PG: fake contenders

[prophet_of_rage]

You can't play 5 out with Josh off the ball if he's not making threes. Good teams put their center on him. This is what an actual 5 out offense looks like -





They're starting their offense 30 feet from the basket, because every single player is behind the 3 point line and the opposing center cannot just leave KP.




This is how good teams treat Hart when he doesn't have the ball





Sengun is below the foul line, not even thinking about him.





Look at how far Mobley is off him, he's got both feet in the paint

If you replaced Hart with a good shooter, the floor balance shifts and guys can't have both feet in the paint if that shooter is in the corner. The Cavs have two bigs, which hurts us because we're small and ontop of that Hart isn't a good / willing shooter. Against other good teams, they continue to put their center on him, and the only way to combat that is have him on the ball a lot or pray that he's willing to take threes. In the playoffs last season he made them, at the start of this season he was making them, since the new year he's shooting 28% on threes.


If Hart doesn't make the three he's a liability against good teams when he's off ball, it's why he's second on the team in touches per game. He has to have the ball to be respected.

You don't. You have Hart as a cutter finisher. Start the action away from him. The centre is then a regular help defender. You drive and dish to a slashing Hart who finishes i the 60 per cents around the rim.

You.won't see anybody defemd the Knicks 5 out with Deuce like that. Who here hits 25 footers regularly.

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The opposing big is playing off him so much they may as well be in a zone, the Celtics defend him with their big, the Thunder as well, almost every game against good teams where we've been blitzkrieged involves Hart having a C on him and our offense grinding to a halt.

You shoukd ask yourself why they can play a centre on Hart and it will tell you.why he isnt the easy fix to the problem.

Portland played a centre on Hart and we killed them with midrangers and a game wonning three. They played a c on Hart all year.

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[Fury]

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[MrDollarBills]

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I like Cam but I still wanna see Wright get some burn.

[MrDollarBills]

Where the hell did you find this gif?? !!!

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks aren’t getting out of the first round

Cade turns the ball over almost 5 times a game.

We really don't have better players than Malik Beasley, Tobias Harris, Jalen Duren, Dennis Schroder, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Ausar Thompson?

They have been overachieving all season and then some

The players we have aren't that much better.

Thibs scheme will let them get comfortable shooting from 3 and Knicks will lose.

[thebuzzardman]

Where the hell did you find this gif?? !!!

It's a classic on here.

[Spree2Houston]

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[spree2kawhi]

We’re 0-8 against OKC, Cleveland and Boston. Those guys aren’t difference makers against the elite teams. They beat up on trash teams. What is your goal here? To win a championship or be a fake contender?

As always, that’s just the easy thing to say after a loss. Let me ask you: Which true difference maker could we have realistically added instead, where results would’ve certainly been better than Boston’s and Cleveland’s right away? What is your goal here? It’s safe to say your hero was even worse this year than he had been with us already (and that really says something given the pathetic effort and decision making he had displayed or the historically bad playoff resume to go with that), so keeping that bum around certainly wouldn’t have helped edge those teams. Assuming we still had them, what would you do specifically with those five picks that could move us past Cleveland or Boston right away? What is your goal here?

I say the front office absolutely seized and maximized our opportunity and we can still get to the top simply by staying on track. This team is now loaded with talent, and you have to be a real hater to disregard what Bridges and OG have shown or how Towns has outplayed his predecessor this year.
Meanwhile all you have in store is Giannis this, Durant that yada yada yada. That’s just bush league posting to me. Please stop crying after every loss, it’s annoying af. This is a process and we’re only in year one.

You before you typed all of that

You have no answers. Pathetic.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You don't. You have Hart as a cutter finisher. Start the action away from him. The centre is then a regular help defender. You drive and dish to a slashing Hart who finishes i the 60 per cents around the rim.

You.won't see anybody defemd the Knicks 5 out with Deuce like that. Who here hits 25 footers regularly.

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The opposing big is playing off him so much they may as well be in a zone, the Celtics defend him with their big, the Thunder as well, almost every game against good teams where we've been blitzkrieged involves Hart having a C on him and our offense grinding to a halt.

You shoukd ask yourself why they can play a centre on Hart and it will tell you.why he isnt the easy fix to the problem.

Portland played a centre on Hart and we killed them with midrangers and a game wonning three. They played a c on Hart all year.

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The Blazers have a rookie center and are a lottery team, who cares about beating them? You're not beating the Celtics, Cavs or Thunder with a mid-range jumpers, post ups and cuts centric offense. They will all help off Hart and make the middle a parking lot if he's not making the three.

