PG: Lethal Weapon

[Garbagelo]

OG turning into Giannis with a jumper on offense

[ctorres]

not to triple post on main but one last thing: as someone who thinks thibs is overly criticized by people unwilling to blame the players for their own lack of success, i agree that if we get embarrassed or outed early in the playoffs (which means anything fewer than 7 games in round 2) we should start actively looking to change the head coach. leon cashed the chips in, and now the roster can only be improved in the margins. so if there is a roster/HC mismatch, the logical step is to adjust the one that isn't constrained by the CBA

Just rambling here to add to your point.

Everything is riding on our main 8 rotation players on our team and how they perform in the playoffs.

If it's a coaching issue or a roster issue, it will become apparent in the playoffs. I don't think we really know yet which issue it is from what we have gathered in the regular season.

I'm looking at rotations on every team in the league, and rotations for past championship winners. It feels like it really comes down to our 8 best players.

Without question, the Celtics have 8 really great players.

I honestly don't know with the Cavs. They have 4 absolutely great players in Mitchell, Mobley, Garland, and Allen. I don't know if Strus, Jerome, Hunter, and Okoro are absolutely great, or if they're overachieving because their coach plays them more minutes than they would on other teams. The Kings just beat them while playing their starters 40+ minutes, 1 bench player (Malik Monk) 20+ minutes, and 3 bench players getting 5-7 minutes. So the Cavs' depth is not that concerning to me because it looks like you can in fact beat them with a top-heavy squad.

We have 5 really great players and two legitimate difference makers in McBride and Robinson. There is a clear talent drop off when you get to Payne, Wright, and Shamet and you compare them to guards and wings on other top rosters. Achiuwa is a 3rd string big man so he won't really be a factor unless KAT, Mitch, or OG get hurt.

We are asking for minimum salary journeymen (Payne, Shamet, Wright) to play well above their abilities in order to win a championship. That, or we need all 5 of our starters to play at all-star and superstar level in order to win (which they all have the talent to do so). We may be able to do that against the Cavs.

Celtics however have 5 top guys as great or better than our top 5 guys, but Deuce and Mitch are not as good as the Celtics 6th through 8th guys, unless Deuce and Mitch show up and play the best basketball of their lives during the playoffs.

[knicks1999]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

I am an old guy….who is she?

[MrDollarBills]

No because we won 50 games back to back in years which no other coach has done

Thibs isn’t going anywhere regardless of what happens in the playoffs. We just gave him a big extension.

Do you think if this season ends with the team getting humiliated in round 2 by Boston, Tom's job is safe? He's been outcoached by Mazzula and Atkinson badly this season. As much as we point out how Mikal has been trash against good competition, we can't ignore the fact that Tom looks completely lost when coaching against teams that play modern ball

in how many of those games was the team whole?

The Knicks have been one of the healthiest teams in the league. Not having Mitch shouldn't result in near 30 point blowouts. This team should never be beaten as badly as we have. They looked unprepared and clueless in the last several meetings with our direct competition

[MrDollarBills]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

I am an old guy….who is she?

She's a Gymnast who is old enough to be my daughter.

[RHODEY]

Thibs picks Payne, so there's no reason to debate it further

Which sucks because Wright more than showed enough to warrant a further look.

Thibs doesn't run the most inventive half court offense. People might think the offense looked good with Wright, but I saw a LOT of stagnation in half court sets. They were fine when they got out and had the defense off balance. Thibs needs a PG who can create/score a bit more, so Wright isn't going to play over Cam, because Cam hits 3s but can also pressure the rim, which Wright doesn't really do.

Thibs also likes PG's with size and that can defend......which Can doesn't really have/do. Wright can score ...without droughts and bad shot selection.. Team Wright 100%!

[MrDollarBills]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

Leonardo DiCaprio approves.

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

[MrDollarBills]

Which sucks because Wright more than showed enough to warrant a further look.

Thibs doesn't run the most inventive half court offense. People might think the offense looked good with Wright, but I saw a LOT of stagnation in half court sets. They were fine when they got out and had the defense off balance. Thibs needs a PG who can create/score a bit more, so Wright isn't going to play over Cam, because Cam hits 3s but can also pressure the rim, which Wright doesn't really do.

Thibs also likes PG's with size and that can defend......which Can doesn't really have/do. Wright can score ...without droughts and bad shot selection.. Team Wright 100%!

I don't think Cam's defense is that bad. I just like what I saw from Wright and it sucks he couldn't get more of an opportunity

[MrDollarBills]

Yo I got receipts!

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10 games left. I say we go 4-6 and miss the 50 win mark. We still got CLE twice and BOS once. It also depends on when JB comes back.

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Have to win half of the next 10 games to win 50

Not likely

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With the wheels coming off this team presently, at 43 wins and 13 games left I doubt we'll reach 50 wins this season.

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I wasn’t joking when I said this team won’t win 50 games lol

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Top 5 team my ass ..we’re probably not going to win 50 games. Let that sink in

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I don’t think we crack 50 wins

Back to back 50 win seasons. 50-28 overall

Here's a breakdown of our record

42-6 vs Teams with losing records
8-22 vs Teams with winning records

84% of our wins have come vs losing teams
16% of our wins have come vs winning teams

Unfortunately in the playoffs we play winning teams

But nonetheless, BEST MID TEAM IN THE NBA!!!

Tom gets exposed literally every time we play someone with above average coaching. I'm still stunned we beat Denver.

