the better Giants content creators). Put together a mock (with Ward and Carter going 1-2 in this scenario).

He goes Travis Hunter and basically reiterated what I have said. He should be a full time corner. Its by far the tougher position to play and devote most of your time and then put packages for him on offense and since we already have Nabers as a #1 there isn't a need for him right now as a full time WR. So play develop him as a Corner and then put packages for him at WR. If for some reason that doesn't work you just move him to full time WR which he can transition to as well.

[GONYK]

The reality is that he blue chip mostly cause he play both sides. Not sure if i ever viewed him as a once in a generation corner back talent. I don’t think I ever heard anyone say he is THAT good of a DB.

If he didn’t play both sides and was strictly a DB do you think he has that type of level?

Not sure if he is seen like that on that side of ball. Have we really seen Travis lock schit down like that in college like no one has in a long time ? I Don’t think I have. I think he can be good for sure but is he an all time great CB level. I cant call it.

I've seen at least 4 prominent draft sites (Walter Football, 33rd Team, The Draft Network, Dane Brugler) categorize Hunter as a potential generational day 1 pro bowler as a CB, with comparisons to Woodson, Champ Bailey and prime Darius Slay. The biggest concern is his frame.


YMMV on how much stock you put into those sources, but he's being evaluated in that light by a lot of places.

He's also getting that type of buzz as a receiver, which he's probably better at.

Some people were arguing that will johnson was better as the pure corner in here and around draft circles so I don’t know. nobody ever said johnson was generational of that level.

I can’t put to much stock into anything pre draft as anyone saying any player is that good. Generational is thrown around loosely in all sports. He is a generational athlete for sure.that’s as far as I can go before he steps on a field.

I’m confident I can name a few CBs that were said to be the next Woodson. Bailey etc and they never turned out to be as good as them.


Were we really blown away from THs DB skills like whoa we never seen a player defend like this in years. Or was most of his hype mostly centered around man this guy is good on both sides. To be considered generational we have to not seen this ability or skillset in a looooooong time. Stricly as a DB he didn’t do that in college. He only proved he is a generational athlete as of now. His abilty to do both is what we haven’t seen in a long time.

Can TH erase a whole side of a field like them dudes? Nobody truly knows imo. Those are the lofty of loftiest claims for any player. Cause if we comparing them to those cats he will consistently have to be able erase the players he guards that We talking about…. Don’t throw to that side of the field energy. There is a reason why defenses throw so many DBs out there in the modern NFL. It’s super hard to keep up. Can TH be a very good DB in the NFL? Like I said earlier for sure he can. There is def high level talent there.

There is a difference between being very good vs generational tho.

Can there actually be a Revis Island in 2025?

Again I just can’t go there untill he plays and proves it’s possible. Talent wise I’m cool with him being the pick so there’s that.

Also Don’t forget these same draft pundits were saying Marvin Harrison Jr was a generational WR. And right now it’s looking suspect on those claims.

Like I said, YMMV, but you've essentially made a case for not listening to any scouting sources for anyone in either direction.

[TerrenceClarke]

I've seen at least 4 prominent draft sites (Walter Football, 33rd Team, The Draft Network, Dane Brugler) categorize Hunter as a potential generational day 1 pro bowler as a CB, with comparisons to Woodson, Champ Bailey and prime Darius Slay. The biggest concern is his frame.


YMMV on how much stock you put into those sources, but he's being evaluated in that light by a lot of places.

He's also getting that type of buzz as a receiver, which he's probably better at.

Some people were arguing that will johnson was better as the pure corner in here and around draft circles so I don’t know. nobody ever said johnson was generational of that level.

I can’t put to much stock into anything pre draft as anyone saying any player is that good. Generational is thrown around loosely in all sports. He is a generational athlete for sure.that’s as far as I can go before he steps on a field.

I’m confident I can name a few CBs that were said to be the next Woodson. Bailey etc and they never turned out to be as good as them.


Were we really blown away from THs DB skills like whoa we never seen a player defend like this in years. Or was most of his hype mostly centered around man this guy is good on both sides. To be considered generational we have to not seen this ability or skillset in a looooooong time. Stricly as a DB he didn’t do that in college. He only proved he is a generational athlete as of now. His abilty to do both is what we haven’t seen in a long time.

Can TH erase a whole side of a field like them dudes? Nobody truly knows imo. Those are the lofty of loftiest claims for any player. Cause if we comparing them to those cats he will consistently have to be able erase the players he guards that We talking about…. Don’t throw to that side of the field energy. There is a reason why defenses throw so many DBs out there in the modern NFL. It’s super hard to keep up. Can TH be a very good DB in the NFL? Like I said earlier for sure he can. There is def high level talent there.

