NBA Trade Thread #12

[sco]

I wonder if DEN flounders if they'd be interested in and able to take on Vuc? Not sure how much of their salary comes off the books, but they seem very top heavy in their big 4. Maybe they don't want to keep Porter on his deal. Wonder if we could send Vuc, Pat and Ayo for Porter? Porter doesn't solve any problems for us and he's expensive, but he's a good shooter and could rid us of Vuc and PWill.

[ChettheJet]

I'd still aim for Jarrett Allen CLE, signed for the long term.

CLE has Garland, Mitchell, Mobley signed to BIG contracts, Hunter long term, even Struss locked in. They're going to be knocking on a few cap tiers. So cutting down some payroll has got to be part of their plan. They can trade Allen to get back an either lower priced or shorter length PF to make a run for the next couple of years.

No the Bulls don't have a PF for the Cavs, they barely have one of their own. So look for a third team, even a fourth to be in the mix, that has that PF for CLE but is interested in some of the Bulls' expiring contracts to fit when they have to pay some of their core.

The Bulls move Vuc for a SF, Collins backs up Allen, Smith can come off the bench at the 4 and 5.

[PJSteven22]

What does Memphis say if we call up with the following offer:

Ja for Coby, Lonzo, & our 2025 1st?

Maybe they hang up the phone or maybe they want to move on from Ja and give it some thought. People forget Coby & Ja are the same age. Sure Ja has the higher ceiling but Coby has been able to stay on the floor more consistently and shown promise, especially without Zach. Taking games played into account, its not at all a stretch to say Coby has had the better season this year.

Not as important but Memphis also expressed Lonzo interest at the deadline.

The proposal might not be as far off as people think.

Also wonder if we actually could work up a reasonable offer for Zion.

I think Ja and Zion will be far more available this offseason than people think, and we should offer anyone except Matas in a deal. Some times a change of scenery is best case for a young guy and Ja and Zion are definitely in that camp.

The new CBA will force teams to make superstar players available if they arent willing to commit $200-300M+ guaranteed to them, as seen with the Luka trade.

Ja and Giddey fit terribly together.

[Jcool0]

I'd still aim for Jarrett Allen CLE, signed for the long term.

CLE has Garland, Mitchell, Mobley signed to BIG contracts, Hunter long term, even Struss locked in. They're going to be knocking on a few cap tiers. So cutting down some payroll has got to be part of their plan. They can trade Allen to get back an either lower priced or shorter length PF to make a run for the next couple of years.

No the Bulls don't have a PF for the Cavs, they barely have one of their own. So look for a third team, even a fourth to be in the mix, that has that PF for CLE but is interested in some of the Bulls' expiring contracts to fit when they have to pay some of their core.

The Bulls move Vuc for a SF, Collins backs up Allen, Smith can come off the bench at the 4 and 5.

Very good but not star player, he will be 28 next season, whose salary jumps to 30M next year & Cleveland wont just be giving him away. So if Coby and Giddey are also big money guys your all in piece is a 14/9 center. Its a realistic move but kind of caps your ceiling as a team unless Matas makes a big jump.

[pipfan]

I posted Vuc/PWill/JCarter/#11 pick/Port pick/2027 unprotected 1st for Lauri

I REALLY like this team
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/Smith
Terry as 11th man

that's a fun team. Not a contender, but Giddey would have TONS of targets and Lauri is wasting away in Utah
This assumes Utah doesn't get Flagg

[Dan Z]

He will be 28 next season, making 45+M for the next 4 seasons and would get the Bulls no closer to a title.

He would definitely improve this team, but nobody they get this off season will make them championship contenders.

I agree that his contract is a concern. The trade suggested on the trade board had the Bulls giving up Patrick Williams, Vucevic and picks for him. Vuc has one year left on his deal and PW gets paid 18 million a year for the next 4.

I'm not saying the Bulls should trade for Markkanen, but it's an interesting idea. Realistically I don't think AK will consider him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went after someone else such as Sabonis.

1. Adding talent almost always improves things. How much is the question. Lauri at his best with the Jazz not in full tank mode got them 37 wins.

2. What are the Bulls giving up? Coby for Markkanen swap? 3 1sts and Ayo + Williams? Ainge likes maximum returns.

3. Much like the questions with Giddey. How effective is Lauri if he isn't the #1 option. Are you okay with a 17/7 Markkanen as a 2nd option making over 50M by year 4?