[thebuzzardman]

Is it true the Knicks have had 'all' their pieces...meaning the starting 5 and the top 4 bench pieces of Mitch, Precious, Deuce, Cam all playing together for a total of 4 games this season? Yet they are all finally ready now for the playoffs.

I don't think Mitch and Precious are meant to play together in Thibs' eyes

I checked the box scores. There have been exactly 13 games that both KAT and Mitch have played the same game. Precious has either gotten a DNP or very little playing time

game 1: 4 minutes and 21 seconds
game 2: DNP
game 3: DNP
game 4: 5 minutes exactly
game 5: 8 minutes and 50 seconds
game 6: 10 minutes and 22 seconds
game 7: 10 minutes and 1 second
game 8: 7 minutes and 9 seconds
game 9: 11 minutes and 52 seconds
game 10: 7 minutes and 58 seconds
game 11: 6 minutes and 25 seconds
game 12: 10 minutes and 54 seconds
game 13: DNP

Precious is a 3rd string center or a starting power forward (only alongside KAT) in the event that OG is out. OG only gets extended minutes when one of either KAT or Mitch is out.

Precious did not develop enough of a jumper or offensive game to allow Thibs to play him on the offensive end alongside Mitch. Precious has been as great as he can be for us as an undersized center, or power forward in limited situations.

Come playoff time, I think Payne will back up Brunson, Deuce will take up most of the minutes backing up Mikal, Josh, and OG, and Mitch will fully back up KAT (and maybe play alongside him depending on matchups with Cleveland or Boston).

Shamet might see a few minutes, but the reality is that McBride has a longer wing span than Shamet, even though Shamet is 2 inches taller. I feel we are better off giving McBride close to 30 minutes a game in the playoffs then having him play half of that just to fit in other guys off the bench.

I'd have to agree with Thibs here. They should never be on the floor together.

[thebuzzardman]

That's some elite coaching by Thibs!

(I'm trusting Spree2Houston's numbers, I was too lazy to do them myself.)

Quite interesting that even setting aside the 0-8 against the top 3 teams, the Knicks are still just 8-14 against the rest of the over .500 teams.

the main issue i've seen with this team is that they don't know how to stop runs when the opposing team gets hot from 3

They'll also force less turnovers against teams that are better and therefore take better care of the ball, and also that miss less, so Knicks get less of those cheap buckets against off balance defenses on the break\semi break.

[thebuzzardman]

not to triple post on main but one last thing: as someone who thinks thibs is overly criticized by people unwilling to blame the players for their own lack of success, i agree that if we get embarrassed or outed early in the playoffs (which means anything fewer than 7 games in round 2) we should start actively looking to change the head coach. leon cashed the chips in, and now the roster can only be improved in the margins. so if there is a roster/HC mismatch, the logical step is to adjust the one that isn't constrained by the CBA

Preach

[thebuzzardman]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

Leonardo DiCaprio approves.

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

[Iron Mantis]

So the same people who are celebrating Thibs as the GOAT Knicks coach because he reached 50 wins this season are the same ones who say those 50 wins don't count for the Knicks' players because they were just "beating up on bad teams".....

[MrDollarBills]

Leonardo DiCaprio approves.

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

Case in point.

[MrDollarBills]

So the same people who are celebrating Thibs as the GOAT Knicks coach because he reached 50 wins this season are the same ones who say those 50 wins don't count for the Knicks' players because they were just "beating up on bad teams".....

The goalposts continue to shift

[HopelessKnick]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

Leonardo DiCaprio approves.

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

Times 1 million.

[DOT]

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

Case in point.

Spoiler:

Imagine being 40 years old and picking up your girlfriend from school.

[HopelessKnick]

Who has been training OG and teaching him these new moves? Crossing over guys with ease now.

Burner hits another clutch 3 but don't be surprised when he doesn't win Clutch player of the year

KAT gets fouled every **** time he drives and never gets called! Hope Thibs is sending those tapes to Silver

I like this 9 rotation but Shammy needs to hit his shots or else I'd go with Wright but I do think Thibs will go 8 deep in the playoffs

50 wins second straight season is something to be really proud about. Haven't done that since FrozenEnvelope was talking **** to bangwagon Bulls fans in middle school Sad that some of you will be unhappy cause Kolek didn't play smh funny how some who admitted to rooting for losses now wanna act happy

Booker has the most aesthetically pleasing game to watch in the league. No fail baiting, all pure skill. OG is the best defender in the league and Booker was giving him the business. Just a great player! **** KD! Can we get Booker instead?

No we can't. He said he wanted to firmly remain with the Suns and the Suns promised to try to rebuild on the fly with him as their core piece. I'm also feeling that with JB here we will need 4 strong defenders in the line-up. If we were to do a major trade I would trade KAT for a 2-way PF, start Mitch and bring Hart off the bench.

[spree8]

We need to do an age check on some of the people thirsting over Sunni Lee. She's only 22.

Leonardo DiCaprio approves.

I don't understand guys in their 30s and 40s wanting to mess with girls in their early 20s. Like physical attraction aside, what on earth do you have in common? It's like talking to a child. It's weird. And I'm not saying that disparage young women of that age, it's just the truth. A college age woman and a grown man have nothing in common.

Lee is a pretty young woman for sure, but she looks like a little girl to me. Gives me the ick

You talking about smashing or dating? Cuz you know if she came on to you, you ain’t turning that shyt down lol. Don’t even try bro.

But dating? Yeah, while I agree that it’d be weird for me personally, I can’t judge others for their personal preferences. Guess there’s still a lot people can bond over despite growing up in different eras.