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Post#3361 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 6, 2025 9:56 am

pepe1991 wrote:We have 11 men under contracts +
Gary Harris- team option
Mortiz Wagner- team option ( will be picked)
Joseph team option ( will now probably be picked)
Caleb Houstan


Whoever gets drafted won't have any PT any time soon. If you don't have time for second year 11th overall lottery pick nor 18th overall "nba ready" rookie, odds are, you won't have time for whoever gets drafted in 2025, because next year expetations will be way higher than be play in team.


Non-lottery selected first round pick is way more valuable to tanking team or top tear contender than middle of a road team. Nuggets pick isn't that valuable for anybody. Those late 20s picks are often burden because of guranteed salary & taking roster spot for 3 years.
I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Post#3362 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:42 pm

WCJ is officially able to be traded !!!!
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#3363 » by AdamTheGreek » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:07 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:We have 11 men under contracts +
Gary Harris- team option
Mortiz Wagner- team option ( will be picked)
Joseph team option ( will now probably be picked)
Caleb Houstan


Whoever gets drafted won't have any PT any time soon. If you don't have time for second year 11th overall lottery pick nor 18th overall "nba ready" rookie, odds are, you won't have time for whoever gets drafted in 2025, because next year expetations will be way higher than be play in team.


Non-lottery selected first round pick is way more valuable to tanking team or top tear contender than middle of a road team. Nuggets pick isn't that valuable for anybody. Those late 20s picks are often burden because of guranteed salary & taking roster spot for 3 years.
I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
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Post#3364 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:09 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:We have 11 men under contracts +
Gary Harris- team option
Mortiz Wagner- team option ( will be picked)
Joseph team option ( will now probably be picked)
Caleb Houstan


Whoever gets drafted won't have any PT any time soon. If you don't have time for second year 11th overall lottery pick nor 18th overall "nba ready" rookie, odds are, you won't have time for whoever gets drafted in 2025, because next year expetations will be way higher than be play in team.


Non-lottery selected first round pick is way more valuable to tanking team or top tear contender than middle of a road team. Nuggets pick isn't that valuable for anybody. Those late 20s picks are often burden because of guranteed salary & taking roster spot for 3 years.
I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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Post#3365 » by RichCollab » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:11 pm

basketballRob wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote: I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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Who is our backup SF when everyone is healthy?
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Post#3366 » by AdamTheGreek » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote: I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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He is 100% a rotation guy. Assuming we’re not hiding an injury of his I’m not aware of, we should see more of him again in this play-in/playoffs.
Like any rookie, he just needs the offseason to build his body up. Look how much AB got stronger and built his body up for an 82-game in just one summer. Tristan doesn’t need nearly as much physical work.
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Post#3367 » by RichCollab » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:19 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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He is 100% a rotation guy. Assuming we’re not hiding an injury of his I’m not aware of, we should see more of him again in this play-in/playoffs.
Like any rookie, he just needs the offseason to build his body up. Look how much AB got stronger and built his body up for an 82-game in just one summer. Tristan doesn’t need nearly as much physical work.
He’s going to play for Germany at EuroBasket barring injury.


Wouldn’t surprise me he sits out most the minutes this season and post season. Mos did the same thing to AB last season. He favors vets this time of year for sure.

TDS had a ok rookie season given where he was taken. I do see him potentially part of the rotation next year at a combo forward role. He came in as an older player so you needed to see more than a 1 and done rookie. I’m ok adding a 27 vet in his place also.
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Post#3368 » by AdamTheGreek » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:24 pm

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basketballRob wrote:He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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He is 100% a rotation guy. Assuming we’re not hiding an injury of his I’m not aware of, we should see more of him again in this play-in/playoffs.
Like any rookie, he just needs the offseason to build his body up. Look how much AB got stronger and built his body up for an 82-game in just one summer. Tristan doesn’t need nearly as much physical work.
He’s going to play for Germany at EuroBasket barring injury.


Wouldn’t surprise me he sits out most the minutes this season and post season. Mos did the same thing to AB last season. He favors vets this time of year for sure.

TDS had a ok rookie season given where he was taken. I do see him potentially part of the rotation next year at a combo forward role. He came in as an older player so you needed to see more than a 1 and done rookie. I’m ok adding a 27 vet in his place also.


OK??? Come on, man, did you forget him carrying us in December and early January? Other than McCain, he was the best rookie during that stretch.

