Josh Giddey - Conundrum Killer

[MissileMike]

I like Kumana's ceiling more than Giddeys probably but he's clearly delusional. If you're butting heads on a team with Kerr/Steph then you're likely going to be a headache anywhere.

I liked Giddey a ton more a month ago when he was 20-25 a year. At the end of the day i like his playmaking and size so much that i would be ok for 4 and 120. But man oh man, he really needs to strive to improve as a defender. He's ever going to shut his guy down but the last 3 games i've watched have been pretty pathetic even from an effort level.

Not running back in transition/late on rotations costs your team lots of points fast in todays modern NBA. Not nearly as humiliating as getting blown by on the perimeter over and over again I don't think casuals understand how damaging guys like Giddey/Lavine can be structurally to your defense. We need an Ime or Thibs as our head coach really badly.

Kuminga will not have a better career than Giddey.

I hope the nets disagree.

[Chi town]

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[MrSparkle]

Giddey is a bit of an enigma, but you can’t say his ceiling is dismissible after this season. He’s almost averaging a triple-double while having positive BPMs on both ends on a sub-500 team.

Kuminga is a fringe net-negative/neutral on a winning team. His percentages kinda suck. This said he’s been a project. When he’s on, he’s a star caliber 2-way wing. Could be a Barnes, Marvin, Aminu type of journey-man tweener… short peak. But his on-ball skills have improved. Who knows- could be very different in a #1 role. Higher volume, more confidence. Just don’t think he’s worth big money based on his 4y rookie contract.

Giddey’s got his risks. I still think ankle/knee health and athleticism are the biggest ones, despite not having had a major injury yet. His running gait and hops look risky. He’s only 22, but he moves like Brad Miller at the end of his career. His skill set (sans 3P shooting) is elite, though. And Jokic (and Luka) defied all odds for their weight and lateral foot-speed. Difference being those were iso shooting/scoring machines on top of everything.

[sco]

Giddey is a bit of an enigma, but you can’t say his ceiling is dismissible after this season. He’s almost averaging a triple-double while having positive BPMs on both ends on a sub-500 team.

Kuminga is a fringe net-negative/neutral on a winning team. His percentages kinda suck. This said he’s been a project. When he’s on, he’s a star caliber 2-way wing. Could be a Barnes, Marvin, Aminu type of journey-man tweener… short peak. But his on-ball skills have improved. Who knows- could be very different in a #1 role. Higher volume, more confidence. Just don’t think he’s worth big money based on his 4y rookie contract.

Giddey’s got his risks. I still think ankle/knee health and athleticism are the biggest ones, despite not having had a major injury yet. His running gait and hops look risky. He’s only 22, but he moves like Brad Miller at the end of his career. His skill set (sans 3P shooting) is elite, though. And Jokic (and Luka) defied all odds for their weight and lateral foot-speed. Difference being those were iso shooting/scoring machines on top of everything.

I know he plays physical, but I like that his game is not about juking or jumping. It's north/south/ground-bound, which IMO bodes better for staying healthy.

[WindyCityBorn]

Giddey is a bit of an enigma, but you can’t say his ceiling is dismissible after this season. He’s almost averaging a triple-double while having positive BPMs on both ends on a sub-500 team.

Kuminga is a fringe net-negative/neutral on a winning team. His percentages kinda suck. This said he’s been a project. When he’s on, he’s a star caliber 2-way wing. Could be a Barnes, Marvin, Aminu type of journey-man tweener… short peak. But his on-ball skills have improved. Who knows- could be very different in a #1 role. Higher volume, more confidence. Just don’t think he’s worth big money based on his 4y rookie contract.

Giddey’s got his risks. I still think ankle/knee health and athleticism are the biggest ones, despite not having had a major injury yet. His running gait and hops look risky. He’s only 22, but he moves like Brad Miller at the end of his career. His skill set (sans 3P shooting) is elite, though. And Jokic (and Luka) defied all odds for their weight and lateral foot-speed. Difference being those were iso shooting/scoring machines on top of everything.

The last thing I would consider Giddey is a major injury risk. Guy has been incredibly durable so far. Every basketball player going to have ankle and knee injuries. Landing on someone’s foot 70 games into the season doesn’t make you injury prone.

[MrSparkle]

Giddey is a bit of an enigma, but you can’t say his ceiling is dismissible after this season. He’s almost averaging a triple-double while having positive BPMs on both ends on a sub-500 team.

Kuminga is a fringe net-negative/neutral on a winning team. His percentages kinda suck. This said he’s been a project. When he’s on, he’s a star caliber 2-way wing. Could be a Barnes, Marvin, Aminu type of journey-man tweener… short peak. But his on-ball skills have improved. Who knows- could be very different in a #1 role. Higher volume, more confidence. Just don’t think he’s worth big money based on his 4y rookie contract.

Giddey’s got his risks. I still think ankle/knee health and athleticism are the biggest ones, despite not having had a major injury yet. His running gait and hops look risky. He’s only 22, but he moves like Brad Miller at the end of his career. His skill set (sans 3P shooting) is elite, though. And Jokic (and Luka) defied all odds for their weight and lateral foot-speed. Difference being those were iso shooting/scoring machines on top of everything.

The last thing I would consider Giddey is a major injury risk. Guy has been incredibly durable so far. Every basketball player going to have ankle and knee injuries. Landing on someone’s foot 70 games into the season doesn’t make you injury prone.