If Hart were a 36-40% three point shooter nobody would defend him with their C, it's only viable because other teams are willing to play the odds that he cannot make enough catch and shoot threes to hurt them, which is why their C's can roam off him. Early in the season when he was taking and making threes we had a top 3 offense, even before Brunson got hurt our offense was in a death spiral, from the new year till Brunson got hurt we were 12th in ORTG in large part because his three fell off a cliff.

[Clyde_Style]

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I like Cam but I still wanna see Wright get some burn.

Fawk me. Play Wright/Kolek. Use Cam as the insurance option

[prophet_of_rage]

The opposing big is playing off him so much they may as well be in a zone, the Celtics defend him with their big, the Thunder as well, almost every game against good teams where we've been blitzkrieged involves Hart having a C on him and our offense grinding to a halt.

You shoukd ask yourself why they can play a centre on Hart and it will tell you.why he isnt the easy fix to the problem.

Portland played a centre on Hart and we killed them with midrangers and a game wonning three. They played a c on Hart all year.

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The Blazers have a rookie center and are a lottery team, who cares about beating them? You're not beating the Celtics, Cavs or Thunder with a mid-range jumpers, post ups and cuts centric offense. They will all help off Hart and make the middle a parking lot if he's not making the three.

If Hart were a 36-40% three point shooter nobody would defend him with their C, it's only viable because other teams are willing to play the odds that he cannot make enough catch and shoot threes to hurt them, which is why their C's can roam off him. Early in the season when he was taking and making threes we had a top 3 offense, even before Brunson got hurt our offense was in a death spiral, from the new year till Brunson got hurt we were 12th in ORTG in large part because his three fell off a cliff.

And when our offence was clicking the Cs smashed us and defended Hart with a center.

You haven't yet addressed why we can't punish the mismatch created somewhere else. Why are KAT and Brunson guardable.by wings? How can Jrue Holiday defend a KAT post up?

Why can't we drive and dish to Hart? Is it because we don't drive well?

Boston is much better than us. No lineup change is beating that or even making it closer.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

You shoukd ask yourself why they can play a centre on Hart and it will tell you.why he isnt the easy fix to the problem.

Portland played a centre on Hart and we killed them with midrangers and a game wonning three. They played a c on Hart all year.

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The Blazers have a rookie center and are a lottery team, who cares about beating them? You're not beating the Celtics, Cavs or Thunder with a mid-range jumpers, post ups and cuts centric offense. They will all help off Hart and make the middle a parking lot if he's not making the three.

If Hart were a 36-40% three point shooter nobody would defend him with their C, it's only viable because other teams are willing to play the odds that he cannot make enough catch and shoot threes to hurt them, which is why their C's can roam off him. Early in the season when he was taking and making threes we had a top 3 offense, even before Brunson got hurt our offense was in a death spiral, from the new year till Brunson got hurt we were 12th in ORTG in large part because his three fell off a cliff.

And when our offence was clicking the Cs smashed us and defended Hart with a center.

You haven't yet addressed why we can't punish the mismatch created somewhere else. Why are KAT and Brunson guardable.by wings? How can Jrue Holiday defend a KAT post up?

Why can't we drive and dish to Hart? Is it because we don't drive well?

Boston is much better than us. No lineup change is beating that or even making it closer.

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Jrue can guard KAT because he has weakside help from a 7'3" shot blocker that leaves the 6'4" player that can't make volume threes. How is this so difficult to understand? If we set a screen with KAT for Brunson, they'll switch it so that Jrue is on Brunson and White or Brown are on KAT, and the shot blocker will still be able to help. If we set a screen with Hart then they hard trap the ball.

There is no mismatch to be had when the 7'3" player is roaming around and blowing up plays left and right. How can you still be asking why we can't score against them when they're not defending 1 player in particular.

[prophet_of_rage]

The Blazers have a rookie center and are a lottery team, who cares about beating them? You're not beating the Celtics, Cavs or Thunder with a mid-range jumpers, post ups and cuts centric offense. They will all help off Hart and make the middle a parking lot if he's not making the three.

If Hart were a 36-40% three point shooter nobody would defend him with their C, it's only viable because other teams are willing to play the odds that he cannot make enough catch and shoot threes to hurt them, which is why their C's can roam off him. Early in the season when he was taking and making threes we had a top 3 offense, even before Brunson got hurt our offense was in a death spiral, from the new year till Brunson got hurt we were 12th in ORTG in large part because his three fell off a cliff.

And when our offence was clicking the Cs smashed us and defended Hart with a center.

You haven't yet addressed why we can't punish the mismatch created somewhere else. Why are KAT and Brunson guardable.by wings? How can Jrue Holiday defend a KAT post up?

