PG Heat - Nice OT Win

[CharityStripe34]

Should have won in regulation. We will just quietly ignore the last 5 minutes of a great Giannis game. Big game from Porter and could've been better with a friendlier rim.

Doc benched Kuzma. Going to be doing that a few times in the playoffs I would imagine.

Kuzma and Prince, especially Kuzma, were garbage in regulation and we wouldn't have needed OT otherwise. The fact that Doc is starting both of them out of position next to Giannis makes me physically ill every night the Bucks play.

Prez,

I'm going to be away from the board for a few weeks or more. There's nothing to be done with the roster right now. but there is something that can be done on who sees the court.

Please repeat your post every game 3 or 4 times. Maybe someone on the Bucks will realize that Kuzma and Prince on the court, especially at the same time, is brutal. Thanks.

Doc has been way too slow all year to realize which lineups to maximize Giannis and refuses to let the shooters, y'know, shoot. Top three in 3pt efficiency ad what like 19th in attempts ?

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[ShootingtheJ]

Why don't I just go eat some hay, make things out of clay, lay by the bay? I just may! What'd ya say?

Hey, that would be a nay.

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He played better than Midds did... all i got

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No he hasn't. Kuzma is the most negative full time player in the league.

[ShootingtheJ]

We never know which PG it'll be, but 1 of the 2 shows out nightly.

[Packbuckman]

Liked that Doc at least went with the best 5 down the stretch and didn’t just defer to his starters/highest paid dudes. Hopefully a trend we’ll see in the playoffs.

Pat has looked good these past few games too. Perhaps the dude just needed a rest.

What’s our playoff rotation?
Giannis
Brook
Kuz
TP
Rollins
Green
Trent
KPJ
Pat?

You forgot Bobby, which shows how deep this team can be if healthy.

And Sims who I definitely would be using especially if we play the pacers.

[BUCKnation]

Shooters weren’t hitting at all last night. Giannis was sitting on 5 assists with like 3-4 min left and got the rest by just lobbing to brook. That action looked unstoppable and has been extremely effective.

Pat still seems like he’s playable in short bursts, especially in Giannis lineups. He’s just smart and does stuff no one else provides. Need more able body dudes like Ajax to watch his tape.

[Bernman]

Kuzma catch & shoot 3pt% by yr:
'23-24: 35.5
'22-23: 33.8
'21-22: 35.9
'20-21: 37.5
This Year: 30.5
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628398/shots-dash?Season=2020-21

Kuzma near hoop fg% by yr:

'23-24: 58.9
'22-23: 60
'21-22: 59.5
''20-21: 58.5
This Yr: 54.8
(all classified as high volume, & good until this season)
https://3stepsbasket.com/player/kyle-kuzma/shooting?season=nba25

People saying this is normal for him are objectively wrong. What sucks about this de-evolution is there's no place to put him ATM. Because you could have always put him in the dunker, & behind the 3 for catch and shoots outside maybe '22-23.

To say trade him in the offseason would be a Bucks' level of asset management. You'd take a big hit. The Wiz should have taken a small 1. Instead they got AJJ & a winner. We need him to at least return to these norms next season. Ideally this 1, or he's used in limited capacity off the bench.

[M-C-G]

Shooters weren’t hitting at all last night. Giannis was sitting on 5 assists with like 3-4 min left and got the rest by just lobbing to brook. That action looked unstoppable and has been extremely effective.

Pat still seems like he’s playable in short bursts, especially in Giannis lineups. He’s just smart and does stuff no one else provides. Need more able body dudes like Ajax to watch his tape.

So it should be pointed out that those lobs also represent actually using Lopez in the paint instead of camping out at the 4 point line. Which is long over due

[soxperry]

I think Kuzma developed some very bad habits in Washington and was bot ready to play for real. Hopefully hes back to normal for playoffs but i feel good about him for next year

[ShootingtheJ]

Liked that Doc at least went with the best 5 down the stretch and didn’t just defer to his starters/highest paid dudes. Hopefully a trend we’ll see in the playoffs.

Pat has looked good these past few games too. Perhaps the dude just needed a rest.

What’s our playoff rotation?
Giannis
Brook
Kuz
TP
Rollins
Green
Trent
KPJ
Pat?

You forgot Bobby, which shows how deep this team can be if healthy.

And Sims who I definitely would be using especially if we play the pacers.

Looks like we're 3 quality wings short of a viable playoff rotation.

[chonestown]

Should have won in regulation. We will just quietly ignore the last 5 minutes of a great Giannis game. Big game from Porter and could've been better with a friendlier rim.