4. I couldn't think of a worse move then Sabonis and i'm worried AK is banking on it.

When Markkanen first came to the Jazz they were a surprise and won games. Ainge saw that and decided to start tanking which is why they only won 37 that year. I'm sure if you look up the early part of that season you'll see what happened. And they've continued to tank every year.

Markkanen doesn't have to be the #1 option to be effective. That's not how his game is. Plus, Giddey will set him up for good looks.

[Dan Z]

I posted Vuc/PWill/JCarter/#11 pick/Port pick/2027 unprotected 1st for Lauri

I REALLY like this team
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/Smith
Terry as 11th man

that's a fun team. Not a contender, but Giddey would have TONS of targets and Lauri is wasting away in Utah
This assumes Utah doesn't get Flagg

That's the trade I've been referencing, but didn't want to directly mention it because I wanted to get an idea what people thought about going after Markkanen. On the trade board I was surprised at how many Jazz fans liked the deal.

I understand the concerns about Markkanen's contract and don't think AK should trade away future picks. However, will AK really build through the draft? He had no interest in maximizing the draft spot this year and I'm sure he'll be the same way going forward.

I know the argument against this will be that the Bulls will gradually get better by keeping their picks and cap space. I don't really think cap space will do much because of the way free agency has been in recent years (with top players re-signing with their teams and then asking to be traded), but it's always good to have (even though AK isn't likely to leverage cap space by taking on a bad contract to acquire assets, much like OKC has done in the past).

I know some people have talked about AK making a move for a veteran like Sabonis. Would that be a better option? I bet Sabonis will cost more (in assets).

[Jcool0]

He would definitely improve this team, but nobody they get this off season will make them championship contenders.

I agree that his contract is a concern. The trade suggested on the trade board had the Bulls giving up Patrick Williams, Vucevic and picks for him. Vuc has one year left on his deal and PW gets paid 18 million a year for the next 4.

I'm not saying the Bulls should trade for Markkanen, but it's an interesting idea. Realistically I don't think AK will consider him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he went after someone else such as Sabonis.

1. Adding talent almost always improves things. How much is the question. Lauri at his best with the Jazz not in full tank mode got them 37 wins.

2. What are the Bulls giving up? Coby for Markkanen swap? 3 1sts and Ayo + Williams? Ainge likes maximum returns.

3. Much like the questions with Giddey. How effective is Lauri if he isn't the #1 option. Are you okay with a 17/7 Markkanen as a 2nd option making over 50M by year 4?

4. I couldn't think of a worse move then Sabonis and i'm worried AK is banking on it.

When Markkanen first came to the Jazz they were a surprise and won games. Ainge saw that and decided to start tanking which is why they only won 37 that year. I'm sure if you look up the early part of that season you'll see what happened. And they've continued to tank every year.

Markkanen doesn't have to be the #1 option to be effective. That's not how his game is. Plus, Giddey will set him up for good looks.

Jazz started off 10-3 with a brand new coach and out of no where 25/8 player and went 27–42 after that. You dont decide to tank after 13 games. Markkanen has only really been effective as a #1 in Utah and for a few months here and here for Cleveland and Chicago. So he will be getting 40M+ per season and i guess you are okay paying that for Kevin Love level production for a at best fringe contender.

[Dan Z]

1. Adding talent almost always improves things. How much is the question. Lauri at his best with the Jazz not in full tank mode got them 37 wins.

2. What are the Bulls giving up? Coby for Markkanen swap? 3 1sts and Ayo + Williams? Ainge likes maximum returns.

3. Much like the questions with Giddey. How effective is Lauri if he isn't the #1 option. Are you okay with a 17/7 Markkanen as a 2nd option making over 50M by year 4?

4. I couldn't think of a worse move then Sabonis and i'm worried AK is banking on it.

When Markkanen first came to the Jazz they were a surprise and won games. Ainge saw that and decided to start tanking which is why they only won 37 that year. I'm sure if you look up the early part of that season you'll see what happened. And they've continued to tank every year.

Markkanen doesn't have to be the #1 option to be effective. That's not how his game is. Plus, Giddey will set him up for good looks.