There is a difference between being very good vs generational tho.

Can there actually be a Revis Island in 2025?

Again I just can’t go there untill he plays and proves it’s possible. Talent wise I’m cool with him being the pick so there’s that.

Also Don’t forget these same draft pundits were saying Marvin Harrison Jr was a generational WR. And right now it’s looking suspect on those claims.

Like I said, YMMV, but you've essentially made a case for not listening to any scouting sources for anyone in either direction.

How so. If I’m acknowledging dude is top flight talent all around then wouldn’t I be agreeing with the scouting take?

My argument is if we isolate him on defense does he remain generational as of what we saw so far.

Are you going to say with a straight face you saw TH being generational on defense as a cover corner in college. Did he show you something on defense you haven’t seen in awhile from any CB in the last 10 years?

You also have your own opinion my dude.

Being the best at a position in the draft doesn’t not equal generational. Just means you the best in your draft.

Nobody is saying Ward is a generational QB right now.

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I'm actually glad we are likely passing on the QB at 3. It will give the new regime a clean plate to choose the QB next draft.

[GONYK]

Some people were arguing that will johnson was better as the pure corner in here and around draft circles so I don’t know. nobody ever said johnson was generational of that level.

I can’t put to much stock into anything pre draft as anyone saying any player is that good. Generational is thrown around loosely in all sports. He is a generational athlete for sure.that’s as far as I can go before he steps on a field.

I’m confident I can name a few CBs that were said to be the next Woodson. Bailey etc and they never turned out to be as good as them.


Were we really blown away from THs DB skills like whoa we never seen a player defend like this in years. Or was most of his hype mostly centered around man this guy is good on both sides. To be considered generational we have to not seen this ability or skillset in a looooooong time. Stricly as a DB he didn’t do that in college. He only proved he is a generational athlete as of now. His abilty to do both is what we haven’t seen in a long time.

Can TH erase a whole side of a field like them dudes? Nobody truly knows imo. Those are the lofty of loftiest claims for any player. Cause if we comparing them to those cats he will consistently have to be able erase the players he guards that We talking about…. Don’t throw to that side of the field energy. There is a reason why defenses throw so many DBs out there in the modern NFL. It’s super hard to keep up. Can TH be a very good DB in the NFL? Like I said earlier for sure he can. There is def high level talent there.

There is a difference between being very good vs generational tho.

Can there actually be a Revis Island in 2025?

Again I just can’t go there untill he plays and proves it’s possible. Talent wise I’m cool with him being the pick so there’s that.

Also Don’t forget these same draft pundits were saying Marvin Harrison Jr was a generational WR. And right now it’s looking suspect on those claims.

Like I said, YMMV, but you've essentially made a case for not listening to any scouting sources for anyone in either direction.

How so. If I’m acknowledging dude is type flight talent all around then wouldn’t I be agreeing with the scouting take?

My argument is if we isolate him on defense does he remain generational as of what we saw so far.

Are you going to say with a straight face you saw TH being generational on defense as a cover corner in college. Did he show you something on defense you haven’t seen in awhile from any CB in the last 10 years?

You also have your own opinion my dude.

I get your argument. I'm not knocking you for it, btw. I remember back when Andrew Wiggins was a generational "can't miss" prospect and I never saw it in his film and never bought the hype.

But you are disagreeing with the consensus, which is that he's special at each of these positions on their own, even if he didn't play both. I'm saying you're making an argument for throwing scouting in the trash because you said this:

I can’t put to much stock into anything pre draft as anyone saying any player is that good. Generational is thrown around loosely in all sports. He is a generational athlete for sure.that’s as far as I can go before he steps on a field.

I’m confident I can name a few CBs that were said to be the next Woodson. Bailey etc and they never turned out to be as good as them.

Also Don’t forget these same draft pundits were saying Marvin Harrison Jr was a generational WR. And right now it’s looking suspect on those claims.

If you can't trust an evaluation before the player steps on the NFL field, then pre-draft scouting doesn't matter for you.

As far as my own opinion on Hunter, the best way I can put it is that he is more in the Richard Sherman mold than Revis. That being said, he would make 1 or 2 plays a game that would absolutely pop and I don't think anyone else in CFB could have made it.

Will Johnson is elite because he is bigger and thus can play man and press a little more effectively. Hunter probably has the higher ceiling because he is more fluid/explosive and can grow into his frame.

