Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[jakecronus8]

This like someone in an abusive relationship saying "I know they've lied to me before but this times diiferent"



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I turned it off when he mentioned Dame coming back if we were down 2-0 in a series. Totally how you make decisions when treating a blood clot.

I think the idea is that they are being overly cautious with it. Meaning the doctors cleared him for game 1, but the Bucks would be playing it safe, and not having him come back unless absolutely needed in the 1st round.

We all remember when they FA'd and FO'd doing this with Giannis against the Heat. If he's cleared he plays

[Dick Tate]

Maybe Dame's situation is a little more predictable than Giannis's was.

[ReasonablySober]

ESPN came up with 29 alternative trade packages for Luka instead of what they got from LA.

A little interesting to check out if you think Luka and Giannis have similar trade value.

[IrishRainbow]

ESPN came up with 29 alternative trade packages for Luka instead of what they got from LA.

A little interesting to check out if you think Luka and Giannis have similar trade value.

Don’t have + and they won’t let me select MIL.

[ReasonablySober]

ESPN came up with 29 alternative trade packages for Luka instead of what they got from LA.

A little interesting to check out if you think Luka and Giannis have similar trade value.

Don’t have + and they won’t let me select MIL.

Their best offer was (correctly) Dame and the '31 1st.

[soxperry]

ESPN came up with 29 alternative trade packages for Luka instead of what they got from LA.

A little interesting to check out if you think Luka and Giannis have similar trade value.

Don’t have + and they won’t let me select MIL.

Their best offer was (correctly) Dame and the '31 1st.

So....no AJ Johnson?

Not sure what to make of that. Do they really value our 31 1st that much? Because if not, then its about the same if not less than what they ended up getting in Davis and the 29 1st

[ReasonablySober]

LSU has hired the Bucks director of global scouting Ronald Dupree to be their new GM.

[MickeyDavis]

4 days ago Doc said about Dame "We have much more hope today than we did three days ago, I can tell you that," Rivers said, according to ESPN's Tim Bontemps. "And so we're going to take everything that we can do to see if there's a way we can get him back."

We almost universally knew it was a smokescreen. We went through the same thing with Giannis last year. We're 11-12 days from game 1. He isn't practicing yet. Maybe some light workouts. He last played 3/18. You don't miss a month and come back and play 35 intense playoff minutes.

[Profound23]

Since other teams can make ridiculous posts about trade offers for Giannis (i.e. Cameron Johnson and Claxton) we can make ours for Jokic.

Dame/Kuzma/first round pick for Jokic/Aaron Gordon.

[pifhluk23]

4 days ago Doc said about Dame "We have much more hope today than we did three days ago, I can tell you that," Rivers said, according to ESPN's Tim Bontemps. "And so we're going to take everything that we can do to see if there's a way we can get him back."

We almost universally knew it was a smokescreen. We went through the same thing with Giannis last year. We're 11-12 days from game 1. He isn't practicing yet. Maybe some light workouts. He last played 3/18. You don't miss a month and come back and play 35 intense playoff minutes.

Everything I've read says it's 3-6 months, Playoffs begin nearly squarely on 1 month, ECF 2 months. FO is just stringing everyone along.

[tsamo]

From what I understand, if you're lucky, the clot can go away faster but the issue is that to check it out, you need imaging. Which is way too expensive to do every day or every other day for the common man.
Not so much for a basketball franchise.

Also, Dame is allowed to and trains almost normally just not any kind of 5v5 or 3v3 to eliminate the probability of any kind of injury while on blood thinners.

With that said, I think the absolutely fastest he could return is in a hypothetical 2nd round series and even then probably not at the start of it.

All in all, it's best to just assume we will not see him again this season, which is unfortunate.

[soxperry]

Just a quick tally of our cap situation this coming off-season:

If we only retain the players currently under contract and rescind rights to Brook and Bobby, we can get as low as 149.4M. The cap is projected to be at 154.6.

But as far as ive read, you cant just combine the cap room and the MLE. You cant even use the MLE if you use any cap room to sign a player. So even if we were to ship off kuzma into some team's cap space, we would be able to pay Kpj about 27m but then only have minimum contracts to hand out with a roster of

Dame
Kpj
Giannis
Rollins
Pat
AJ Green
Tyler Smith
Andre

So it seems much more likely our strategy will be to try and retain Brook and Bobby in a cost effective manner, give KPJ 2/24 with the promise of more later on, and then cross our fingers that we can keep finding vet min guys to round things out while guys like Trent and TP most likely get raises somewhere else.

[ShootingtheJ]

Just a quick tally of our cap situation this coming off-season:

If we only retain the players currently under contract and rescind rights to Brook and Bobby, we can get as low as 149.4M. The cap is projected to be at 154.6.

But as far as ive read, you cant just combine the cap room and the MLE. You cant even use the MLE if you use any cap room to sign a player. So even if we were to ship off kuzma into some team's cap space, we would be able to pay Kpj about 27m but then only have minimum contracts to hand out with a roster of

Dame
Kpj
Giannis
Rollins
Pat
AJ Green
Tyler Smith
Andre

So it seems much more likely our strategy will be to try and retain Brook and Bobby in a cost effective manner, give KPJ 2/24 with the promise of more later on, and then cross our fingers that we can keep finding vet min guys to round things out while guys like Trent and TP most likely get raises somewhere else.