Jazz started off 10-3 with a brand new coach and out of no where 25/8 player and went 27–42 after that. You dont decide to tank after 13 games. Markkanen has only really been effective as a #1 in Utah and for a few months here and here for Cleveland and Chicago. So he will be getting 40M+ per season and i guess you are okay paying that for Kevin Love level production for a at best fringe contender.

You don't think they win more than 37 games that year if they continued to try and win? I'm not suggesting they'd e a top team in the West, but I bet they'd be a lot better. Ainge never wanted them to even start off like they did. The whole point of trading Mitchell/Gobert was to start a rebuild and do it with top draft picks.

I know Markkanen is a player who has his flaws, but I do think he'd fit this team well offensively (defensively...who knows). Like I've said before...I'm not completely sold on the idea because I'm hesitant to say AK should trade picks (especially after the disaster that was the Vucevic trade).

What do you think AK should do going forward?

[sco]

When Markkanen first came to the Jazz they were a surprise and won games. Ainge saw that and decided to start tanking which is why they only won 37 that year. I'm sure if you look up the early part of that season you'll see what happened. And they've continued to tank every year.

Markkanen doesn't have to be the #1 option to be effective. That's not how his game is. Plus, Giddey will set him up for good looks.

Jazz started off 10-3 with a brand new coach and out of no where 25/8 player and went 27–42 after that. You dont decide to tank after 13 games. Markkanen has only really been effective as a #1 in Utah and for a few months here and here for Cleveland and Chicago. So he will be getting 40M+ per season and i guess you are okay paying that for Kevin Love level production for a at best fringe contender.

You don't think they win more than 37 games that year if they continued to try and win? I'm not suggesting they'd e a top team in the West, but I bet they'd be a lot better. Ainge never wanted them to even start off like they did. The whole point of trading Mitchell/Gobert was to start a rebuild and do it with top draft picks.

I know Markkanen is a player who has his flaws, but I do think he'd fit this team well offensively (defensively...who knows). Like I've said before...I'm not completely sold on the idea because I'm hesitant to say AK should trade picks (especially after the disaster that was the Vucevic trade).

What do you think AK should do going forward?

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

[Dan Z]

Jazz started off 10-3 with a brand new coach and out of no where 25/8 player and went 27–42 after that. You dont decide to tank after 13 games. Markkanen has only really been effective as a #1 in Utah and for a few months here and here for Cleveland and Chicago. So he will be getting 40M+ per season and i guess you are okay paying that for Kevin Love level production for a at best fringe contender.

You don't think they win more than 37 games that year if they continued to try and win? I'm not suggesting they'd e a top team in the West, but I bet they'd be a lot better. Ainge never wanted them to even start off like they did. The whole point of trading Mitchell/Gobert was to start a rebuild and do it with top draft picks.

I know Markkanen is a player who has his flaws, but I do think he'd fit this team well offensively (defensively...who knows). Like I've said before...I'm not completely sold on the idea because I'm hesitant to say AK should trade picks (especially after the disaster that was the Vucevic trade).

What do you think AK should do going forward?

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

[sco]

You don't think they win more than 37 games that year if they continued to try and win? I'm not suggesting they'd e a top team in the West, but I bet they'd be a lot better. Ainge never wanted them to even start off like they did. The whole point of trading Mitchell/Gobert was to start a rebuild and do it with top draft picks.

I know Markkanen is a player who has his flaws, but I do think he'd fit this team well offensively (defensively...who knows). Like I've said before...I'm not completely sold on the idea because I'm hesitant to say AK should trade picks (especially after the disaster that was the Vucevic trade).

What do you think AK should do going forward?

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

I'm sure they could co-exist, but I do worry about messing up Giddey's and Coby's newly found aggressive mojo's as well.

[Dan Z]

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

I'm sure they could co-exist, but I do worry about messing up Giddey's and Coby's newly found aggressive mojo's as well.

Even with their new found mojo the team needs more talent. Hopefully AK makes the right pick in the draft.

[sco]

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

I'm sure they could co-exist, but I do worry about messing up Giddey's and Coby's newly found aggressive mojo's as well.

Even with their new found mojo the team needs more talent. Hopefully AK makes the right pick in the draft.

That's an interesting point. I will say we definitely need another really good player or two. That said, I think jobs 1&2 should be keeping Giddey and Coby at their new-found "levels", and developing Matas next season.