Eh. I dunno. This was literally the first game I ever watched of his (I tuned in). Maybe it made a lasting impression:

https://youtu.be/pEMD1RE8Zng?si=w40rt3SWD6mFs-Jw

Didn’t help that he also hurt himself badly on a drive in the Olympics.

[nomorezorro]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

[Dez]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

Yes.

[NecessaryEvil]

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lol

[WindyCityBorn]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

Yes.

Even on bad shooting nights he is dropping videogame level triple doubles.

[kodo]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

15/19/12 on a bad night is pretty much insanity. Only two players have achieved those #s, one won MVP the other is Luka.
If that's your off night, you might be worth the same salary as Jerami Grant.

[Chi town]

Giddey’s competitiveness and constant movement with his elite IQ truly cover for his weaknesses.

Imagine the 3 ball keeps improving with volume.
Imagine the handle takes a step like Coby’s has
Imagine Bulls get a lob threat at C


We are looking at a truly elite offensive engine that gives his team an identity (Running, Passing, 3s) and makes everyone better like True PGs do.

Only have one question left for Giddey…

How can he play better against great athletes? He only struggles when he plays elite athletes that play physical.

[Houston_Bulls]

I am 100% on the Giddey hype train. This guy is a winner. He's extremely resilient. The fact that he can immediately recover from being benched and traded to playing at an All-Star level proves it. He also improved his shot, which proves that he actually works on his game.

The only real concern with Giddey is his injuries, but it isn't a huge concern.

[Jahensle]

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lol

I would love to resign Huerter to an extension. Just wondering what that number would look like. I believe he is currently making like 17 million. 4 / 60 seems like something he might be willing to take after his downtrend in SAC. Similarly, getting Collins back as our backup C for the foreseeable future at a lower number. Would be a solid backup to whatever big we draft this year (assuming we draft a big).

[cocktailswith_2short]

Red velvet looks happy to be a bull I think he stays with us on a reasonable deal . He fits the timeline for the team and seems to have good chemistry with our guys.

[PJSteven22]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

Yes.

We won’t know until the postseason, it’s looks promising.

[MrSparkle]

Thinking this over… Brooklyn has over $100M to spend, 0.1% win-(chip)-now aspirations as a young team, an incoming top-7 pick, an Australian GM (who has pursued several Aussies): Mills, Simmons, technically Kyrie… and nothing to lose. Giddey is borderline averaging a triple-double.

I think unless Nets draft a full-time playmaker (namely Harper… VJ, Kasparas to a lesser extent), I’m about 90% expecting them to make that $166M/4Y max offer to Giddey. Which wouldn’t be the end of the world to match (better than giving him the $224M/5Y extension with larger raises). But it’s starting to feel like that max offer is Giddey’s to lose. He really raised his stock last month, and I can’t think of 1 other team in the NBA as potentially interested/fitting as Brooklyn.

[Jcool0]

Boys are white as wonder bread but they can hoop!

lol

I would love to resign Huerter to an extension. Just wondering what that number would look like. I believe he is currently making like 17 million. 4 / 60 seems like something he might be willing to take after his downtrend in SAC. Similarly, getting Collins back as our backup C for the foreseeable future at a lower number. Would be a solid backup to whatever big we draft this year (assuming we draft a big).

Alex Caruso just signed for 4/81. So if Huerter stays at his currently level that will be what he is looking for. I am guessing the Bulls will let him walk.

[DuckIII]

are we sure that coundrum is dead

Yes.

We won’t know until the postseason, it’s looks promising.

Why? That will likely be 1-6 games. Why would that matter more than 30 games? I’m not saying it’s irrelevant. But the notion that somehow what we’ve seen doesn’t really count or something until we see how he plays in a few postseason games with a woefully incomplete roster doesn’t land.

[MGB8]

Thinking this over… Brooklyn has over $100M to spend, 0.1% win-(chip)-now aspirations as a young team, an incoming top-7 pick, an Australian GM (who has pursued several Aussies): Mills, Simmons, technically Kyrie… and nothing to lose. Giddey is borderline averaging a triple-double.

I think unless Nets draft a full-time playmaker (namely Harper… VJ, Kasparas to a lesser extent), I’m about 90% expecting them to make that $166M/4Y max offer to Giddey. Which wouldn’t be the end of the world to match (better than giving him the $224M/5Y extension with larger raises). But it’s starting to feel like that max offer is Giddey’s to lose. He really raised his stock last month, and I can’t think of 1 other team in the NBA as potentially interested/fitting as Brooklyn.

I doubt it. Not that Giddey wouldn’t fit with Cam Thomas and Cam Johnson - he would. But I also don’t think he would make them a top 4 team in the East. Brooklyn seems to be looking for a complete rebuild, having moved current assets for future ones. They tried to move Cam Johnson, too, but didn’t get a good enough offer. I think Brooklyn is looking for “the guy,” and while I like Giddey, I don’t view him as a legit “the guy” candidate. Don’t forget that Cam Thomas is going to get a big raise - as a guy putting up stats better than Coby’s over the course of a season, and putting up similar level stats for 2 years in a row (and two years younger than Coby).

Don’t forget that the 2nd apron really makes “bad” Max contracts hurt. A lot. Hence Brandon Ingram traded for pennies, and Zach despite rehabbing himself similarly traded for little.

I mean, who knows - they may decide that Giddey-Cam-Cam-Claxton-draft pick wing or guard plus maybe resigned Zaire Williams is the group they want to build around. But like with the Bulls, we’re talking about a group that gives you a punchers chance, at best. Bulls hopes for anything more than play in / low seed are based on Matas exploding. Meanwhile, Cam Johnson is older than Lonzo Ball…