[TerrenceClarke]

I think the divide is what does special mean.

I don’t equate special as generational.

Sauce Gardner is a special CB. I don’t view him on same tier as Revis who is generational.

You can argue he was not even better than sauce in college.

Special to means elite not once in a generation level.


Yes TH is special but that’s where I stop till further notice

[GONYK]

I think the divide is what does special mean.

I don’t equate special as generational.

Sauce Gardner is a special CB. I don’t view him on same tier as Revis who is generational.

You argue he was not even better that sauce in college.

Special to means elite not once in a generation level.


Yes TH is special but that’s where I stop till further notice

That's fair. I'd settle for special at both positions though

[TerrenceClarke]

When I first posted I agreed with Mchsay take that he can be special at WR lol.

So yes we agree.

[TerrenceClarke]

Looks like SS still in play. Interesting to see how this goes.

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[mpharris36]

Looks like SS still in play. Interesting to see how this goes.

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SS is def still in play.

It really comes down to this.

Ward will be off the board.

So that means Carter or Hunter will be there at 3 along with SS most likely (unless the Browns go QB as well).

Then the decision for the regime is the grades on Hunter or Carter significantly higher than Sanders? Which I expect at least from reading and watching a bunch stuff. But then the next question what is the difference between the grades on say Sanders and a QB you can either trade back into the 1st round or a Day 2 type QB (like a Dart/Milroe ect).

If the gap between what people call "blue prospects" Hunter and Carter is significant and then the gap between the other QB's isn't then I think its a no brainer.

If the gap between Sanders and Dart/Milroe ect is very big then I do think you need to consider Sanders in that spot just because of the importance of the position.

I think the easier choice is to just get one of those two studs whoever drops in Hunter or Carter and then try to figure out the QB whether its trade back in our Day 2...but sometimes the easier choice isn't the best choice especially when the team doesn't have a long term solution at the QB position in the organization right now.

The other question is do you even want Schoen/Daboll picking the QB that high if they are likely to be fired anyway. Let them earn a year of proving they can build a decent roster and win some games with a vet and then you can talk about drafting the future of the franchise or more development route this year.

Lot of interesting sub plots here.

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Speaking of people you can't trust a word from pre-draft

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Hunter makes too much sense and fills a major need at 2 positions. Plus I do not trust Daboll with a rookie QB who doesn't have generational talent. And Daboll won't even be here next year so why waste a pick on a QB who isn't a can't miss top 5 prospect? Go BPA!

[mpharris36]

Hunter makes too much sense and fills a major need at 2 positions. Plus I do not trust Daboll with a rookie QB who doesn't have generational talent. And Daboll won't even be here next year so why waste a pick on a QB who isn't a can't miss top 5 prospect? Go BPA!

speaking of needing to fill two positions because of salary issues why wouldn't the Browns go for Hunter?

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Speaking of people you can't trust a word from pre-draft

this is true...

[TerrenceClarke]

Looks like SS still in play. Interesting to see how this goes.

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SS is def still in play.

It really comes down to this.

Ward will be off the board.

So that means Carter or Hunter will be there at 3 along with SS most likely (unless the Browns go QB as well).

Then the decision for the regime is the grades on Hunter or Carter significantly higher than Sanders? Which I expect at least from reading and watching a bunch stuff. But then the next question what is the difference between the grades on say Sanders and a QB you can either trade back into the 1st round or a Day 2 type QB (like a Dart/Milroe ect).

If the gap between what people call "blue prospects" Hunter and Carter is significant and then the gap between the other QB's isn't then I think its a no brainer.

If the gap between Sanders and Dart/Milroe ect is very big then I do think you need to consider Sanders in that spot just because of the importance of the position.

I think the easier choice is to just get one of those two studs whoever drops in Hunter or Carter and then try to figure out the QB whether its trade back in our Day 2...but sometimes the easier choice isn't the best choice especially when the team doesn't have a long term solution at the QB position in the organization right now.

The other question is do you even want Schoen/Daboll picking the QB that high if they are likely to be fired anyway. Let them earn a year of proving they can build a decent roster and win some games with a vet and then you can talk about drafting the future of the franchise or more development route this year.

Lot of interesting sub plots here.

Yeah. It’s like a soap opera at the top of draft this year lol. Def. going to be interesting

[TerrenceClarke]

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The Giants would not be playing around if there was no interest. They could just pull back if that was truly the case.

All the QBs we signed means nothing. The only thing imo that stops SS from being a Giant is that he gets picked before us.