PG: Knicks/Hawks

[Knick4Real]

KNICKS RECORD: 49-28









I LOVE IT!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Fact remains Thibs still sucks

[Parraknick]

Brunson has to integrate into what we've been trying to do and save iso-ball for the last possession or two. Keep feeding OG, KAT and Mikal. Keep the defensive intensity high. Don't ever play drop coverage again.

Absolutely. Let’s hope that’s what transpires.

Meanwhile, Delon looks like he belongs

Clamped Trae.

Yep his length consistently surprises people. Our next Frank

[K_ick_God]

Thibs is obviously a good coach. The team is not perfect. His offense is sort of not innovative enough but maybe that wouldn't even matter, who knows. The main problem is the team would need to surprise in an upset, or do something new for the first time in the playoffs, and with him, that just doesn't feel likely.

Even with JVG, Camby (sort of accidentally) suddenly had a bigger role in the playoffs and peaked at just the right time. I think JVG got lucky there, but could happen with Thibs too I suppose.

But he doesn't leave any tricks in the bag and generally doesn't seem to even like the idea of a trick or holding anything in reserve. So to see the team suddenly surprise the opponent in the playoffs just doesn't seem likely at all - and for the team to win big, that's what would need to happen.

I think he organizes the team and knows what he's doing. But he's not interested in finesse, rest, letting things breathe some or even some artifice. He just coaches well and that's that.

And let's be real - even the freedom-loving coaches are no sure bet. I don't even know that an MB would be better with freedom. He might be worse, as his reactions are a little suspect. Same with KAT.

A guy like Donte was good for Thibs because he plays a certain way that has some built-in recklessness. It opened up the offense some and gave it a natural flow. Brunson the same.

[MrDollarBills]

Wright needs to stay in the rotation somehow.

[Capn'O]

Phoenix isn't very good, but it could go either way.

They’re pretty much mailing it in and tanking and KD is cooked and done

The funniest thing is they're not tanking, they're just awful. The Rockets get their pick this year too.

Oh yeah, their picks are compromised for awhile. Brutal.

[ctorres]

Knicks have been playing .600 ball the last 15 games without Brunson (9-6)

That's a 49-50 win season pace

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-players-stats-last-15-games

KAT, OG, and Mikal with massive numbers during the stretch

Josh doing his best impression of Draymond and Rondo

KAT is a bit unselfish IMO, but it has been great for the team. If he is shooting 46% from three on less than 5 attempts a game, why don't they let him just shoot 10 of them a game? He probably would not shoot any worse than 40%

We have the personnel to shoot more threes. I don't know how we beat the Celtics without keeping up with the three ball

[Parraknick]

Thibs is obviously a good coach. The team is not perfect. His offense is sort of not innovative enough but maybe that wouldn't even matter, who knows. The main problem is the team would need to surprise in an upset, or do something new for the first time in the playoffs, and with him, that just doesn't feel likely.

Even with JVG, Camby (sort of accidentally) suddenly had a bigger role in the playoffs and peaked at just the right time. I think JVG got lucky there, but could happen with Thibs too I suppose.

But he doesn't leave any tricks in the bag and generally doesn't seem to even like the idea of a trick or holding anything in reserve. So to see the team suddenly surprise the opponent in the playoffs just doesn't seem likely at all - and for the team to win big, that's what would need to happen.

I think he organizes the team and knows what he's doing. But he's not interested in finesse, rest, letting things breathe some or even some artifice. He just coaches well and that's that.

And let's be real - even the freedom-loving coaches are no sure bet. I don't even know that an MB would be better with freedom. He might be worse, as his reactions are a little suspect. Same with KAT.

A guy like Donte was good for Thibs because he plays a certain way that has some built-in recklessness. It opened up the offense some and gave it a natural flow. Brunson the same.

Good post.

What is interesting to me is how much the team has changed since last year in terms of ball movement. They mentioned that stat in the broadcast about how many times we hit 30 assists this year versus last (30 vs 10?)

But it’s so annoying that it took Jalen’s injury to give OG, Mikal this opportunity. Things get forced upon Thibs and some good comes from that rather than him proactively making them happen.

