OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[MrDollarBills]

Honestly as bad as things are, I'm excited about what we could come away with from this draft. I just need Cleveland to address their needs at QB.

[GONYK]

Honestly as bad as things are, I'm excited about what we could come away with from this draft. I just need Cleveland to address their needs at QB.

They will

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[MrDollarBills]

Honestly as bad as things are, I'm excited about what we could come away with from this draft. I just need Cleveland to address their needs at QB.

They will

Spoiler:

I'm probably gonna have a full blown meltdown on draft day.

[GONYK]

Dane Brugler's draft guide dropped.

Notable ranks:

Hunter - #1
Carter - #2
Ward - #13
Johnson - #18
Sanders - #34
Dart - #49
Shough - #50
Milroe - #73

[mpharris36]

Dane Brugler's draft guide dropped.

Notable ranks:

Hunter - #1
Carter - #2
Ward - #13
Johnson - #18
Sanders - #34
Dart - #49
Shough - #50
Milroe - #73

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[Ghetto Gospel]

Dane Brugler's draft guide dropped.

Notable ranks:

Hunter - #1
Carter - #2
Ward - #13
Johnson - #18
Sanders - #34
Dart - #49
Shough - #50
Milroe - #73

also notable, he has hunter as WR1 and CB1

[Ghetto Gospel]

Dane Brugler's draft guide dropped.

Notable ranks:

Hunter - #1
Carter - #2
Ward - #13
Johnson - #18
Sanders - #34
Dart - #49
Shough - #50
Milroe - #73

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if we get him, i hope it's in the 3rd round or something

the problem with getting him in the 2nd is that it comes with the expectation or at least there will be some level of pressure to play him in year 1 but i really do think he needs AT LEAST a full year of bench seasoning

[mpharris36]

Dane Brugler's draft guide dropped.

Notable ranks:

Hunter - #1
Carter - #2
Ward - #13
Johnson - #18
Sanders - #34
Dart - #49
Shough - #50
Milroe - #73

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if we get him, i hope it's in the 3rd round or something

the problem with getting him in the 2nd is that it comes with the expectation or at least there will be some level of pressure to play him in year 1 but i really do think he needs AT LEAST a full year of bench seasoning

I honestly don't think the 2nd or 3rd round is the difference between needing him to play in year 1 or not. If you like his traits (and its the traits that Daboll typically likes in his QBs) then you invest if you believe he's legit.

They set up there QB room that he wouldn't need to play in year 1 which is a good thing. He needs a year learning for sure.

Would I like him more in round 3...but there is basically no chance you get him in round 3. Knowing you will sit him your probably want to get the 5th year option which means a small small move back into the late 1st like the Ravens did with Lamar.

[TerrenceClarke]

If the giants are going to make a move back for QB it needs to be for Dart.

Milroe is trash as a QB. Dude is a small Richardson. His accuracy is horrendous. His play diagnoses is trash as well.

Dude is better off being a running back in the NFL.

[mpharris36]

If the giants are going to make a move back for QB it needs to be for Dart.

Milroe is trash as a QB. Dude is a small Richardson. His accuracy is horrendous. His play diagnoses is trash as well.

Dude is better off being a running back in the NFL.

I have read they have done extensive work with Dart, Milroe, and even Shough (all getting top 30 visits for Giants).

Daboll talks to Saban a lot still (it was mentioned on Hardknocks about Nabers that he was one of the toughest to gameplan for)

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Also for what its worth work ethic and leadership are issues for Richardson and Milroe is supposedly super high character and a leader. So that makes me feel better.

It certainly would be a risk though.

[TerrenceClarke]

If the giants are going to make a move back for QB it needs to be for Dart.

Milroe is trash as a QB. Dude is a small Richardson. His accuracy is horrendous. His play diagnoses is trash as well.

Dude is better off being a running back in the NFL.

I have read they have done extensive work with Dart, Milroe, and even Shough (all getting top 30 visits for Giants).

Daboll talks to Saban a lot still (it was mentioned on Hardknocks about Nabers that he was one of the toughest to gameplan for)

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also for what its worth work ethic and leadership are issues for Richardson and Milroe is supposedly super high character and a leader. So that makes me feel better.

It certainly would be a risk though.

I could care less about his work ethic cause it doesn’t show up. He is just an athlete. What has he been working onAll these years?

He is easily one of the worst QB prospects in the last couple of years.

Trading assets to get him or spending a high second on him is a waste.

Dart blows him away in what you want in QB prospect.

People make fun of Jamison and Milroe is worst.

[mpharris36]

If the giants are going to make a move back for QB it needs to be for Dart.

