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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2541 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:00 pm

eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I actually this this understates our offense and overstates our defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


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35-62*-48*

Those are the number of games that Suggs-Wagner-Banchero player in the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. are the team results for the season worse... of course. Can anyone guarantee that the team as a whole is worse... i doubt that.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2542 » by eyriq » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:02 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I actually this this understates our offense and overstates our defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


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35-62*-48*

Those are the number of games that Suggs-Wagner-Banchero player in the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. are the team results for the season worse... of course. Can anyone guarantee that the team as a whole is worse... i doubt that.
Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2543 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:22 pm

eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I actually this this understates our offense and overstates our defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


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35-62*-48*

Those are the number of games that Suggs-Wagner-Banchero player in the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. are the team results for the season worse... of course. Can anyone guarantee that the team as a whole is worse... i doubt that.
Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


This roster still needs a Suggs and Mo if we are going to be anything more then 1st round fodder. Heck even with them we might be only 2nd round fodder.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2544 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:23 pm

Different note.

There is potential for an alternate reality where we beat the Cavs last year. Lose in the 2nd round, the cavs have to blow parts of it up. And we never get injured.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2545 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Apr 4, 2025 6:22 pm

eyriq wrote:Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


If they were back, they would have Suggs and Moe. Team is still hobbled.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2546 » by eyriq » Fri Apr 4, 2025 6:55 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
eyriq wrote:Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


If they were back, they would have Suggs and Moe. Team is still hobbled.
Paolo and Franz leveled up
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2547 » by RookieStar » Fri Apr 4, 2025 9:07 pm

eyriq wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
eyriq wrote:Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


If they were back, they would have Suggs and Moe. Team is still hobbled.
Paolo and Franz leveled up


Not enough to compensate for what Suggs and Moe brings us.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2548 » by eyriq » Fri Apr 4, 2025 10:02 pm

RookieStar wrote:
eyriq wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
If they were back, they would have Suggs and Moe. Team is still hobbled.
Paolo and Franz leveled up


Not enough to compensate for what Suggs and Moe brings us.
Near enough
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2549 » by RookieStar » Fri Apr 4, 2025 10:32 pm

eyriq wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo and Franz leveled up


Not enough to compensate for what Suggs and Moe brings us.
Near enough

Production wise maaaaaayyybbbeeeee

Heart and dawg? Not even close
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2550 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 5:04 am

After PIstons win tonight, we are officially eliminated from direct playoffs
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2551 » by drsd » Sat Apr 5, 2025 6:38 am

pepe1991 wrote:After PIstons win tonight, we are officially eliminated from direct playoffs


Maths is weird: Orlando has two more wins than Atlanta, but the Hawks and not the Magic can catch the Bucks.

Anyhow: one more Atlanta loss or Milwaukee win and the play-ins is set; with only seedings to be decided.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2552 » by drsd » Sat Apr 5, 2025 6:45 am

pepe1991 wrote:After PIstons win tonight, we are officially eliminated from direct playoffs


I think the Magic's magic-number to avoid the 9-seed is 2. That is 2 Orlando wins or 2 Bulls/Heat losses and Orlando will be either the 7 or 8 avoiding be required to win two games to get the golden ticket to the playoffs.

Orlando is currently 2 1/2 games up on both.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2553 » by RichCollab » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:14 am

eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
eyriq wrote:ESPN PBPI

2024 Magic 0.9, off -2.1, def +3.0
2025 Magic -0.1, off -4.5, def +4.4

This says we are one point worse vs last season. I actually this this understates our offense and overstates our defense but the picture is a useful one. The current Magic aren't as good as last year's Magic but it's closer than we think.


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35-62*-48*

Those are the number of games that Suggs-Wagner-Banchero player in the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. are the team results for the season worse... of course. Can anyone guarantee that the team as a whole is worse... i doubt that.
Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


What a bunch of meaningless numbers. It shows we had major injuries for long duration to our top players.
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Post#2554 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:10 am

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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2555 » by yoyojw17 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 11:39 am

RichCollab wrote:
eyriq wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
75-72-80
35-62*-48*

Those are the number of games that Suggs-Wagner-Banchero player in the 2023-2024 and 2024-2025 seasons. are the team results for the season worse... of course. Can anyone guarantee that the team as a whole is worse... i doubt that.
Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


What a bunch of meaningless numbers. It shows we had major injuries for long duration to our top players.