[Besart19]

Towns / Robinson / Achiuwa / Anunoby
Anunoby / Hart / Towns / PJ Tucker
Bridges / Shamet / Anunoby / Dadiet
McBride / Wright / Bridges / McCullar
Brunson / Payne / Kolek / Wright

We are near 2013 record and back then we played our best ball with 3 guard (2 PG) lineups with Kidd/Felton/Prigioni/Shump/JR Smith

Against Indiana, Boston and Magic we need Towns at 5… with Cavs, Bucks and Pistons we need Mitch at 5… with Miami and Hawks it doesnt matter, we just neet to move the ball and make them pay for having the worst defensive PG in the league

[Kampuchea]

Bad news - they play tomorrow.

Good news - A blowout win that will quiet down the Thibs talk, at least for this PG thread.

[Muskies97]

Sims for Wright trade didn't get the love it deserved at the time. Delon is such an impact player to me. Great size//defense and brings composure offensively

[Wildcat]

Bad news - they play tomorrow.

Good news - A blowout win that will quiet down the Thibs talk, at least for this PG thread.

We're usually quieter over the weekend.

[ctorres]

Towns / Robinson / Achiuwa
Anunoby / Hart / Towns
Bridges / Shamet / Anunoby
McBride / Wright / Bridges
Brunson / Payne / Kolek

I'm studying minutes distribution for the Knicks during the '99 and '00 runs where Thibs was an assistant, and other championship and contending teams from the last few years

Knicks in '99 and '00, the top 8 guys were

Charlie Ward / Chris Childs
Allan Houston
Latrell Sprewell
Larry Johnson / Kurt Thomas
Patrick Ewing / Marcus Camby

Ewing got hurt in '99, so Chris Dudley played a bunch as a result. Dudley barely played in '00 when Ewing was more available. Any other players that played weren't really relevant, they just played spot minutes. Knicks would start games with small ball, and then shift LJ over to the 3 to allow for both Camby and Thomas to get minutes.

On the Celtics squad last year, only 7 guys played all 19 playoff games. However, had Porzingis not gotten hurt, he would have played all 19 games as well.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2024.html

G: Derrick White / Payton Pritchard
G: J'rue Holiday
F: Jaylen Brown / Sam Hauser
F: Jayson Tatum
C: Kristaps Porzingis / Al Horford

So what does this mean for us?

It means that 99% of our success will likely be determined by our top 8 players

Our top 5 are set in stone with Jalen, Josh, Mikal, OG, KAT

They have been very cautious with Mitch on not playing him both games of back to backs, but I think it's fair to say he is our 6th most important player right now

So who are 7th and 8th among Payne, McBride, Wright, Shamet, and Achiuwa?

I don't expect Achiuwa to get minutes in the playoffs unless there is an injury in the front court

[prophet_of_rage]

Thibs is obviously a good coach. The team is not perfect. His offense is sort of not innovative enough but maybe that wouldn't even matter, who knows. The main problem is the team would need to surprise in an upset, or do something new for the first time in the playoffs, and with him, that just doesn't feel likely.

Even with JVG, Camby (sort of accidentally) suddenly had a bigger role in the playoffs and peaked at just the right time. I think JVG got lucky there, but could happen with Thibs too I suppose.

But he doesn't leave any tricks in the bag and generally doesn't seem to even like the idea of a trick or holding anything in reserve. So to see the team suddenly surprise the opponent in the playoffs just doesn't seem likely at all - and for the team to win big, that's what would need to happen.

I think he organizes the team and knows what he's doing. But he's not interested in finesse, rest, letting things breathe some or even some artifice. He just coaches well and that's that.

And let's be real - even the freedom-loving coaches are no sure bet. I don't even know that an MB would be better with freedom. He might be worse, as his reactions are a little suspect. Same with KAT.

A guy like Donte was good for Thibs because he plays a certain way that has some built-in recklessness. It opened up the offense some and gave it a natural flow. Brunson the same.

Good post.

What is interesting to me is how much the team has changed since last year in terms of ball movement. They mentioned that stat in the broadcast about how many times we hit 30 assists this year versus last (30 vs 10?)

