2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[SoFlaKingReal]

**** Morant....hes a season-long suspension waiting to happen.

[wadenation305]

Keep in mind that the Suns might be a little vexed from our unwillingness to do them the solid of eating Beal and giving them Butler. So they might be a little petty about us trying to get Durant.

I gave this some thought too but the Suns had to understand that this is a cap based league and it made zero sense for us to take on Beal. James Jones is also still team president. We tried to give them Butler but Durant was the only player that made sense. I put our offer out there in plain site to see and if you really look at it you can see how we really have as good a shot as anyone to get him considering the dynamics of having to match such a big contract without some team trying to give up half there squad and leaving the team depleted.

Let's hope people are sensible. James Jones could understand but Ishiba isn't too bright.

[VaDe255]

Spoiler:

Looking at what our potential offer for Durant would look like and how it could potentially stack against the asset filled Texas teams. Right off the bat need to match Durant’s 54.7 million and Suns can’t aggregate players

Rozier 26
Wiggins 28

For

Durant 54

These two contracts above are the easiest match near dollar for dollar. Have to get Wiggins off the books to compensate for Durant’s extension. Separate deal would have to be consummated in order to get Suns what could possibly be Jovic and JJJ.

Jovic 4.4
JJJ 3.8

for

Cody Martin 8.6

These two contracts equal 8.2 million. That gets them to Cody Martin’s expiring 8.6 million contract. Can possibly get some 2nd round picks in this separate deal as too not look too fishy with the league even though they will know we are loopholing the aggregate rules. Still nothing stoping us rule wise from making separate deal.

Now comes the pick compensation. Suns will want at very least the GSW pick this year and our 2030 pick will be of huge value to them since they flipped their pick with Utah to stock pile some earlier picks. Not sure if an extra pick in 2032 will need to be included.

Final sum parts of deal

Miami deals

Rozier
Wiggins
Jovic
JJJ
2025 GSW pick
2027 pick swap
2029 pick swap
2030 unprotected pick

to Suns for

Durant
Cody Martin
Future 2nd rd picks


Looking at it on paper it seems like a very competitive offer. On another end it looks like a bit of an overpay as well. Just wanted to put it out there.

Well balanced resulting squad with fire power, defense and depth IMO:

Larsson/Mitchell - Rookie G?
Herro - Duncan/Martin/Larsson
Durant - Highsmith/Duncan/Martin
Bam - Anderson/Durant
Ware - Bam

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What kind of contact do we think Davion realistically demands and are we willing to overpay?

Well we will give him a qualifying offer at 7.8 million and go from there. Let the market dictate his value in RFA. Probably going to be anywhere from 8-11 mil per a year. His agent will use TJ McConnell and Gabe Vincent as a baseline for high end defensive backup PG’s making similar. This is why Duncan’s ETO 10 million in cap savings is so important. Gives us wiggle room to match this sort of deal for Mitchell and stay under the tax line.

[greg4012]

Spoiler:

Well balanced resulting squad with fire power, defense and depth IMO:

Larsson/Mitchell - Rookie G?
Herro - Duncan/Martin/Larsson
Durant - Highsmith/Duncan/Martin
Bam - Anderson/Durant
Ware - Bam

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grab a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap, clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

Kevin Durant has a career average of 27 ppg (6th highest in NBA history; 4th highest in points per 100 possessions). Kevin Durant averages 29 ppg in the playoffs (4th highest in NBA history). This season Kevin Durant averaged 26.6 ppg on better efficiency than his career averages. In last season's playoffs he averaged 27 ppg on the second highest efg% of any playoff appearance in his career.

This is not Jimmy Butler. This is not a random all-star. This is the exception. It's not the only viable path, but it absolutely should be considered a viable path.

