Who would win MVP? Hypothetical

[trelos6]

We have 5 players:

Player A:

PG
Team wins a league leading 67 games. Up 10 from last season.
34.6 ppg, 6.7 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.8 spg, 1.1 bpg
+6.3 rTS%
9.3 FTA, 90% FT

Player B

SG
Team wins 57 games. Won MVP last season, though the team dropped 10 wins.
32.3 ppg, 5.4 apg, 6.6 rpg, 2.8 spg, 0.8 bpg
+2.8 rTS%
7.2 FTA, 84% FT

Player C

PF
Team wins 62 games. They won 53 last season, but player C was traded and improved the team by 9 wins. Former team dropped 9 wins.
24.5 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.9 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.9 bpg
+6 rTS%
7.4 FTA, 77% FT

Player D

C
Team wins 50 games. 7 fewer than last season. Former MVP and champion.
29.2 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 10.1 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.7 bpg
+8.6 rTS%
6.5 FTA, 80% FT

Player E

C
Team wins 55 games. Up 13 wins on last season.
25.2 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 4.1 bpg
+4.1 rTS%
6.7 FTA, 78% FT
Strong favourite for the DPOY

There they are, the candidates. Who is your MVP?

[penbeast0]

Games played? Defensive rep for players other than E? Turnovers? Attitude? Impact stats?

All else being roughly equal and with only the data shown, leaning player A with E as his main competitor.

[trelos6]

Player A - 78 games, great guard defender
Player B - 78 games, great guard defender
Player C - 76 games, not that great of a defender, but gets rebounds.
Player D - 70 games, below average reputation for his position
Player E - 82 games, all time generational defender as his reputation

Impact stats on offense

D, A, C, B, E

Impact stats on defense

E >> B, C, A, D

[OldSchoolNoBull]

These are real players, no?

I think I know who and what seasons they all are, but I don't want to ruin the game.

[jalengreen]

Hard to do this via numbers alone but super efficient 35 PPG on a 67 win team is a safe bet, give me A

[trelos6]

Hard to do this via numbers alone but super efficient 35 PPG on a 67 win team is a safe bet, give me A

What more information would be helpful?

[jalengreen]

Hard to do this via numbers alone but super efficient 35 PPG on a 67 win team is a safe bet, give me A

What more information would be helpful?

Main thing missing for me is strength of supporting cast. But can't really boil that down to a number. I suppose you could argue wins are a decent proxy but still. Also just watching the players play is naturally going to give you more information, especially with defense. But I think you just about saturated what information could realistically be given so it's a fine exercise for what it is.

[trelos6]

Hard to do this via numbers alone but super efficient 35 PPG on a 67 win team is a safe bet, give me A

What more information would be helpful?

Main thing missing for me is strength of supporting cast. But can't really boil that down to a number. I suppose you could argue wins are a decent proxy but still. Also just watching the players play is naturally going to give you more information, especially with defense. But I think you just about saturated what information could realistically be given so it's a fine exercise for what it is.

Player A - one all star team mate
Player B - one 3rd team all nba team mate
Player C - one all star team mate, another all nba 3rd team year prior
Player D - no all star team mates
Player E - one teammate made all star game year prior

[f4p]

Even though I would probably have voted differently for MVP if I had a vote from the start of NBA history, I tend to side with the traditions we have as everyone's legacies are built on those sometimes misguided but mostly right traditions. As such, Player A since that's basically Shai and he should win this year.

[penbeast0]

With that extra information, it's even more clearly A and E from the numbers given, with a slight edge to A for that win total with one all-star teammate.

[Jaivl]

Both 2025 and

Spoiler:

1993

MVP races sure were interesting

From the information given, I'd go Sh... I mean, A.

[jalengreen]

It’s buffed Shai, he got +2 PPG added

[LukaTheGOAT]

To me, Player D has the nicest box-score stats, but as already pointed out, what's the defense like for both.

Box-score stats also miss how certain styles on offense can be very advantageous but don't necessarily show-up in box-score production. Curry is a great example of this.

Assuming defensive ability and style between everyone here is equal, then I would have Player D #1, and Player A #2. Player D has the nicest box-score stats to me.

That doesn't mean he would win MVP or should.

An example:

I would say by the basic box without using any box-score metrics or all-in-ones, Lebron could be argued for MVP as early as 05. Don't think he really had RS MVP impact until 06. By the basic box, he looks like the guy in 07 and 08, even though, because of PPG, RPG, APG split, but I would pick different people those years.

There isn't an MVP I would definitively award him until 09.

[trelos6]

Both 2025 and

Spoiler:

1993

MVP races sure were interesting

From the information given, I'd go Sh... I mean, A.

So part of me wanted to check the narrative of team wins = MVP, as Player C won MVP, so should Player A.

But another part wanted to see if Player E’s peak was surpassed by player D’s peak. They’re vastly different centers, but will likely end up near each other on all time lists.

[TroubleS0me]

A.

[trelos6]

Player reveals:

Spoiler:

All players were using per 75 numbers. Added a few extra games / wins for Jokic / SGA as there were still 5 games left when I originally posted.

Player A: SGA 2024-25
Player B: MJ 1992-93
Player C: Barkley 1992-93 (won MVP)
Player D: Nikola Jokic 2024-25
Player E: Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-93