But it’s so annoying that it took Jalen’s injury to give OG, Mikal this opportunity. Things get forced upon Thibs and some good comes from that rather than him proactively making them happen.

There is only one ball. Four guys cant eat.

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[Parraknick]

Thibs is obviously a good coach. The team is not perfect. His offense is sort of not innovative enough but maybe that wouldn't even matter, who knows. The main problem is the team would need to surprise in an upset, or do something new for the first time in the playoffs, and with him, that just doesn't feel likely.

Even with JVG, Camby (sort of accidentally) suddenly had a bigger role in the playoffs and peaked at just the right time. I think JVG got lucky there, but could happen with Thibs too I suppose.

But he doesn't leave any tricks in the bag and generally doesn't seem to even like the idea of a trick or holding anything in reserve. So to see the team suddenly surprise the opponent in the playoffs just doesn't seem likely at all - and for the team to win big, that's what would need to happen.

I think he organizes the team and knows what he's doing. But he's not interested in finesse, rest, letting things breathe some or even some artifice. He just coaches well and that's that.

And let's be real - even the freedom-loving coaches are no sure bet. I don't even know that an MB would be better with freedom. He might be worse, as his reactions are a little suspect. Same with KAT.

A guy like Donte was good for Thibs because he plays a certain way that has some built-in recklessness. It opened up the offense some and gave it a natural flow. Brunson the same.

Good post.

What is interesting to me is how much the team has changed since last year in terms of ball movement. They mentioned that stat in the broadcast about how many times we hit 30 assists this year versus last (30 vs 10?)

But it’s so annoying that it took Jalen’s injury to give OG, Mikal this opportunity. Things get forced upon Thibs and some good comes from that rather than him proactively making them happen.

There is only one ball. Four guys cant eat.

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So what are you suggesting? OG & Mikal go back to their corners?

[prophet_of_rage]

Good post.

What is interesting to me is how much the team has changed since last year in terms of ball movement. They mentioned that stat in the broadcast about how many times we hit 30 assists this year versus last (30 vs 10?)

But it’s so annoying that it took Jalen’s injury to give OG, Mikal this opportunity. Things get forced upon Thibs and some good comes from that rather than him proactively making them happen.

There is only one ball. Four guys cant eat.

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So what are you suggesting? OG & Mikal go back to their corners?

One of them will have to if Jalen won't get off pf it.

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[Luv those Knicks]

They’re pretty much mailing it in and tanking and KD is cooked and done

The funniest thing is they're not tanking, they're just awful. The Rockets get their pick this year too.

Oh yeah, their picks are compromised for awhile. Brutal.

Kinda like the Hawks. LOL (I shouldn't laugh. We've been there) . . but it's a little bit funny.

[thebuzzardman]

There is only one ball. Four guys cant eat.

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So what are you suggesting? OG & Mikal go back to their corners?

One of them will have to if Jalen won't get off pf it.

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A lot of those 30 assist games happened while Brunson was playing.

People want to represent it like the Knicks never cracked 30 with Brunson in the lineup, then wracked up 15 straight 30+ assist games while Brunson was out.

Ball movement was better this year. Then it wasn't. Then it was.

[Parraknick]

So what are you suggesting? OG & Mikal go back to their corners?

One of them will have to if Jalen won't get off pf it.

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A lot of those 30 assist games happened while Brunson was playing.

People want to represent it like the Knicks never cracked 30 with Brunson in the lineup, then wracked up 15 straight 30+ assist games while Brunson was out.

Ball movement was better this year. Then it wasn't. Then it was.

You’re right of course. It’s been a funny season where we’ve had most of the ducks but rarely in a row.

Remember that early game vs Detroit? That was the one that got us started in the ball movement. Most of the games Crawford called were great haha.

If Brunson can move the ball quickly up court like Curry often does, I think we are much more dangerous

[thebuzzardman]

Thursday March 6th, Brunson's last game before being injured for 15 games

22 Thirty+ assist games out of 62 games before then. Roughly 35% of the time

15 games Brunson is injured
5 Thirty+ assist games....exactly 33% of the time.

Brunson's a ball stopper though.