I'm one of the main advocates for not paying players max money through their age 37 season and beyond because the numbers show that they don't return value with the only exceptions being the best scorers the game has ever seen that are also top 10 players of all time. That's exactly what Kevin Durant is.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Spoiler:

Well balanced resulting squad with fire power, defense and depth IMO:

Larsson/Mitchell - Rookie G?
Herro - Duncan/Martin/Larsson
Durant - Highsmith/Duncan/Martin
Bam - Anderson/Durant
Ware - Bam

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

Missing the 10 million in ETO cap savings from Duncan’s contract. Also another 2 million coming off from Burks. 7.8 million of Mitchell’s salary already accounted for in current cap and with the slight increase we should be able to handle the small raise for Mitchell and sign our draft picks. Also add some minimum contracts.

[Voltron914]

What kind of contact do we think Davion realistically demands and are we willing to overpay?

This is a hell of a question.

I have no prediction, but like you i am extremely invested in the eventual answer to this.

Mitchell was a hell of a pick up. Dude does the dirty work, and is putting his body on the line 24/7.

It feels like the dude is going at playoff intensity game in and game out.


He is probably worth a tad more then one might think, just for how he can help hide Tyler or maybe some other future offensive specialist.

his work ethic and personality is perfect for this team whether starting or off the bench. some off season work and chemistry with our guys can also boost his assists cause he gets a decent amount. he really doesnt have weaknesses out there and more room to improve

[wade44]

[tweet][/tweet]

Spoiler:

Well balanced resulting squad with fire power, defense and depth IMO:

Larsson/Mitchell - Rookie G?
Herro - Duncan/Martin/Larsson
Durant - Highsmith/Duncan/Martin
Bam - Anderson/Durant
Ware - Bam

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

It’s comical. For one, KD is old and 6 years removed from an Achilles tear. Two, his price is going to be substantial in any trade. Not to mention he will require top dollar with him going to free agency after next season going into his age 38 season. When is the last time he’s won a playoff series? I know Bam fans are getting antsy wanting to see the team make any kind of move for a star but unless we can get him for pennies of what the suns are going to ask, it’s an easy no go

[MettaWorldPanda]

[tweet][/tweet]

Spoiler:

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

It’s comical. For one, KD is old and 6 years removed from an Achilles tear. Two, his price is going to be substantial in any trade plus will require paying him top dollar with him going to free agency after next season. When is the last time he’s won a playoff series? I know Bam fans are getting antsy wanting to see the team make any kind of move for a star but unless we can get him for pennies of what the suns are going to ask, it’s an easy no go

You add KD to this current group and it’s going to have a major impact on everyone and immensely boost everyone’s ceiling. I laid out our competetive offer. Give or take a few pieces we can easily get this done as long as the Suns don’t get greedy asking for Ware.

[wade44]

[tweet][/tweet]

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

It’s comical. For one, KD is old and 6 years removed from an Achilles tear. Two, his price is going to be substantial in any trade plus will require paying him top dollar with him going to free agency after next season. When is the last time he’s won a playoff series? I know Bam fans are getting antsy wanting to see the team make any kind of move for a star but unless we can get him for pennies of what the suns are going to ask, it’s an easy no go

You add KD to this current group and it’s going to have a major impact on everyone and immensely boost everyone’s ceiling. I laid out our competetive offer. Give or take a few pieces we can easily get this done as long as the Suns don’t get greedy asking for Ware.

Sorry but we get outbid like we always do. Suns committed all their resources to KD just to be on the outside looking in of the PLAY IN GAME and will be determined to recoup assets. If you’re the Heat you keep playing the patience game like they’ve been doing for the past however many years over coughing up more picks on something with a potentially VERY short shelf life

[VaDe255]

Kevin Durant has a career average of 27 ppg (6th highest in NBA history; 4th highest in points per 100 possessions). Kevin Durant averages 29 ppg in the playoffs (4th highest in NBA history). This season Kevin Durant averaged 26.6 ppg on better efficiency than his career averages. In last season's playoffs he averaged 27 ppg on the second highest efg% of any playoff appearance in his career.

This is not Jimmy Butler. This is not a random all-star. This is the exception. It's not the only viable path, but it absolutely should be considered a viable path.

I'm one of the main advocates for not paying players max money through their age 37 season and beyond because the numbers show that they don't return value with the only exceptions being the best scorers the game has ever seen that are also top 10 players of all time. That's exactly what Kevin Durant is.