The funny thing is.... We would play certain games.... And most people would be like ... "We better win this game because they are missing "X" player.... It would be inexcusable if we don't" lol

We lost Paolo.... Surprised that we went on a 4 or 5 game losing streak and we should do better. Lose mo....forgets that he is the offensive energy of the team... Expected to do better. Lose Franz.... Expected to do better than they did. Then we lose Suggs.... the leader of our defensive energy. Our top 3 players have only played a whopping 96 minutes together. That should tell a lot.

Paolo and Franz comes back from injury ... Expectations go through the roof without a chance for a transition period for them both... And people questioned whether we should be trading them

Haha.... I get the frustration.... But if we make it to .500 by the end of the season ... I would be disappointed in the position .... But proud of what the team has achieved given the circumstances.

The reason why people are so frustrated is because they can see little improvements that can make things better. Even if it was just a personal improvement of individuals. 3 point shooting (which admittingly has gotten better as of late from those we wished would have shot like this earlier ABs consistency. Isaacs offense. Wendells Aggression.

Those are all things that the FO will have to weigh. But I don't know what all is by design. "Let's see how good Franz and Paolo can be if they force the issue on the offensive end" ... Shoot ... I don't know if that's part of the evaluation.

But for me... Two players that can draw so much attention (double and triple teams)when they have the ball at such high usages.... The second they become better decision makers ... This team could look a loooot different. The supporting cast should feel as though they are a part of the offense and not just a "well I couldn't do anything ... Here's the ball dell/KCP/etc. you do something". If it's not an evaluation period.... And these are the simple sets that are being called by the offense.... Some offensive coaching will need some revamping.... As even with this team makeup I can see better team play making us a 4-6 seed even without suggs and Wagner. I've been praying for it down the stretch and we've seen flashes in a few game. Hope that can get us into the playin and a shot at the first round.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2556 » by pepe1991 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 6:41 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
eyriq wrote:Yeah, injuries wrecked the season. We are back, though.


What a bunch of meaningless numbers. It shows we had major injuries for long duration to our top players.

The funny thing is.... We would play certain games.... And most people would be like ... "We better win this game because they are missing "X" player.... It would be inexcusable if we don't" lol

We lost Paolo.... Surprised that we went on a 4 or 5 game losing streak and we should do better. Lose mo....forgets that he is the offensive energy of the team... Expected to do better. Lose Franz.... Expected to do better than they did. Then we lose Suggs.... the leader of our defensive energy. Our top 3 players have only played a whopping 96 minutes together. That should tell a lot.

Paolo and Franz comes back from injury ... Expectations go through the roof without a chance for a transition period for them both... And people questioned whether we should be trading them

Haha.... I get the frustration.... But if we make it to .500 by the end of the season ... I would be disappointed in the position .... But proud of what the team has achieved given the circumstances.

The reason why people are so frustrated is because they can see little improvements that can make things better. Even if it was just a personal improvement of individuals. 3 point shooting (which admittingly has gotten better as of late from those we wished would have shot like this earlier ABs consistency. Isaacs offense. Wendells Aggression.

Those are all things that the FO will have to weigh. But I don't know what all is by design. "Let's see how good Franz and Paolo can be if they force the issue on the offensive end" ... Shoot ... I don't know if that's part of the evaluation.

But for me... Two players that can draw so much attention (double and triple teams)when they have the ball at such high usages.... The second they become better decision makers ... This team could look a loooot different. The supporting cast should feel as though they are a part of the offense and not just a "well I couldn't do anything ... Here's the ball dell/KCP/etc. you do something". If it's not an evaluation period.... And these are the simple sets that are being called by the offense.... Some offensive coaching will need some revamping.... As even with this team makeup I can see better team play making us a 4-6 seed even without suggs and Wagner. I've been praying for it down the stretch and we've seen flashes in a few game. Hope that can get us into the playin and a shot at the first round.