Why can't we drive and dish to Hart? Is it because we don't drive well?

Boston is much better than us. No lineup change is beating that or even making it closer.

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Jrue can guard KAT because he has weakside help from a 7'3" shot blocker that leaves the 6'4" player that can't make volume threes. How is this so difficult to understand? If we set a screen with KAT for Brunson, they'll switch it so that Jrue is on Brunson and White or Brown are on KAT, and the shot blocker will still be able to help. If we set a screen with Hart then they hard trap the ball.

There is no mismatch to be had when the 7'3" player is roaming around and blowing up plays left and right. How can you still be asking why we can't score against them when they're not defending 1 player in particular.

You understand that Porzingis roams no matter what by design.

You think putting Deuce out there forces Zingus to defend KAT? They won't do it. Jrue can negate KAT's post ups, forcing the ball into being kicked out and from there Boston rotates, leaving Porzingis as the weakside help in any event. And on the other end you have a tiny backcourt and one rebounder against a big team.

All so Mikal can be the fourth option not rebound, not touch the ball because JB and Deuce have it and still be forced to defend Jalen Brown because no one else can.

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[3toheadmelo]

As always, that’s just the easy thing to say after a loss. Let me ask you: Which true difference maker could we have realistically added instead, where results would’ve certainly been better than Boston’s and Cleveland’s right away? What is your goal here? It’s safe to say your hero was even worse this year than he had been with us already (and that really says something given the pathetic effort and decision making he had displayed or the historically bad playoff resume to go with that), so keeping that bum around certainly wouldn’t have helped edge those teams. Assuming we still had them, what would you do specifically with those five picks that could move us past Cleveland or Boston right away? What is your goal here?

I say the front office absolutely seized and maximized our opportunity and we can still get to the top simply by staying on track. This team is now loaded with talent, and you have to be a real hater to disregard what Bridges and OG have shown or how Towns has outplayed his predecessor this year.
Meanwhile all you have in store is Giannis this, Durant that yada yada yada. That’s just bush league posting to me. Please stop crying after every loss, it’s annoying af. This is a process and we’re only in year one.

You before you typed all of that

You have no answers. Pathetic.

What's pathetic is you acting like this team is on the same level as Boston, OKC and Boston You think this is NBA 2K where you can just put a bunch of random names together and think it can work because it has talent on paper when they don't even fit together. You're extremely stubborn and ignorant and will never admit when you are wrong. It's incredible. Just like how you were wrong 200% wrong about Donovan Mitchell, who's destroyed your bf Mikal every single time and we could've gotten him for cheaper than Mikalikina. But hey, Mikalkina puts up numbers against tanking teams, so all is good!

[spree2kawhi]

You before you typed all of that

You have no answers. Pathetic.

What's pathetic is you acting like this team is on the same level as Boston, OKC and Boston You think this is NBA 2K where you can just put a bunch of random names together and think it can work because it has talent on paper when they don't even fit together. You're extremely stubborn and ignorant and will never admit when you are wrong. It's incredible. Just like how you were wrong 200% wrong about Donovan Mitchell, who's destroyed your bf Mikal every single time and we could've gotten him for cheaper than Mikalikina. But hey, Mikalkina puts up numbers against tanking teams, so all is good!

I was wrong about LaMelo Ball, and apparently about the Cavs this season (I still believe we’d them in a series at full strength). I also thought Dallas would shut AD down, but he played again two games later. I was wrong about Frank and Knox. So if that helps you, there it is. I just don’t keep bringing these up months later as if I hadn’t been wrong.

This team has elite level talent since acquiring OG, Bridges and Towns, and now getting Mitch back - when healthy, he’s underrated at his position too. I wasn’t wrong about this team, I just don’t apply idiotic, unrealistic standards. As I’ve said before, no team in the last 40 years has brought in major pieces (outside Kawhi and Toronto) and won a championship right away. It’s a process and I think they can even make noise this year.

Meanwhile, you still won’t or can’t answer any question about alternative moves that would have certainly put us past Boston and Cleveland right away and you never have answered that before. I think you can’t because there isn’t and wasn’t anything better or even remotely close out there.

[3toheadmelo]

You have no answers. Pathetic.

What's pathetic is you acting like this team is on the same level as Boston, OKC and Boston You think this is NBA 2K where you can just put a bunch of random names together and think it can work because it has talent on paper when they don't even fit together. You're extremely stubborn and ignorant and will never admit when you are wrong. It's incredible. Just like how you were wrong 200% wrong about Donovan Mitchell, who's destroyed your bf Mikal every single time and we could've gotten him for cheaper than Mikalikina. But hey, Mikalkina puts up numbers against tanking teams, so all is good!