From 2020 to 2023, Jimmy led two Finals runs and three ECF appearances, carrying undermanned squads while playing at an MVP level. That 2023 run as an 8-seed? He torched the Bucks, averaging 37.6 PPG on 67% TS. That’s elite two-way playoff impact—something KD hasn’t delivered since his Warriors days.

Since leaving Golden State, KD hasn’t made it past the second round and has dealt with injuries and underwhelming exits. Meanwhile, Jimmy’s been more durable, more clutch, and the driving force on both ends in deep playoff runs.

KD is the better scorer historically, but over the last five years, Jimmy has clearly had the stronger run and has simply been the better player.

That’s why I just don’t see them gambling on an aging Durant with major durability and postseason impact concerns, especially after moving on from a guy with fewer question marks.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We need to get Kevin Love’s bum ass 4 million expiring off this cap sheet. If he was making vet minimum with league taking care half of that contract like UD there would be no issues.

[dshearn]

As far as this KD thing....I don't want KD. We got a super limited amount of bullets, I would rather aim them at a bigger window than what I suspect KD would provide.

I could be way wrong on that...maybe KD last deep into his 40s...but it seems risky to me.


On the other hand... I think this team is more talented then most...if the team is not gutted to ADD KD to the players that are currently getting burn...I can't see how they are not a deep playoff team. I think they would be significantly superior the last Butler run.

I think KD would be a better fit than Jimmy. Dude is a 50% corner 3 guy on catch and shoots. He is 40-44% in Duncan's traditional dribble hand-off area. This is all on high volume. He simply going to have way more gravity than Jimmy ever did when he pulls guys out of the paint to make room for Bam/Ware/ Driving Herro.

Plus...We would not have to watch everyone stand around on the other side of the court to watch Jimmy dribble in a weak side iso. Old KD would be a better fit today then Jimmy is.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Spoiler:

The more I wrap my brain around it the more I can see Riley saying phuck it and just going after Durant and seeing where the small window takes this group. Sort of like a last hurrah for the old man. I do see us drafting a point/combo guard with our pick so this could be the direction we take. It also helps that Durant is open to coming here. I have also been studying the other suitors and it's just not easy to match 54 million and compensate with assets. We actually have the right contracts to accomplish this. I would say this will be one of the more intriguing summer story lines as a frame work was already probably put in place around the trade deadline. Houston has Van Vleet's contract to throw around but then again he's been a big part of there success so they could possibly end up extending him. Spurs have some contracts to toss around like Keldon Johnson but Vassell doesn't make much sense for the Suns. Considering what our pick situation is going to be like the next few years this is certainly a move that will at very least throw cold water on the 2026 OKC. The 2028 Hornets picks is where it will get a little muddy with a 39 year old Durant. Maybe he ages like Lebron and we get lucky.

The big issue with this trade is roster and cap flexibility. They’d have 11 guys under contract and already be right at the tax line—and that’s assuming they’re paying Davion something like $40M over 4 years. That alone likely pushes them into the first apron just to sign 3 more players to hit the minimum, and then they’re staring down the repeater tax again. Sure, maybe they could waive Duncan and fill it out with minimums, but that’s still a tight squeeze.

But even beyond that, I just don’t see the logic. KD is going to be 37! and probably wants an extension. They finally got off the Jimmy deal just to turn around and overpay another aging star? Really?

When was the last time a team pulled off a trade like this for a 35+ year old and it actually worked out? Not even the Suns themselves got the return they expected with KD. These kinds of moves almost never end the way teams hope. More often than not, you’re left over the cap, short on picks, and watching a star decline on your books.

Best-case scenario here is hope this group misses the playoffs, grabs a piece or two in a loaded draft, and just be patient. Give Bam and Tyler another year to take a leap (we know they aren't blowing it up which is a valid alternative), clean up the books, and wait for the next actual difference-maker to shake loose, someone younger who fits the timeline. No need to keep chasing these “one last run” pipe dreams if the window’s already closing.