Milroe is trash as a QB. Dude is a small Richardson. His accuracy is horrendous. His play diagnoses is trash as well.

Dude is better off being a running back in the NFL.

I have read they have done extensive work with Dart, Milroe, and even Shough (all getting top 30 visits for Giants).

Daboll talks to Saban a lot still (it was mentioned on Hardknocks about Nabers that he was one of the toughest to gameplan for)

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Also for what its worth work ethic and leadership are issues for Richardson and Milroe is supposedly super high character and a leader. So that makes me feel better.

It certainly would be a risk though.

I could care less about his work ethic cause it doesn’t show up. He is just an athlete. What has he been working onAll these years?

He is easily one of the worst QB prospects in the last couple of years.

Trading assets to get him or spending a high second on him is a waste.

Dart blows him away in what you want in QB prospect.

People make fun of Jamison and Milroe is worst.

Dart could likely go well earlier in the 1st round...might not be able to trade up that high.

Milroe had a much better 2023 season then after the coaching change in 2024. He's got **** footwork and is certainly a huge project but you certainly can be sucked into his physical traits.

I'm fascinated by what they come up with during the draft. It certainly will calm my nerves a bit taking a big risk in round 2 if they get a blue chipper at #3.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Dart probably doesn’t make it past Pitt in the first and will be tough to trade up that high. We probably have to take a chance on Milroe or Shough in the 2nd if we want a qb and pass on sanders. Don’t know how those guys will pan out. With the success of Hurts and Lamar someone will take a chance on Milroe before round 3 imo.

[GONYK]

In regards to Dart, when has Lane Kiffin ever produced a good NFL QB?

Half of his completions are for passes under 3 yards. He's a metrics darling, but if you filter the metrics for passes over 5 yards, they go waaaaay down. Most of his production is one read, quick throws.

The guy has started 40+ games and still doesn't seem to know how to read a secondary. He's like Anthony Richardson when it comes to diagnosing a defense, despite having way more experience.

Now, he's got tools and has made some real nice throws under pressure here and there, but there's no way he's seeing an NFL field any time soon.

Plus, the dude cried in Joe Judge's lap after throwing 3 picks in a minute. And he sulks in his pressers. I don't think he's built for NY.

Say what you want about Milroe, but he has an elite NFL skill. If he has a year or two to iron out the mechanics, there could be something there and that's a solid day 2 gamble. But he'll always have his elite running. They could put some packages together for him and he'd be making plays for us with his legs tomorrow. None of the other potential later round guys have a bankable elite skill. Plus he has a cannon, albeit an inaccurate one.

If Milroe is too risky, Shough has put better tape out there than Dart.

The smartest move might be to opt out of drafting a QB at all this year. There's no reason we have to.

[mpharris36]

In regards to Dart, when has Lane Kiffin ever produced a good NFL QB?

Half of his completions are for passes under 3 yards. He's a metrics darling, but if you filter the metrics for passes over 5 yards, they go waaaaay down. Most of his production is one read, quick throws.

The guy has started 40+ games and still doesn't seem to know how to read a secondary. He's like Anthony Richardson when it comes to diagnosing a defense, despite having way more experience.

Now, he's got tools and has made some real nice throws under pressure here and there, but there's no way he's seeing an NFL field any time soon.

Plus, the dude cried in Joe Judge's lap after throwing 3 picks in a minute. And he sulks in his pressers. I don't think he's built for NY.

Say what you want about Milroe, but he has an elite NFL skill. If he has a year or two to iron out the mechanics, there could be something there and that's a solid day 2 gamble. But he'll always have his elite running. None of the other potential later round guys have a bankable elite skill. Plus he has a cannon, albeit an inaccurate one.

If Milroe is too risky, Shough has put better tape out there than Dart.

The smartest move might be to opt out of drafting a QB at all this year. There's no reason we have to.

My guess to appease Mara and the fan base desperate for a young QB (even if you are level headed my guess there are a lot of other fans who aren't) they will be a QB drafted at some point.

I'm with you on dart. He makes some really nice throws but Kiffin seemed to scheme so much for him. Very one read type offense so I would have concerns. But he's going to impress on a pro day because he has good measurables and a nice arm.

As far as Milroe goes it's a shot in the dark but many say his legs elite trait is Vick/Lamar like that alone is interesting. And he has a cannon it's just the rest of his game is raw. Do you take the risk likely have to be in round 2 and pass up a day one starter on the line likely that can help? I wouldn't but not sure the regime has the same grace.

We shall see.