[Dan Z]

I'm sure they could co-exist, but I do worry about messing up Giddey's and Coby's newly found aggressive mojo's as well.

Even with their new found mojo the team needs more talent. Hopefully AK makes the right pick in the draft.

That's an interesting point. I will say we definitely need another really good player or two. That said, I think jobs 1&2 should be keeping Giddey and Coby at their new-found "levels", and developing Matas next season.

I think that's what AK will do next season. Beyond that I have no idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if he trades the pick, but maybe it's best if he just drafts BPA and goes from there.

[dawhizz]

You don't think they win more than 37 games that year if they continued to try and win? I'm not suggesting they'd e a top team in the West, but I bet they'd be a lot better. Ainge never wanted them to even start off like they did. The whole point of trading Mitchell/Gobert was to start a rebuild and do it with top draft picks.

I know Markkanen is a player who has his flaws, but I do think he'd fit this team well offensively (defensively...who knows). Like I've said before...I'm not completely sold on the idea because I'm hesitant to say AK should trade picks (especially after the disaster that was the Vucevic trade).

What do you think AK should do going forward?

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

I’ve mentioned this before, but what about Clint Capela? I think he’s a free agent and I’m not sure what kind of contract he would be looking for, but strictly as a rebounder/rim protector/lob guy he would seem to be the anti-Vuc. He seems to have lost his starting spot with Atlanta so I doubt he goes back there. Then again, maybe he’s not even an upgrade from Collins at this point, I don’t know.

[Dan Z]

My sense is that neither the Bulls nor Lauri would want it to happen (not that Lauri has much say). I think that AK is a guy who doesn't EVER admit his mistakes, which this trade would be doing. Moreover, I wouldn't want to add a guy who would push Matas down in pecking order next season...to develop, he needs to be taking more shots, not fewer. Lastly, if I'm spending my limited remaining assets to bring in a guy, I'd prioritize a defensively elite C (like Mitchel Robinson just as an example) over another offensive guy.

That's fair, but I do think Matas and Lauri could co-exist. Especially with Giddey passing them the ball.

I agree that a defensive C would be good for this team, but I'm not sure who that is.

I’ve mentioned this before, but what about Clint Capela? I think he’s a free agent and I’m not sure what kind of contract he would be looking for, but strictly as a rebounder/rim protector/lob guy he would seem to be the anti-Vuc. He seems to have lost his starting spot with Atlanta so I doubt he goes back there. Then again, maybe he’s not even an upgrade from Collins at this point, I don’t know.

I haven't watched him lately, but I think he's been declining over the years...? Also, there was a rumor that Atlanta offered him for Vucevic and the Bulls said no.

The other issue is roster space. The Bulls can't sign Capela and then have 4 centers on the roster.

[pipfan]

How do we get a 2nd first round pick? Lots of interesting big men that are projected from 18-25. I like Wolf a lot from Michigan, and maybe Newell slips? GTown and St. Joseph's have good looking kids too

The think with Lauri is, he's solid on D, he's a HUGE target for Giddey, runs the break well and he spreads the floor. We'd be a BIG team with
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/Smith

That's a lot of size and shooting

[sco]

How do we get a 2nd first round pick? Lots of interesting big men that are projected from 18-25. I like Wolf a lot from Michigan, and maybe Newell slips? GTown and St. Joseph's have good looking kids too

The think with Lauri is, he's solid on D, he's a HUGE target for Giddey, runs the break well and he spreads the floor. We'd be a BIG team with
White/Ayo
Giddey/Ball
Matas/Huerter
Lauri/Phillips
Collins/Smith

That's a lot of size and shooting

I do like a number of guys near the end of the 1st, but I think we'd have trouble with roster size. As it stands, we'd need to trade or buy-out someone like Carter (if he opts in), just to create a roster spot for Jones, if we keep him.

[Dan Z]

I wonder if DEN flounders if they'd be interested in and able to take on Vuc? Not sure how much of their salary comes off the books, but they seem very top heavy in their big 4. Maybe they don't want to keep Porter on his deal. Wonder if we could send Vuc, Pat and Ayo for Porter? Porter doesn't solve any problems for us and he's expensive, but he's a good shooter and could rid us of Vuc and PWill.

It's an interesting idea because it consolidates what the Bulls have for someone who would be a contributor. But for that same reason Denver would probably say no.