I was wrong about LaMelo Ball, and apparently about the Cavs this season (I still believe we’d them in a series at full strength). I also thought Dallas would shut AD down, but he played again two games later. I was wrong about Frank and Knox. So if that helps you, there it is. I just don’t keep bringing these up months later as if I hadn’t been wrong.

This team has elite level talent since acquiring OG, Bridges and Towns, and now getting Mitch back - when healthy, he’s underrated at his position too. I wasn’t wrong about this team, I just don’t apply idiotic, unrealistic standards. As I’ve said before, no team in the last 40 years has brought in major pieces (outside Kawhi and Toronto) and won a championship right away. It’s a process and I think they can even make noise this year.

Meanwhile, you still won’t or can’t answer any question about alternative moves that would have certainly put us past Boston and Cleveland right away and you never have answered that before. I think you can’t because there isn’t and wasn’t anything better or even remotely close out there.

Lol I've given plenty of examples of players we could've gotten that would've boosted our chances to getting to the ECF at least . Let's see, Donovan mitchell we could've gotten for cheap. We could've gotten Jimmy Butler for Mikal. Hell I would've even settled for Lavine for Mikal. I wanted us to trade Hart for Camara who's going to be on the All NBA defense first team. I wanted us to draft Jalen Williams. If we going further, I wanted us to trade KP to boston for the 3rd pick to draft Tatum. I mean I can keep giving examples

And even then, let's say the Knicks made zero moves this past off season. They would still be in a much better position to trade for a big time difference maker like KD and Giannis because we would still have all of our assets. But we wasted them on KAT and Mikal who get exposed against championship contending teams.

[HopelessKnick]

What's pathetic is you acting like this team is on the same level as Boston, OKC and Boston You think this is NBA 2K where you can just put a bunch of random names together and think it can work because it has talent on paper when they don't even fit together. You're extremely stubborn and ignorant and will never admit when you are wrong. It's incredible. Just like how you were wrong 200% wrong about Donovan Mitchell, who's destroyed your bf Mikal every single time and we could've gotten him for cheaper than Mikalikina. But hey, Mikalkina puts up numbers against tanking teams, so all is good!

I was wrong about LaMelo Ball, and apparently about the Cavs this season (I still believe we’d them in a series at full strength). I also thought Dallas would shut AD down, but he played again two games later. I was wrong about Frank and Knox. So if that helps you, there it is. I just don’t keep bringing these up months later as if I hadn’t been wrong.

This team has elite level talent since acquiring OG, Bridges and Towns, and now getting Mitch back - when healthy, he’s underrated at his position too. I wasn’t wrong about this team, I just don’t apply idiotic, unrealistic standards. As I’ve said before, no team in the last 40 years has brought in major pieces (outside Kawhi and Toronto) and won a championship right away. It’s a process and I think they can even make noise this year.

Meanwhile, you still won’t or can’t answer any question about alternative moves that would have certainly put us past Boston and Cleveland right away and you never have answered that before. I think you can’t because there isn’t and wasn’t anything better or even remotely close out there.

Lol I've given plenty of examples of players we could've gotten that would've boosted our chances to getting to the ECF at least . Let's see, Donovan mitchell we could've gotten for cheap. We could've gotten Jimmy Butler for Mikal. Hell I would've even settled for Lavine for Mikal. I wanted us to trade Hart for Camara who's going to be on the All NBA defense first team. I wanted us to draft Jalen Williams. If we going further, I wanted us to trade KP to boston for the 3rd pick to draft Tatum. I mean I can keep giving examples

And even then, let's say the Knicks made zero moves this past off season. They would still be in a much better position to trade for a big time difference maker like KD and Giannis because we would still have all of our assets. But we wasted them on KAT and Mikal who get exposed against championship contending teams.

Leaving aside that it wouldn't work capwise, why would Portland trade Camara for Hart? Camara is much better defensively and the much better shooter and much younger and cheaper.

As for LaVine...you can't reakky have JB, Zach and KAT on the court together....they would be getting smoked left and right. If anything we should be looking at having 4 good defenders in the line-up if this group does not work out.

[3toheadmelo]

I was wrong about LaMelo Ball, and apparently about the Cavs this season (I still believe we’d them in a series at full strength). I also thought Dallas would shut AD down, but he played again two games later. I was wrong about Frank and Knox. So if that helps you, there it is. I just don’t keep bringing these up months later as if I hadn’t been wrong.