[TerrenceClarke]

It doesn’t matter how bad people think Dart is. Milroe is worst. I personally don’t care about either but ain’t dude on this planet can tell me Dart isn’t the better QB prospect out of the two. Damn near Every evaluator ranks Milroe as worst. The only reason I even brought up Dart was there was talk of chasing Milroe when he is the worst of the two by far. I have not talked about Dart this whole process So that tells you what I think of him. But Gun to my Head I picking him over Milroe any day of the week.

Dude is on a Malik Willis level (prob worse) and he was not drafted till the 86th pick.

Yall gassing yall selves up if you think Milroe is a starting QB. I mean yall the same dudes that were championing Daniel Jones so I can’t trust yall in QB evaluation.yall gonna have to wear that L for a while. Sorry fellas.

We better off punting on QB if we don’t go SS. they both can kick rocks. Milroe is 22 and still sucks at QB. His only elite skill is he is an athlete. Like be serious here. The nuance of playing QB isn’t there at all.

Yall talking about not jumping out the window for SS but will spend assets to come back for Milroe or take him at the top of the second when he is not BPA? This reeks of desperation. if Dude was there in third then fine. But anything else is pressing for nothing.

We don’t have a stable coaching situation, but you want a QB who 20000% needs a stable situation plus someone to dedicate a schit load of time to, and even then it’s not enough since this dude is ground zero for actual Quarterbacking skills?

As I said earlier I would rather simply convert him into a RB. Thats where he would be nasty at with his frame.

If we drafted Ward. He is not worst QB on the roster. If we drafted SS he would not be the worst QB on the roster. Milroe would be in the running for worst QB on the roster. Nasty work.

Daboll does not have the time to invest in Milroe like that this year and yall know that. Only thing he focused on is winning games.

If our offense is going to be the wildcat. Then he is your guy lol.


The only reason why they would pick Milroe high is to say. “Look we picked a QB” that’s it. His QB development will be an after thought.

[3toheadmelo]

It doesn’t matter how bad people think Dart is. Milroe is worst. I personally don’t care about either but ain’t dude on this planet can tell me Dart isn’t the better QB prospect out of the two. Damn near Every evaluator ranks Milroe as worst. The only reason I even brought up Dart was there was talk of chasing Milroe when he is the worst of the two by far. I have not talked about Dart this whole process So that tells you what I think of him. But Gun to my Head I picking him over Milroe any day of the week.

Dude is on a Malik Willis level (prob worse) and he was not drafted till the 86th pick.

Yall gassing yall selves up if you think Milroe is a starting QB. I mean yall the same dudes that were championing Daniel Jones so I can’t trust yall in QB evaluation.yall gonna have to wear that L for a while. Sorry fellas.

We better off punting on QB if we don’t go SS. they both can kick rocks. Milroe is 22 and still sucks at QB. His only elite skill is he is an athlete. Like be serious here. The nuance of playing QB isn’t there at all.

Yall talking about not jumping out the window for SS but will spend assets to come back for Milroe or take him at the top of the second when he is not BPA? This reeks of desperation. if Dude was there in third then fine. But anything else is pressing for nothing.

We don’t have a stable coaching situation, but you want a QB who 20000% needs a stable situation plus someone to dedicate a schit load of time to, and even then it’s not enough since this dude is ground zero for actual Quarterbacking skills?

As I said earlier I would rather simply convert him into a RB. Thats where he would be nasty at with his frame.

If we drafted Ward. He is not worst QB on the roster. If we drafted SS he would not be the worst QB on the roster. Milroe would be in the running for worst QB on the roster. Nasty work.

Daboll does not have the time to invest in Milroe like that this year and yall know that. Only thing he focused on is winning games.

If our offense is going to be the wildcat. Then he is your guy lol.


The only reason why they would pick Milroe high is to say. “Look we picked a QB” that’s it. His QB development will be an after thought.

[3toheadmelo]

I really just want us to end up with shedeur or Travis since they’re the only players I actually watched and it sounds like we’re getting neither

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No disrespect to Carter, I’m just not familiar with his game

[TerrenceClarke]

I really just want us to end up with shedeur or Travis since they’re the only players I actually watched and it sounds like we’re getting neither

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No disrespect to Carter, I’m just not familiar with his game

You picked a bad time to become a Giants fan. You will be ight tho. You used to pain as a Knick Fan lol.

[3toheadmelo]

I really just want us to end up with shedeur or Travis since they’re the only players I actually watched and it sounds like we’re getting neither

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No disrespect to Carter, I’m just not familiar with his game

You picked a bad time to become a Giants fan. You will be ight tho. You used to pain as a Knick Fan lol.

It’s a good thing I’m a casual fan so I’m not too invested in this sht lol