Doc benched Kuzma. Going to be doing that a few times in the playoffs I would imagine.

Kuzma and Prince, especially Kuzma, were garbage in regulation and we wouldn't have needed OT otherwise. The fact that Doc is starting both of them out of position next to Giannis makes me physically ill every night the Bucks play.

Prez,

I'm going to be away from the board for a few weeks or more. There's nothing to be done with the roster right now. but there is something that can be done on who sees the court.

Please repeat your post every game 3 or 4 times. Maybe someone on the Bucks will realize that Kuzma and Prince on the court, especially at the same time, is brutal. Thanks.

1) Hope everything is good O.
2) Give me your log-in and password so I can post as yourself. I got some Dolph Schayes content that really wouldn't play under the Chonestown account.imo

[Wonka]

Hey, that would be a nay.

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He played better than Midds did... all i got

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No he hasn't. Kuzma is the most negative full time player in the league.

Some fans are going to continue to say he’s better than Khris regardless of objective reality. Tough to ignore, but better for your mental health in the long run

[tsamo]

He played better than Midds did... all i got

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No he hasn't. Kuzma is the most negative full time player in the league.

Some fans are going to continue to say he’s better than Khris regardless of objective reality. Tough to ignore, but better for your mental health in the long run

Is he better than a fully healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than a 70% healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than the current Khris? Barely... And I do mean barely.

In a perfect world, Khris would have come back at the level he was last year in the playoffs.
In reality he's looked like a shadow of his old self for months and his knees might be finally cooked.

Could he look somewhat close to his old self if we waited even more? Maybe another year?
Maybe. But we could not, as a team, take that chance with the unfortunate introduction of the second apron.
With Kuzma at least we have more versatility come the off-season.

And we have to also consider that probably no one bar the Wizards was willing to entertain getting Milldeton and his contract...
It is what it is.

[ShootingtheJ]

No he hasn't. Kuzma is the most negative full time player in the league.

Some fans are going to continue to say he’s better than Khris regardless of objective reality. Tough to ignore, but better for your mental health in the long run

Is he better than a fully healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than a 70% healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than the current Khris? Barely... And I do mean barely.

In a perfect world, Khris would have come back at the level he was last year in the playoffs.
In reality he's looked like a shadow of his old self for months and his knees might be finally cooked.

Could he look somewhat close to his old self if we waited even more? Maybe another year?
Maybe. But we could not, as a team, take that chance with the unfortunate introduction of the second apron.
With Kuzma at least we have more versatility come the off-season.

And we have to also consider that probably no one bar the Wizards was willing to entertain getting Milldeton and his contract...
It is what it is.

The Bucks could sign a dude out of the G League who'd be less harmful than Kuzma.

[aboveAverage]

Good solid win. With Bobby and Sims coming back soon, we have a chance to at least make it to the second round. Keep winning to close out the season and I hope we play the Pacers in the first round.

[Dick Tate]

I don’t get CBS so that was nice to watch last night.

[tsamo]

Some fans are going to continue to say he’s better than Khris regardless of objective reality. Tough to ignore, but better for your mental health in the long run

Is he better than a fully healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than a 70% healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than the current Khris? Barely... And I do mean barely.

In a perfect world, Khris would have come back at the level he was last year in the playoffs.
In reality he's looked like a shadow of his old self for months and his knees might be finally cooked.

Could he look somewhat close to his old self if we waited even more? Maybe another year?
Maybe. But we could not, as a team, take that chance with the unfortunate introduction of the second apron.
With Kuzma at least we have more versatility come the off-season.

And we have to also consider that probably no one bar the Wizards was willing to entertain getting Milldeton and his contract...
It is what it is.

The Bucks could sign a dude out of the G League who'd be less harmful than Kuzma.

No argument there.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Is he better than a fully healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than a 70% healthy Khris? Absolutely not.
Is he better than the current Khris? Barely... And I do mean barely.

In a perfect world, Khris would have come back at the level he was last year in the playoffs.
In reality he's looked like a shadow of his old self for months and his knees might be finally cooked.

Could he look somewhat close to his old self if we waited even more? Maybe another year?
Maybe. But we could not, as a team, take that chance with the unfortunate introduction of the second apron.
With Kuzma at least we have more versatility come the off-season.

And we have to also consider that probably no one bar the Wizards was willing to entertain getting Milldeton and his contract...
It is what it is.

The Bucks could sign a dude out of the G League who'd be less harmful than Kuzma.