Few problems:
1) Played better without Banchero. Lot better actually
2) Mortiz Wagner isn't prime Al Horford, you just lost guy who can put ball through hoop, and can't defend to save his life. Guy is bench role player.
3) After all you wrote, reality is- you only are one starter and one bench player short from fully healthy roster and you still don't play that well
4) 2024-25 in terms of "normal" injuries in nba is way close than 2023-24, when 8 different players played at least 62 games.
5) we sucked vs great teams ( + .500 teams) last year, and that didn't change this year
6) our offense sucked last year, instead of fixing it, we doubled down on defensive role players ,and that's how we spent whole salary cap. One that we had plenty. But not any more
7) Mortiz Wagner and Jalen Suggs got hurt BEFORE trade deadline. There was more than enough time to fix some of the issues. But... nop.

Weltmant thrown season away at deadline when he did nothing. That's great message to send in lockerroom "oh well, one starter got hurt, better try next year(s)" .
Because there is serious probability of both Suggs and Mortiz ( 100% will ) missing portion of next year, we better do nothing because "Injury" next year, right? After all, you only have 18 men on the roster, you can't deal with injuries of two :crazy:

Assuming they will play last 4 games, this is actual games played count for key rotation players.
KCP -78
Franz -62
Carter -69
Banchero -48
Goga -71
Da Silva -75
Isaac -72
Cole -67
Black -78

Mortiz- 30
Suggs 35

It is very clear that this team, overall, wasn't as hurt as you try to make it be. Like, Warriors had more injuries than us. They won't have single starter with 70 games played total. Matter of fact, on entire team they will have 2 players to play at least 70 games.
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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic General Season Thread I 

Post#2557 » by yoyojw17 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:21 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
What a bunch of meaningless numbers. It shows we had major injuries for long duration to our top players.

The funny thing is.... We would play certain games.... And most people would be like ... "We better win this game because they are missing "X" player.... It would be inexcusable if we don't" lol

We lost Paolo.... Surprised that we went on a 4 or 5 game losing streak and we should do better. Lose mo....forgets that he is the offensive energy of the team... Expected to do better. Lose Franz.... Expected to do better than they did. Then we lose Suggs.... the leader of our defensive energy. Our top 3 players have only played a whopping 96 minutes together. That should tell a lot.

Paolo and Franz comes back from injury ... Expectations go through the roof without a chance for a transition period for them both... And people questioned whether we should be trading them

Haha.... I get the frustration.... But if we make it to .500 by the end of the season ... I would be disappointed in the position .... But proud of what the team has achieved given the circumstances.

The reason why people are so frustrated is because they can see little improvements that can make things better. Even if it was just a personal improvement of individuals. 3 point shooting (which admittingly has gotten better as of late from those we wished would have shot like this earlier ABs consistency. Isaacs offense. Wendells Aggression.

Those are all things that the FO will have to weigh. But I don't know what all is by design. "Let's see how good Franz and Paolo can be if they force the issue on the offensive end" ... Shoot ... I don't know if that's part of the evaluation.

But for me... Two players that can draw so much attention (double and triple teams)when they have the ball at such high usages.... The second they become better decision makers ... This team could look a loooot different. The supporting cast should feel as though they are a part of the offense and not just a "well I couldn't do anything ... Here's the ball dell/KCP/etc. you do something". If it's not an evaluation period.... And these are the simple sets that are being called by the offense.... Some offensive coaching will need some revamping.... As even with this team makeup I can see better team play making us a 4-6 seed even without suggs and Wagner. I've been praying for it down the stretch and we've seen flashes in a few game. Hope that can get us into the playin and a shot at the first round.


