2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[KLEON]

I must be a dumb arse or something but for the ppl who say Book is not a #1 option, who was the best player when they were in the Finals a couple years ago? Who was the one everybody and their mama was saying he's a killer like Kobe, even Kobe himself said he's a killer like himself. Stop disrespecting this man, Book needs winners around him especially at the PG, it doesn't have to be superstars just players who are leaders and care about winning

[sunsbg]

I must be a dumb arse or something but for the ppl who say Book is not a #1 option, who was the best player when they were in the Finals a couple years ago? Who was the one everybody and their mama was saying he's a killer like Kobe, even Kobe himself said he's a killer like himself. Stop disrespecting this man, Book needs winners around him especially at the PG, it doesn't have to be superstars just players who are leaders and care about winning

CP3 was the best player, Booker scored most. Answer why are you willing to pay superstar money to someone who's not one skill/production-wise and not a leader either as you said above ?

[sunsbum]

Thats fair... and probably very accurate

Ishbia must think Booker is a selling point and he would attract people to attend games

NOTE: Winning games brings fans

I am concerned as to who will be making these trades of Booker, KD, Beal, Allen and O'Neale

Based on the track record since Ishbia purchased this team we have lost every trade we have made.

How can we trust him this summer. I guess we can't get any worse but don't be surprised if we do. We should load up on 25 and 26 draft picks, but will we? Remember James Jones is not interested in draft picks and neither does Ishbia.

I am skeptical that we have the ability to do what is needed to make this franchise relevant anytime soon.

Need to fire Jones
Ishbia needs to hire a GM with vision

Ishbia needs patience

bro stop trolling.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don’t think anyone is in the “keep booker camp” besides Ishbia. Some of us have just accepted our fate.

Thats fair... and probably very accurate

Ishbia must think Booker is a selling point and he would attract people to attend games

NOTE: Winning games brings fans

I am concerned as to who will be making these trades of Booker, KD, Beal, Allen and O'Neale

Based on the track record since Ishbia purchased this team we have lost every trade we have made.

How can we trust him this summer. I guess we can't get any worse but don't be surprised if we do. We should load up on 25 and 26 draft picks, but will we? Remember James Jones is not interested in draft picks and neither does Ishbia.

I am skeptical that we have the ability to do what is needed to make this franchise relevant anytime soon.

What's funny is that the loaded 26' free agency could coincide with Beal's final year as an expiring contract, and IF done correctly and we were to trade both KD and Booker.


We could fill out our roster with young, fast explosive super athletic young talent like Houston's players or Detroit's players on cost controlled deals, we could have that potent core while still having enough flexibility to add a max contract and some key vets in 26 free agency too.

We could surprisingly find ourselves back into the playoffs within a year or two possibly??

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This would be a very bad outcome for us if Booker somehow asked out and would only agree to a trade to New York as the Knicks don't really have any picks to offer or desirable young talent/ players aside from maybe Bridges??

But if that was the outcome, I'd take back Bridges and Mitchell and have them send other players to teams with picks so we could get back draft picks for Booker in a 3 team or 4 team deal!

[BurningHeart]

The only person who should survive is Ryan Dunn.

Literally everyone else should go. That goes from the players to the coaching staff to upper management to Ishbia to the social media intern to the people who do the laundry to the security guards and so on.

The entire franchise needs purging, both physically and mentally.

This team has been rebuilding since 2011 and it's been a **** failure. The two or three years we "competed!" were **** fake and during fake ass corona rules. Nope. None of that matters.

This entire organization and the fan base have a losers mentality. It started with years of losing on purpose and deconstructing the rosters with intention. It became an addiction. A fetish. Some of us warned about this. Most did not heed the warning.

And which players do you want on those 14 roster spots?

The answer is who gives a ****.

Just have people who play with heart and soul. Dunn doesn't have to be a superstar.

[Saberestar]

The only person who should survive is Ryan Dunn.