AB got wrongfully punished last season for the Black-Dick photo. AB should’ve played in the Cavs series and we likely win it if he does.

You need cheap contracts. We need Caleb.
We need Tristan. 27-year-olds cost $10+ million.
Tristan isn’t in that situation.
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Post#3369 » by Skybox » Sun Apr 6, 2025 2:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
basketballRob wrote: I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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So...you going to carry a nine man roster?

If a guy like TdS isn't in our healthy "rotation", we're a very good team. We've got guys making literally 5-10x his salary that he'll probably surpass in a year. In light of the excuses many of you make for other young players, I'm thinking Tds (at his draft spot) might be among Weltman's best draft picks.

Dollar for Dollar, TdS, CoJo, and Caleb, and even Queen, for all of their limitations, might be the best values on our roster...we NEED to have those kind of guys to fill out the roster with some kind of fiscal responsibility. It's unsustainable to have guys like KCP making $23m off the bench (where he'll need to be if we add any kind of useful PG) or WCJ making $18 or $19m as a mediocre starter -who should be coming off the bench...even Moe (who we all like) getting $11m is too much unless he becomes a legit 2nd string C on a regular basis...Cole makes $13m and is in and out of the rotation...Gary gives us vet min production, but he's paid like a solid rotation guy...something's gotta give and the TdS's of the world are the farthest thing from the problem.

We have way too many good things paid like very good things and not enough very good things.
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Post#3370 » by Skybox » Sun Apr 6, 2025 2:36 pm

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I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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You're close to following OKC's worldview...but they don't just jettison players that can't play well. They make difficult moves with near-future finances in mind. They knew Giddey was going to cost more than his value TO OKC, so they moved him for a better-fitting, less expensive rotation role player before extension conversations even started. Compiling talent through the draft and, most significantly, acting DECISIVELY once their value (not just as a player, but most importantly to OKC) is determined. This is the team that moved Harden because they could see that he was going to command a massive deal and they already had Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka signed long-term and they felt they could still contend without Harden and avoid the luxury tax that small-market, frugal ownership OKC just wasn't going to pay...get ready to see similar mentality in ORL or just get comfortable on the treadmill and pretend that not having an offensive player in the backcourt is working out perfectly. Today, versus when the Harden decision was made, the CBA is incredibly punitive and not just in terms of money. OKC set the standard for building step by step, making hard decisions quickly and moving forward towards building a team rather than just fanboys clinging to every player on the roster who shows a flash of promise once in a while. The way that Weltman has continually extended extremely limited players seems more like cowardly "rewards" for "family/loyalty/nice guys" than having any kind of vision for the team.

I'm not suggesting that OKC's FO has a perfect crystal ball...they just MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS THEY CAN and keep moving forward. No way did they know that Harden would become the best player in the league the day after he got to HOU. The Paul George thing didn't work out - but they didn't cling to him forever, hoping not to take a loss. No way did they realize that SGA would be an MVP candidate, rather than just a really good player....but it wasn't dumb luck either - just calculated risks and action at the right time.

KCP is like the opposite scenario...ORL overpays a free agent that doesn't even really fill a need, regardless of how good or bad he is (he's good) and then realize we've got too many of the same thing and, now, he's a year older and won't necessarily have even the same value he had when we "stole" him from DEN. On the other hand, DEN loved KCP, but saw that an overpay was coming and that Christian Braun was (hopefully) capable of filling the void for a fraction of KCP's new salary. Braun didn't have to be better than KCP - just good enough. Smart bet. AB should be OUR Braun, rising to take the place of the costly KCP, rather than seeing all of our backcourt players (and Centers too) as individual investments valued in a vacuum. None of our Centers are necessarily overpaid, but collectively, we've got way too much salary tied up in that position - especially when we've got Isaac, who is capable of picking up 3rd string minutes if needed. In our backcourt, we've basically got 4 3&D SG's on the books (accounting for $72m next year- not even counting Jett and Queen) and our best/only PG is a 33yo making $3m who'd probably be unemployed if he wasn't here.
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Post#3371 » by RichCollab » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:33 pm

Is Travis Denier available?
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Post#3372 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 6, 2025 5:14 pm

RichCollab wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
Tristan is part of our core. Don’t confuse him hitting a rookie wall for anything else.