If you sign a player using cap space, you get the cap room exception. Once you use that, then I'm pretty sure you can use the MLE.

KPJs history will keep him down, he'll barely get more than the minimum. I'm guessing the Bucks use Non-Bird rights to give him a 20% raise, with a player option.

[soxperry]

Just a quick tally of our cap situation this coming off-season:

If we only retain the players currently under contract and rescind rights to Brook and Bobby, we can get as low as 149.4M. The cap is projected to be at 154.6.

But as far as ive read, you cant just combine the cap room and the MLE. You cant even use the MLE if you use any cap room to sign a player. So even if we were to ship off kuzma into some team's cap space, we would be able to pay Kpj about 27m but then only have minimum contracts to hand out with a roster of

Dame
Kpj
Giannis
Rollins
Pat
AJ Green
Tyler Smith
Andre

So it seems much more likely our strategy will be to try and retain Brook and Bobby in a cost effective manner, give KPJ 2/24 with the promise of more later on, and then cross our fingers that we can keep finding vet min guys to round things out while guys like Trent and TP most likely get raises somewhere else.

If you sign a player using cap space, you get the cap room exception. Once you use that, then I'm pretty sure you can use the MLE.

KPJs history will keep him down, he'll barely get more than the minimum. I'm guessing the Bucks use Non-Bird rights to give him a 20% raise, with a player option.

Yeah i just googled it. You cant use cap room and the mle. If you use cap room, you unlock the room exception but do not have access to mle.

Miles Bridges signed for 3/75. I dont know if Kpj will get that much but he is clearly getting way more than what you suggest. Our only hope is that he wants to stay with Giannis and Dame and be a part of a contender....which i actually think we can be if he stays.

[German Athens]

KPJ is the most talented player Giannis has ever played with. If he didn’t have all the off-court issues, he probably should have gone 2nd in the 2019 draft behind Zion and ahead of Ja.

He impacts the game like a superstar when he’s on, and he does it in so many different ways.

He’s a 6’5 guard with a very solid 6’9” wingspan, but an even more impressive 8’7” standing reach. That’s a solid mark for a small forward, and has been pretty damn notable lately with that contest against Bam in the Miami game and his o-board last night against Minny jumping out to me. Couple that with his A- athleticism, and absolutely elite handle, and he can get to any spot on the court that he needs to.

Add solid defensive instincts, and solid playmaking vision with the size to make the passes he needs to make, and you have the makings of a player who can just about do everything on the court.

His shot’s unorthodox, but it’s been dropping well in Milwaukee.

He’s got shades of Harden or Wade in him. Penny might be the better comp, though. Not sure, it’s hard to find players who can do everything he can who aren’t perennial all-stars.

He just needs to be more consistent, but he’s also been working really well with Giannis, and that’s probably the most exciting part for me.

Have Bobby sit down with him this offseason, and convince him that fit on a team is more important than the bag. I think it’s fairly plausible considering how rocky KPJ’s path has been to get to this point. He might prefer stability, and a good fit alongside a superstar more than maxing out his contract.

[Ron Swanson]

KPJ is the most talented player Giannis has ever played with. If he didn’t have all the off-court issues, he probably should have gone 2nd in the 2019 draft behind Zion and ahead of Ja.

[LUKE23]

Given KPJ’s age, talent, and athleticism, he is well above anyone else on the roster sans GA/Dame in terms of priority of keeping. Above all of Lopez, Portis, Trent, etc. it’s really unfortunate that Kuzma has been pretty bad, but at least and he and KPJ bring some athleticism to the aging core.

Either way, KPJ needs to get done.

[Ron Swanson]

We're in no position to let quality rotation players walk for nothing given the complete lack of resources to acquire adequate replacements, so obviously you hope there's a way to get all of Porter, Trent, Brook, and Bobby back on deals that don't knee-cap your flexibility. The worry with Horst in charge is obviously that he'll just attach more assets to dump Pat's salary and flip Kuzma for an even worse contract.

[fansinceforever]

KPJ isn't getting the minimum. The Bucks can't and shouldn't rely on that.

[German Athens]

KPJ is the most talented player Giannis has ever played with. If he didn’t have all the off-court issues, he probably should have gone 2nd in the 2019 draft behind Zion and ahead of Ja.

It’s more fun this way.

I’m probably getting way too caught up, but I think his talent would probably put him 3rd in that draft at a minimum.

Typically, I’m looking at prospects based off the number of viable pathways they have to impact the game, and I think KPJ has a bunch of avenues to do just that. I think there’s more things that pop with him than someone like RJ Barrett, for instance.

I’m also buying into the idea some that what we’re seeing now is still just scratching the surface for him. Due to, and I’m pulling a bucks org with marjon here, his turbulent path, there’s still some potential for him to improve and become more consistent.

I know it’s hard to detangle his personality and attitude from his game, but I think in trying to imagine that - it brings more stability. A stable KPJ, showing the flashes that he’s shown as a young prospect is tantalizing as hell. He does things that only the best at his position can do.