Literally everyone else should go. That goes from the players to the coaching staff to upper management to Ishbia to the social media intern to the people who do the laundry to the security guards and so on.

The entire franchise needs purging, both physically and mentally.

This team has been rebuilding since 2011 and it's been a **** failure. The two or three years we "competed!" were **** fake and during fake ass corona rules. Nope. None of that matters.

This entire organization and the fan base have a losers mentality. It started with years of losing on purpose and deconstructing the rosters with intention. It became an addiction. A fetish. Some of us warned about this. Most did not heed the warning.

And which players do you want on those 14 roster spots?

The answer is who gives a ****.

Just have people who play with heart and soul. Dunn doesn't have to be a superstar.

OK, good plan. I play with heart and soul... so I can get there and get a job.

[garrick]

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This is a pretty good analysis on KD and Book's inability to beat doubles and although it's nothing new it is nice to see it broken down.

Booker just has a terrible time finding the roll man and it frustrates the hell out of me when he ignores the roll man and passes to the side only to have him try to break down the dribble again. If KD and Book are going to be on this team next season they should be constantly working on blitzes in the off season.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Might be the most miserable season

If Ryan Dunn who shoots 42% FT and 30% 3 is the hope we have nothing

[Saberestar]

The Suns are 2W-14L without Kevin Durant this season.

[Calvin Klein]

The Suns are 2W-14L without Kevin Durant this season.

So they are 33-29 with him? That's not even good enough for the 8 seed. They would be a playin team if he played every game. WINNING

[RaisingArizona]

I must be a dumb arse or something but for the ppl who say Book is not a #1 option, who was the best player when they were in the Finals a couple years ago? Who was the one everybody and their mama was saying he's a killer like Kobe, even Kobe himself said he's a killer like himself. Stop disrespecting this man, Book needs winners around him especially at the PG, it doesn't have to be superstars just players who are leaders and care about winning

I've noticed this in sports. People have a very short memory and it's only about the now. Perceptions and narratives change very fast

[Saberestar]

The Suns are 2W-14L without Kevin Durant this season.

So they are 33-29 with him? That's not even good enough for the 8 seed. They would be a playin team if he played every game. WINNING

12'5% is the winning percentage without KD.

53'2% is the winning percentage with KD.

The difference is huge and we are much better with him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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So 4 out of 5 teams that could explore trading KD to have elite wing stoppers on their rosters. We definitely need to have one of these guys coming back in a KD trade as part of the package return.

[BobbieL]

I must be a dumb arse or something but for the ppl who say Book is not a #1 option, who was the best player when they were in the Finals a couple years ago? Who was the one everybody and their mama was saying he's a killer like Kobe, even Kobe himself said he's a killer like himself. Stop disrespecting this man, Book needs winners around him especially at the PG, it doesn't have to be superstars just players who are leaders and care about winning

Booker is a number 1 scoring option on offense, true

But he is not an alpha leader. Durant is the same.

So disrespect or not, the Suns have Durant and Booker and they are not a good team. They ARE part of the problem. Though if you keep Booker, you need to get a really good point guard who is also a leader so he can just settle into the two guard spot and score the ball

[BobbieL]

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I still don't like it. Just suck it and wait the two years. $19m is still a lot of cap space

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I still don't like it. Just suck it and wait the two years. $19m is still a lot of cap space

Agreed!!! It'd be grotesquely stupid to further restrict ourselves for another 3-4 years with 20 million in dead cap preventing us from being able to make any moves. Suck it up and keep him until h's an expiring asset, or just leet him expire for huge cap reduction in the summer of 2027.

[BobbieL]

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This would be a very bad outcome for us if Booker somehow asked out and would only agree to a trade to New York as the Knicks don't really have any picks to offer or desirable young talent/ players aside from maybe Bridges??

But if that was the outcome, I'd take back Bridges and Mitchell and have them send other players to teams with picks so we could get back draft picks for Booker in a 3 team or 4 team deal!

I think with Booker going to the Knicks - it would have to be a multi team deal
Not sure Bridges would be coming back