No argument there.

great initial post.

we needed the salary slot. some guy out of the g league is still available. that point is a strawman. the salary slot and playable player wasnt available with midds anympre. he was just a dead trade slot but not a player

guys are making a case that doesnt exist against this trade. literally the only risk is whether ajj pans out. thats it.

and if we want some other ajj kind of guy upside wise out there....maybe a big instead of another jitterbug pg type.....moving kuzma again makes that more feasible than hanging onto khris did

with kuzma we got to take a swing on a guy we could actually watch play games. thats was a good investment for us whether it pans out or not compared to the alternative with khris.

but again....thats all dependent of course related to ajj becoming a thing. thats it. hes all we gave up to get this look and better tradeable asset in a salary slot we needed to keep largely intact

kuzma has been super meh but good post. i dont regret the trade.....yet. if that happens it wont be because of kuzma...it will be ajj

if ajj doesnt pan then the wiz didnt win it either. if they dont win how do we lose?

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks could sign a dude out of the G League who'd be less harmful than Kuzma.

No argument there.

great initial post.

we needed the salary slot. some guy out of the g league is still available. that point is a strawman. the salary slot and playable player wasnt available with midds anympre. he was just a dead trade slot but not a player

guys are making a case that doesnt exist against this trade. literally the only risk is whether ajj pans out. thats it.

and if we want some other ajj kind of guy upside wise out there....maybe a big instead of another jitterbug pg type.....moving kuzma again makes that more feasible than hanging onto khris did

with kuzma we got to take a swing on a guy we could actually watch play games. thats was a good investment for us whether it pans out or not compared to the alternative with khris.

but again....thats all dependent of course related to ajj becoming a thing. thats it. hes all we gave up to get this look and better tradeable asset in a salary slot we needed to keep largely intact

kuzma has been super meh but good post. i dont regret the trade.....yet. if that happens it wont be because of kuzma...it will be ajj

if ajj doesnt pan then the wiz didnt win it either. if they dont win how do we lose?

Kuzma is not movable. Show me a -1 VORP player with $40 million left on his contract that was moved for a positive value.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No argument there.

great initial post.

we needed the salary slot. some guy out of the g league is still available. that point is a strawman. the salary slot and playable player wasnt available with midds anympre. he was just a dead trade slot but not a player

guys are making a case that doesnt exist against this trade. literally the only risk is whether ajj pans out. thats it.

and if we want some other ajj kind of guy upside wise out there....maybe a big instead of another jitterbug pg type.....moving kuzma again makes that more feasible than hanging onto khris did

with kuzma we got to take a swing on a guy we could actually watch play games. thats was a good investment for us whether it pans out or not compared to the alternative with khris.

but again....thats all dependent of course related to ajj becoming a thing. thats it. hes all we gave up to get this look and better tradeable asset in a salary slot we needed to keep largely intact

kuzma has been super meh but good post. i dont regret the trade.....yet. if that happens it wont be because of kuzma...it will be ajj

if ajj doesnt pan then the wiz didnt win it either. if they dont win how do we lose?

Kuzma is not movable. Show me a -1 VORP player with $40 million left on his contract that was moved for a positive value.

if we go to a rebuild we could deal him for the same kind of package the wizards just did. why are you making this hard?

[ShootingtheJ]

great initial post.

we needed the salary slot. some guy out of the g league is still available. that point is a strawman. the salary slot and playable player wasnt available with midds anympre. he was just a dead trade slot but not a player

guys are making a case that doesnt exist against this trade. literally the only risk is whether ajj pans out. thats it.

and if we want some other ajj kind of guy upside wise out there....maybe a big instead of another jitterbug pg type.....moving kuzma again makes that more feasible than hanging onto khris did

with kuzma we got to take a swing on a guy we could actually watch play games. thats was a good investment for us whether it pans out or not compared to the alternative with khris.

but again....thats all dependent of course related to ajj becoming a thing. thats it. hes all we gave up to get this look and better tradeable asset in a salary slot we needed to keep largely intact

kuzma has been super meh but good post. i dont regret the trade.....yet. if that happens it wont be because of kuzma...it will be ajj

if ajj doesnt pan then the wiz didnt win it either. if they dont win how do we lose?

Kuzma is not movable. Show me a -1 VORP player with $40 million left on his contract that was moved for a positive value.

if we go to a rebuild we could deal him for the same kind of package the wizards just did. why are you making this hard?

Teams might have thought he just needed a change of scenery, but now the cat is out of the bag. He's just bad.

We're not going to a rebuild.