It’s comical. For one, KD is old and 6 years removed from an Achilles tear. Two, his price is going to be substantial in any trade. Not to mention he will require top dollar with him going to free agency after next season going into his age 38 season. When is the last time he’s won a playoff series? I know Bam fans are getting antsy wanting to see the team make any kind of move for a star but unless we can get him for pennies of what the suns are going to ask, it’s an easy no go

You all have to stop with dumbass comments like this, “I know the Bam fans are getting antsy to win”. EVERY Heat fan should be antsy to win, you have the best defender in the world entering his prime who and been a major catalyst in several deep playoff runs. He’s a guy who can damn near completely eliminate the opposing teams best player and then you have KD and hopefully good Herro in the playoffs torching them on offense while Bam is filling in his 16-22 a night as well.

You saw it with a lesser player than KD in Jimmy.

If KD comes to Miami I can promise you that’s not the finalized roster. We will make additional trades/signings within the first year of him getting here that will make a big impact.

And quite frankly the age stuff is completely irrelevant until we start to see a noticeable decline and 27-6-4-1-1 on 64TS% while being the most impactful defender on his team is not quite the type of decline you want to base your argument on.

That is a level of offense no one on this roster (or Jimmy) has ever achieved. Thats peak Wade/Lebron levels of scoring. This is a top 5 scorer ever.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Being outbid is irrelevant, KD is going wherever he wants to go.

[wade44]

If we get kd AND another star maybe, that’s not happening though. Tanking is the future for this team whether it be a few years from now or 5+ years down the line

[MettaWorldPanda]

Being outbid is irrelevant, KD is going wherever he wants to go.

The teams listed recently are the teams he wants to go too so that’s our competition to be outbid. I still think our offer will be one of the better ones and can keep it simple with the matching contracts.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Being outbid is irrelevant, KD is going wherever he wants to go.

The teams listed recently are the teams he wants to go too so that’s our competition to be outbid. I still think our offer will be one of the better ones and can keep it simple with the matching contracts.

IF that’s 100% accurate AND KD doesn’t change his mind between now and then each team can put up a solid offer but who’s willing to budge the most? He and Udoka are close but will he want to go there with all the young guys, especially if they underperform in the playoffs? It’s rumored that Houston just wants to ride it out and keep building as opposed to sending assets. What’s up with Wemby? Can GS even make anything work? Can Minny (I haven’t looked but I read it would be very tough)? How desperate is Patrick to get back to competing post Jimmy considering how much pride he has? Relationship wise does he have better relations with those others teams than he has with Bam and Spo?

I know we all like to talk about it and be just about as simplified as possible but there’s so much that goes into it.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Being outbid is irrelevant, KD is going wherever he wants to go.

The teams listed recently are the teams he wants to go too so that’s our competition to be outbid. I still think our offer will be one of the better ones and can keep it simple with the matching contracts.

IF that’s 100% accurate AND KD doesn’t change his mind between now and then each team can put up a solid offer but who’s willing to budge the most? He and Udoka are close but will he want to go there with all the young guys, especially if they underperform in the playoffs? It’s rumored that Houston just wants to ride it out and keep building as opposed to sending assets. What’s up with Wemby? Can GS even make anything work? Can Minny (I haven’t looked but I read it would be very tough)? How desperate is Patrick to get back to competing post Jimmy considering how much pride he has? Relationship wise does he have better relations with those others teams than he has with Bam and Spo?

I know we all like to talk about it and be just about as simplified as possible but there’s so much that goes into it.

Been looking into all those teams. We have a great chance

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we get kd AND another star maybe, that’s not happening though. Tanking is the future for this team whether it be a few years from now or 5+ years down the line

Hate to break it to you but short of a Bam trade request that’s simply not happening. This team is in the middle of a lost season with little to nothing to play for any more besides making the first round and maybe stealing a game or 2 from the Celtics or Cavs and despite that they rolled off a long win streak when they realistically could have got the 8th pick worst case (with a 26% chance at top 4, 6% chance at 1st). They are not going to tank and Pat is not going to sit back and watch Jimmy love life on Golden State while we struggle, he simply won’t do it