I wouldn’t worry about trades until after the playoffs. Some guys can up their value depending on how the play-in and potentially playoffs go.
He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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Who is our backup SF when everyone is healthy?
Tristan is barely an NBA player. He's averaged around 3 mpg in the last 7 games. 3 of those games he didn't even play. If Suggs and Moe were healthy, Tristan would only play in garbage time

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Post#3373 » by RichCollab » Sun Apr 6, 2025 5:21 pm

basketballRob wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:He's not in the rotation when everyone is healthy.

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Who is our backup SF when everyone is healthy?
Tristan is barely an NBA player. He's averaged around 3 mpg in the last 7 games. 3 of those games he didn't even play. If Suggs and Moe were healthy, Tristan would only play in garbage time

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It’s more the rookie wall and coaching staff preferring vets for me. I’m not sure where he ends up. At this moment, he seems to have as good a shoot at backup SF for me as anyone on the roster.

I’m hoping we add more solid vets to the rotation.
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Post#3374 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 6, 2025 5:23 pm

RichCollab wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Who is our backup SF when everyone is healthy?
Tristan is barely an NBA player. He's averaged around 3 mpg in the last 7 games. 3 of those games he didn't even play. If Suggs and Moe were healthy, Tristan would only play in garbage time

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It’s more the rookie wall and coaching staff preferring vets for me. I’m not sure where he ends up. At this moment, he seems to have as good a shoot at backup SF for me as anyone on the roster.

I’m hoping we add more solid vets to the rotation.
He started off out of the rotation, and as other players have gotten healthy, he's back out of the rotation.

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Post#3375 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 5:44 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:We have 11 men under contracts +
Gary Harris- team option
Mortiz Wagner- team option ( will be picked)
Joseph team option ( will now probably be picked)
Caleb Houstan


Whoever gets drafted won't have any PT any time soon. If you don't have time for second year 11th overall lottery pick nor 18th overall "nba ready" rookie, odds are, you won't have time for whoever gets drafted in 2025, because next year expetations will be way higher than be play in team.


Non-lottery selected first round pick is way more valuable to tanking team or top tear contender than middle of a road team. Nuggets pick isn't that valuable for anybody. Those late 20s picks are often burden because of guranteed salary & taking roster spot for 3 years.
I like how OKC does it. They get rid of the players that don't pan out and draft other players. I'm not a fan of Da Silva or Jett and think they could be added in a consolidation trade.

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Jett’s another story but TDS is not actually bad. When he is assigned a role, he actually know what he’s doing.
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Post#3376 » by VFX » Sun Apr 6, 2025 6:53 pm

I dislike 90% of Weltmans moves and will tell you TDS is not one of the bad ones.

Guy is a rotational player that will exist for a long time in the league as a role player off the bench. It depends on your expectations from a #18 pick.

Jett? Not so much. Da Silva can actually stay in front of players, rebound, and make plays off ball.

Da Silva was a fine pick and although he’s an “older” rookie there is still always adjustment to an 82 game schedule + travel etc. You can at least see the skillset and value he brings off the bench filling in for the sparingly few minutes Franz isn’t on the court.

I’m worried about a lot with this roster, but SF is the last position I’m concerned about with Franz and Da Silva.
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Post#3377 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 6, 2025 7:49 pm

Suggs is getting ready to do an interview with Sue Bird while he watches Paige Bueckers.

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Post#3378 » by drsd » Mon Apr 7, 2025 6:52 am

AdamTheGreek wrote:Tristan is NOT part of our core.


Fixed.

Look, the Magic will need a backup wing next year and we can reasonably assume that da Silva will be on the roster and will contribute. But he is a 3rd-stringer talent in the NBA currently and is certainly not "core" to this roster.
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Post#3379 » by orlando_joe » Mon Apr 7, 2025 9:43 am

denver lost again now 5 teams with 32 games lost last 2 are playin teams .wont happen but....so close to having a solid pick 3 games left still shot at lottery
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Post#3380 » by drsd » Mon Apr 7, 2025 11:32 am

orlando_joe wrote:denver lost again now 5 teams with 32 games lost last 2 are playin teams .wont happen but....so close to having a solid pick 3 games left still shot at lottery


Denver is now 1/2 game above the play-ins. It is within imagination that this Nuggets selection could land in the lottery. It's top-5 protected, but it could land in the 12-14 range if this disaster (for Denver) occurs.

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