7th pick = Trade Down

[rim_killa]

after the top 5 it looks murky

masai will look to trade down

young back up + pick in the 10-15 range

[PhilBlackson]

Lol a bold proclamation.

Not saying that I totally oppose it, it’s really gonna depend on who’s still on the board with our pick. If either of Queen or Fears is still available, personally I’m not doing it. I believe both guys have all-star level potential and aside from them yes I’d say the rest is murky (this is also under the assumption Tre is gone too) and I don’t see all of them being gone.

But should that be the case then sure I’d totally be open to it because then were likely looking at a role player anyways and of course 2 > 1 lol

[tsherkin]

We have picked top-10 only 11 times since and including the 2000 draft, and only twice since selecting Terrence Ross in the 2012 draft. We've not had a first rounder at all in 2013, 2018, 2019 and 2022.

So we'll see how this goes. Our first-rounders under Masai have been Caboclo at 20, Delon Wright at 20, Poeltl at 9, OG at 23, Flynn at 29, Scottie at 4, Gradey at 13 and Walter at 19. Not too stunning, although OG was pretty solid while healthy, Scottie's lived up to his pre-draft profile and both Gradey and Walter show some kind of promise.

If we can trade down for legit assets, that's one thing, but I think we're probably better off taking a flyer on someone at 7 for the sake of the talent infusion we need. Sometimes, it works out. More regularly than later on in the draft.

[dhackett1565]

We have picked top-10 only 11 times since and including the 2000 draft, and only twice since selecting Terrence Ross in the 2012 draft. We've not had a first rounder at all in 2013, 2018, 2019 and 2022.

So we'll see how this goes. Our first-rounders under Masai have been Caboclo at 20, Delon Wright at 20, Poeltl at 9, OG at 23, Flynn at 29, Scottie at 4, Gradey at 13 and Walter at 19. Not too stunning, although OG was pretty solid while healthy, Scottie's lived up to his pre-draft profile and both Gradey and Walter show some kind of promise.

If we can trade down for legit assets, that's one thing, but I think we're probably better off taking a flyer on someone at 7 for the sake of the talent infusion we need. Sometimes, it works out. More regularly than later on in the draft.

Any reason we are excluding Siakam as a first rounder?

I'd say both Siakam and OG were home runs, Scottie was a hit despite the initial shock, Jak has a long starting career which is a success if not a franchise altering pick. Gradey and Walter it's too soon to tell.

[Rainman66]

Trade trade all this board wants to do is trade everyone honestly lets just trade everyone for picks ala okc style and bottom out whats the point of having any of these players/assets if they are not going to be given any chance to develop/improve or reach their full potential lets just firesale then

[Stromile12]

Just draft Fears and be patient, he's going to be a really good player.

[tsherkin]

Any reason we are excluding Siakam as a first rounder?

Old age and bad eyes?

I looked right past him, and my brain was telling me he was an early second-rounder.

Whoops!

I'd say both Siakam and OG were home runs, Scottie was a hit despite the initial shock, Jak has a long starting career which is a success if not a franchise altering pick. Gradey and Walter it's too soon to tell.

Gradey and Walter, too soon to tell, agree. Siakam was fantastic for us, yes. I still wish we kept him. OG worked out well enough when he was healthy, though that remained perpetually a problem. Scottie's been a decent selection. Despite my various complaints about his scoring, he is exactly what the pre-draft reports said he would be, and that draft wasn't riddled with considerably superior players anyway. Like, Cade would have been a more interesting call the way he's developed now, but Scottie's got his utility as a defender to lean on compared to Cade's superior offensive impact, right? Jak was a great pick, I'm happy we got him back.

Masai tends to draft well, for sure.

[youngRAPZ]

Trade trade all this board wants to do is trade everyone honestly lets just trade everyone for picks ala okc style and bottom out whats the point of having any of these players/assets if they are not going to be given any chance to develop/improve or reach their full potential lets just firesale then

lol yeh I second this our starting lineup should be

2031 1st rd pick
2029 1st
2035 1st
20261st
2027 1st

And since they are not actually players we will forfeit and be bottom of the barrel with an 0-82 record which will guarantee top 5 picks that we can then trade for more picks to keep being 0-82. This also keeps our salary books clean and nowhere near being over the tax or cap. While we accumulate what if’s.


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[Los_29]

We have picked top-10 only 11 times since and including the 2000 draft, and only twice since selecting Terrence Ross in the 2012 draft. We've not had a first rounder at all in 2013, 2018, 2019 and 2022.

So we'll see how this goes. Our first-rounders under Masai have been Caboclo at 20, Delon Wright at 20, Poeltl at 9, OG at 23, Flynn at 29, Scottie at 4, Gradey at 13 and Walter at 19. Not too stunning, although OG was pretty solid while healthy, Scottie's lived up to his pre-draft profile and both Gradey and Walter show some kind of promise.

If we can trade down for legit assets, that's one thing, but I think we're probably better off taking a flyer on someone at 7 for the sake of the talent infusion we need. Sometimes, it works out. More regularly than later on in the draft.

You left off the most impressive pick in Pascal. You have to consider where these guys were drafted. Pascal at 27, OG at 23, Delon at 20 are great-amazing picks in that range. Jakob was a great value pick at 9. Scottie won ROTY and despite his limitations, is among the better players in his draft class. I have concerns with Gradey but we didn’t miss out on anyone.