Few problems:
1) Played better without Banchero. Lot better actually
2) Mortiz Wagner isn't prime Al Horford, you just lost guy who can put ball through hoop, and can't defend to save his life. Guy is bench role player.
3) After all you wrote, reality is- you only are one starter and one bench player short from fully healthy roster and you still don't play that well
4) 2024-25 in terms of "normal" injuries in nba is way close than 2023-24, when 8 different players played at least 62 games.
5) we sucked vs great teams ( + .500 teams) last year, and that didn't change this year
6) our offense sucked last year, instead of fixing it, we doubled down on defensive role players ,and that's how we spent whole salary cap. One that we had plenty. But not any more
7) Mortiz Wagner and Jalen Suggs got hurt BEFORE trade deadline. There was more than enough time to fix some of the issues. But... nop.

Weltmant thrown season away at deadline when he did nothing. That's great message to send in lockerroom "oh well, one starter got hurt, better try next year(s)" .
Because there is serious probability of both Suggs and Mortiz ( 100% will ) missing portion of next year, we better do nothing because "Injury" next year, right? After all, you only have 18 men on the roster, you can't deal with injuries of two :crazy:

Assuming they will play last 4 games, this is actual games played count for key rotation players.
KCP -78
Franz -62
Carter -69
Banchero -48
Goga -71
Da Silva -75
Isaac -72
Cole -67
Black -78

Mortiz- 30
Suggs 35

It is very clear that this team, overall, wasn't as hurt as you try to make it be. Like, Warriors had more injuries than us. They won't have single starter with 70 games played total. Matter of fact, on entire team they will have 2 players to play at least 70 games.

You try to make everything so cut and and dry.... Comparing us to everyone else..... But every player INCLUDING. Our no. 1 and no. 2 were still supposed to be figuring out themselves. Though this was a year that we expected to win more and more..... This was and still is a developmental year for many of our players. And injuries derailed a lot of that. And no.... I'm not saying this team does not need improvement but damn .... I don't know how anyone can turn a blind eye at the injuries and act as though it was not a hindrance. No one is saying this team is perfect ... But geez ...give the team some grace and factor in something that is obvious to why goals weren't met. I'm sure some of these guys are more disappointed than most on here.
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Post#2558 » by eyriq » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:05 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Few problems:
1) Played better without Banchero. Lot better actually
2) Mortiz Wagner isn't prime Al Horford, you just lost guy who can put ball through hoop, and can't defend to save his life. Guy is bench role player.
3) After all you wrote, reality is- you only are one starter and one bench player short from fully healthy roster and you still don't play that well
4) 2024-25 in terms of "normal" injuries in nba is way close than 2023-24, when 8 different players played at least 62 games.
5) we sucked vs great teams ( + .500 teams) last year, and that didn't change this year
6) our offense sucked last year, instead of fixing it, we doubled down on defensive role players ,and that's how we spent whole salary cap. One that we had plenty. But not any more
7) Mortiz Wagner and Jalen Suggs got hurt BEFORE trade deadline. There was more than enough time to fix some of the issues. But... nop.

Weltmant thrown season away at deadline when he did nothing. That's great message to send in lockerroom "oh well, one starter got hurt, better try next year(s)" .
Because there is serious probability of both Suggs and Mortiz ( 100% will ) missing portion of next year, we better do nothing because "Injury" next year, right? After all, you only have 18 men on the roster, you can't deal with injuries of two :crazy:

Assuming they will play last 4 games, this is actual games played count for key rotation players.
KCP -78
Franz -62
Carter -69
Banchero -48
Goga -71
Da Silva -75
Isaac -72
Cole -67
Black -78

Mortiz- 30
Suggs 35

It is very clear that this team, overall, wasn't as hurt as you try to make it be. Like, Warriors had more injuries than us. They won't have single starter with 70 games played total. Matter of fact, on entire team they will have 2 players to play at least 70 games.


The idea that we played better without Banchero is surface-level—yeah, the ball moved more at times, but you're not going anywhere without a guy who draws doubles and creates offense. And let’s not ignore timing: losing Paolo and Franz during key stretches killed any rhythm, threw off rotations, and made it impossible to evaluate this team at full strength when it actually mattered. Add to that the injuries to Suggs and Moritz—our best perimeter defender and a key bench scorer—and it’s clear the narrative that this team was “healthy” just doesn’t hold up.
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