This team has elite level talent since acquiring OG, Bridges and Towns, and now getting Mitch back - when healthy, he’s underrated at his position too. I wasn’t wrong about this team, I just don’t apply idiotic, unrealistic standards. As I’ve said before, no team in the last 40 years has brought in major pieces (outside Kawhi and Toronto) and won a championship right away. It’s a process and I think they can even make noise this year.

Meanwhile, you still won’t or can’t answer any question about alternative moves that would have certainly put us past Boston and Cleveland right away and you never have answered that before. I think you can’t because there isn’t and wasn’t anything better or even remotely close out there.

Lol I've given plenty of examples of players we could've gotten that would've boosted our chances to getting to the ECF at least . Let's see, Donovan mitchell we could've gotten for cheap. We could've gotten Jimmy Butler for Mikal. Hell I would've even settled for Lavine for Mikal. I wanted us to trade Hart for Camara who's going to be on the All NBA defense first team. I wanted us to draft Jalen Williams. If we going further, I wanted us to trade KP to boston for the 3rd pick to draft Tatum. I mean I can keep giving examples

And even then, let's say the Knicks made zero moves this past off season. They would still be in a much better position to trade for a big time difference maker like KD and Giannis because we would still have all of our assets. But we wasted them on KAT and Mikal who get exposed against championship contending teams.

Leaving aside that it wouldn't work capwise, why would Portland trade Camara for Hart? Camara is much better defensively and the much better shooter and much younger and cheaper.

As for LaVine...you can't reakky have JB, Zach and KAT on the court together....they would be getting smoked left and right. If anything we should be looking at having 4 good defenders in the line-up if this group does not work out.

The trade was Ayton + Camara for Josh Hart and Mitch.

Lavine or not, KAT would’ve been moved already if it was up to me.

[HopelessKnick]

Lol I've given plenty of examples of players we could've gotten that would've boosted our chances to getting to the ECF at least . Let's see, Donovan mitchell we could've gotten for cheap. We could've gotten Jimmy Butler for Mikal. Hell I would've even settled for Lavine for Mikal. I wanted us to trade Hart for Camara who's going to be on the All NBA defense first team. I wanted us to draft Jalen Williams. If we going further, I wanted us to trade KP to boston for the 3rd pick to draft Tatum. I mean I can keep giving examples

And even then, let's say the Knicks made zero moves this past off season. They would still be in a much better position to trade for a big time difference maker like KD and Giannis because we would still have all of our assets. But we wasted them on KAT and Mikal who get exposed against championship contending teams.

Leaving aside that it wouldn't work capwise, why would Portland trade Camara for Hart? Camara is much better defensively and the much better shooter and much younger and cheaper.

As for LaVine...you can't reakky have JB, Zach and KAT on the court together....they would be getting smoked left and right. If anything we should be looking at having 4 good defenders in the line-up if this group does not work out.

The trade was Ayton + Camara for Josh Hart and Mitch.

Lavine or not, KAT would’ve been moved already if it was up to me.

But did you base this on some sort of real rumor or did you just suggest it? Because I don't see how that proposal was realistic at all. Portland would have never done that IMO.

As for KAT, I would strongly consider a KAT deal if we could get a PF/C, good defender back that is able to score 18-20 points on offense. I think this team will be much much tougher if we have another gritty defender in there that may score a bit less but can lock down on defense. I would still like to see the KAT/Mitch frontcourt for a final verdict but as of today I would prefer a line-up with Mitch at C, Bridges at the 2, OG at the 3 and a PF/C that can play both ends.

[3toheadmelo]

Leaving aside that it wouldn't work capwise, why would Portland trade Camara for Hart? Camara is much better defensively and the much better shooter and much younger and cheaper.

As for LaVine...you can't reakky have JB, Zach and KAT on the court together....they would be getting smoked left and right. If anything we should be looking at having 4 good defenders in the line-up if this group does not work out.

The trade was Ayton + Camara for Josh Hart and Mitch.

Lavine or not, KAT would’ve been moved already if it was up to me.

But did you base this on some sort of real rumor or did you just suggest it? Because I don't see how that proposal was realistic at all. Portland would have never done that IMO.

As for KAT, I would strongly consider a KAT deal if we could get a PF/C, good defender back that is able to score 18-20 points on offense. I think this team will be much much tougher if we have another gritty defender in there that may score a bit less but can lock down on defense. I would still like to see the KAT/Mitch frontcourt for a final verdict but as of today I would prefer a line-up with Mitch at C, Bridges at the 2, OG at the 3 and a PF/C that can play both ends.

Nah that one specifically I suggested that last summer before Camara broke out this year. I wanted us to snatch Camara on the low before he took that leap. So yea I don’t see them trading him now at all.

Thibs is likely saving the Mitch KaT front court for the playoffs so we’ll see what happens then