I agree that it’s better to take the higher pick. Trading down is talked about a lot on here but the reality is it rarely happens. Too much can go wrong.

[tsherkin]

You left off the most impressive pick in Pascal.

I did. See my previous post. Whoops! xD

[Brinbe]

Depends on the board and what the offer is. We'll have further clarity on a lot of things after the lottery. But even if we stick there will be a good player there at 7.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Any reason we are excluding Siakam as a first rounder?

Old age and bad eyes?

I looked right past him, and my brain was telling me he was an early second-rounder.

Whoops!

I'd say both Siakam and OG were home runs, Scottie was a hit despite the initial shock, Jak has a long starting career which is a success if not a franchise altering pick. Gradey and Walter it's too soon to tell.

Gradey and Walter, too soon to tell, agree. Siakam was fantastic for us, yes. I still wish we kept him. OG worked out well enough when he was healthy, though that remained perpetually a problem. Scottie's been a decent selection. Despite my various complaints about his scoring, he is exactly what the pre-draft reports said he would be, and that draft wasn't riddled with considerably superior players anyway. Like, Cade would have been a more interesting call the way he's developed now, but Scottie's got his utility as a defender to lean on compared to Cade's superior offensive impact, right? Jak was a great pick, I'm happy we got him back.

Masai tends to draft well, for sure.

I think you're way underselling OG's value as a 23rd pick. He's been way better than the average player one should expect in that draft range, even with the injury history.

And I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Cade would have been a more interesting call". The Raps didn't win the 1st pick in the lottery that year, so there was no "call" to make on Cade.

[tsherkin]

I think you're way underselling OG's value as a 23rd pick. He's been way better than the average player one should expect in that draft range, even with the injury history.

I mitigate pick value based on availability. Were he healthy consistently, I'd sing a different tune, sure. The pick itself found very good value, independent of his ability to actually exert that value on a regular basis, though, I agree.

And I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Cade would have been a more interesting call". The Raps didn't win the 1st pick in the lottery that year, so there was no "call" to make on Cade.

Yes. I was idly speculating about draft-wide value, not the selection at slot.

[ConSarnit]

Trade trade all this board wants to do is trade everyone honestly lets just trade everyone for picks ala okc style and bottom out whats the point of having any of these players/assets if they are not going to be given any chance to develop/improve or reach their full potential lets just firesale then

It’s not like we are trading out of the 1st round under the premise of this thread. If we stay in 7th and think that there isn’t much difference between drafting 7th or 12th then moving down slightly and picking up another asset isn’t the worst idea. It’s not unreasonable to think we won’t draft “chalk” (we rarely do) so if we can extract value we should look into it if we aren’t going to have a shot at drafting the top guys this year.

7-9 is a murky draft range. We probably won’t trade down but it’s not a crazy idea. Plenty of recent high end talent has come from the 10-14 range.

[PushDaRock]

Nobody is trading you a young big that can play right now for just a move down a few spots, there's a short supply of those.

Only way I see a move down happening is if Masai wants to take someone that's rated much lower than the 7th pick and sees value in trading down and still getting his guy.

[JB7]

Trade trade all this board wants to do is trade everyone honestly lets just trade everyone for picks ala okc style and bottom out whats the point of having any of these players/assets if they are not going to be given any chance to develop/improve or reach their full potential lets just firesale then

It’s not like we are trading out of the 1st round under the premise of this thread. If we stay in 7th and think that there isn’t much difference between drafting 7th or 12th then moving down slightly and picking up another asset isn’t the worst idea. It’s not unreasonable to think we won’t draft “chalk” (we rarely do) so if we can extract value we should look into it if we aren’t going to have a shot at drafting the top guys this year.

7-9 is a murky draft range. We probably won’t trade down but it’s not a crazy idea. Plenty of recent high end talent has come from the 10-14 range.

Moving down only makes sense if you think the management for the teams behind you are incompetent and will pass up on the talent that could fall to you later. But if SAS and Houston (pick via Suns) are right behind them, I wouldn't anticipate a trade.

Masai will value having the chance to get the talent he wants, rather than hoping it slips to him. There is enough talent in this draft, that even at 7, there should be a high quality player available.

[kalel123]

Why TF do we need another young backup for? We got them in truck loads (well except at bigs). What we need is a legit player and I think you just pick whoever's best available at wherever we end up with; instead of trying to get cute and end up regretting it later.

[Raps in 4]

Why TF do we need another young backup for? We got them in truck loads (well except at bigs). What we need is a legit player and I think you just pick whoever's best available at wherever we end up with; instead of trying to get cute and end up regretting it later.

This team is not one role player away from competing. This team is one superstar away from competing, and that superstar is what we're going to be trying to find in this draft.

If Masai doesn't take the BPA, as OP suggests, and drafts for need instead, then he needs to be fired. This draft is his chance to redeem himself for the last few years of mismanagement.

[DG88]

Totally depends on the value coming back if we don't move up or down on May 12th. For me and I'm sure the FO feels the same, just draft the best talent available at 7. There's going to be a handful of talented players that we can choose from at that draft slot.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Great idea. We have already have a number of development projecta on the go, we don't need anothetle one.

With the top 5 of quick, RJ, Scottie, Yak and BI, plus all the other second years ahead of them, the rookie is going to get very little time.

We also saw how hard it was to integrate a rookie Scottie in with the vets a few years back, better to avoid that, and get a piece/pieces that can compliment rather than destabilize the rotation.