Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan

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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#81 » by OhayoKD » Tue Apr 8, 2025 4:29 am

And on another note, I'd like to know how he defines a primary paint protector to begin with.

Presumably factors similar to what I use (this list is a more fleshed out version of what I mentioned when top10 asked what I looked at):
-> Time spent in the paint, relative to teammates
-> Time spent near the basket, relative to teammates
-> Distance near basket and the paint relative to teammates
-> Role in securing or trying to secure your team rebounds
-> Actions that occur when you're the last man between the ball-handler and the basket
-> Time spent as the last man between the ball-handler and the basket (especially prevalent with post-ups)
-> Deterred or potentially deterred drives
-> Deterred or potentially deterred interior passes
-> How you affect the movements of bigs (ex: vacating the paint when you arrive?)
-> Time left on an island inside the paint or near the basket
-> Strong-side or weakside contests/challenges (for usage specifically whether the person is placed in to attempt a challenge. Failing to offer anything
when you are positioned where you need to offer something gets you an ineffective)
-> Pulling away potential offensive rebounders (I've noticed this once but it seemed worth inputting)

For leeway people can also be afforded "co-primary" if the watcher doesn't feel there's a clear difference or multiple players are used more than you'd expect of a typical possession for a primary paint-protector.

For the most part, only 1 or two if any of the things listed above happen in a possession so it's usually pretty simple to tell if someone is worthy of a PP. If multiple players face a bunch of the stuff above (this almost never happens) I give them both one.
I prefer tracking hard objective data which while it may not be super granular, is both reproducible and easy to interpret.

1. Nothing in that list of yours was objective.
2. You proceed to immediately contradict yourself:
What you also don't seem to realize is that defense is team based, both personnel and tactics-wise. What is deemed an effective or ineffective play is thus highly subjective and depends on which lens you're looking at it i.e. from a vantage point of an average team vs. the particular team a player is playing on. There is also a range of effectiveness. Plays can be extremely effective, very effective, somewhat effective etc.

You value reproducibility and "hardness" yet criticize the method for not including a bunch of additional inputs which would inevitably make it harder to reproduce?

Djoker wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:..

Your post is missing the point.

No, you just conveniently omitted the rebuttal:
OhayoKD wrote:Here's a better test: what if two completely different people who are ideologically opposed on the player in question look at the same set of possessions?

(1993, game 3, rated "a" by Djoker)

Redmoon:
FWIW, here is an adjusted tally for Jordan if I count everything you highlighted as something that you think should have been credited (1 PP, 1 EPPD, 1 EPP) but wasn't.

Taking all these at face value Jordan goes from 2 to 3 EPPD boosting his per-possession average from .5 EPPD, to .75, goes from 5 PP to 6 giving boosting his PP-per-possession rate from .125 to .15., and goes from 0 EPP, to 1 EPP giving him a per-possession rate of 0.025

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During Jordan’s first 40 possessions, I gave him, 5 possessions as a primary or co-primary rim-protector of which he was deemed effective in 0 and ineffective in 1. Jordan also was given 11 possessions as a primary or co–primary perimeter defender, of which he was deemed effective in 2 and ineffective in 1. Additionally, MJ was given 3 Irrational Avoidances. This means per Possession, MJ averaged, 0.125 PPs, 0.00 EPPs, 0.025 IPPs, 0.275 PPDs, 0.05 EPPDs, 0.025 IPPDs, and 0.05 IAs.



Seems like it's more reproducible than you think.

Even with Redmoon deciding a weakside block all by itself was enough to mark Jordan as the primary despite Horace Grant spending the bulk of the possession inside and being the only man between the blocked attacker and the basket...

The difference was negligible. And now we have someone who recently thought Jordan was the #1 all-time peak reaching similar results. These excuses just aren't going to cut it anymore. Claims like the following just aren't tenable:
I voted Jordan over Oakley because he played 6 mpg more and Jordan is one of those exceptions who actually offered plenty of rim protection despite being a guard. 1.6 bpg is pretty indicative of that and he finished #14 in blocks that year but also from watching film of that season.

You've spent years hiding behind block averages to peddle the concept that guards are indistinguishable from wings. That's done. No error bar is saving you.

Top10alltime makes a distinction between primary paint protection and paint protection in general. Thus it seems he's not giving Jordan credit for providing paint protection (like the block I mentioned) on possessions where he isn't the primary paint protector.
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Top10alltime has given no one credit for paint-protection on possession where they aren't deemed the primary paint protector. And by now you should know that would benefit the Lebron's and the Pippen's and the Horace Grant's significantly more than it would benefit Michael Jordan.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#82 » by OhayoKD » Tue Apr 8, 2025 5:20 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I really don't know what we're trying to do here.

Better question: what are you trying to do here? You apparently have a problem with people posting film-tracking of a game and then address it by...ignoring what they tracked and throwing a bunch of box-stats the tracking was conducted in part to cover things those stats don't? Is this supposed to be a non-sequitur?

This is a game where he scored 33 points on 18 shots - 83.3% FG, 83.5% TS; where he dished 13 assists and had only 4 turnovers(a greater than 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio)

MJ averaging 13 assists while creating vastly less than games where the tracked player averaged 4 is not the defense you think it is:
This means per-possession Jordan had around .11 EDTOS.

During the first 40 possessions of game 1 of the 2007 finals, Lebron averaged, per possession:
.425 EDTOs

Like what else do you want him to do?

and where he grabbed 7 boards in addition to all of that

And now we're praising Jordan for waiting under the basket and catching freebies after his bigger teammates do the actual work of boxing out and fighting off potential rebounders?

And we're sitting here picking it apart trying to diminish it by any means possible.

You say of the poster who said he was great on offense and had MJ as the best offensive player ever one month ago? And by "any means possible" we mean using film instead of basketball reference.

Like, what else do you want him to do?

What else do we want of 91 Jordan, the #1 voted season of every existing iteration of the peaks project? Idk, probably not being a comically sub-22 year old Lebron playmaker and defender.

Speaking for myself of course because your indignation was in response to a post which doesn't make any comment other than "it was not as good as I thought" from a poster who had 91 MJ as the #1 peak of all-time recently and has no discernable bias towards or against Michael Jordan.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#83 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:10 pm

OhayoKD wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I really don't know what we're trying to do here.

Better question: what are you trying to do here? You apparently have a problem with people posting film-tracking of a game and then address it by...ignoring what they tracked and throwing a bunch of box-stats the tracking was conducted in part to cover things those stats don't? Is this supposed to be a non-sequitur?

This is a game where he scored 33 points on 18 shots - 83.3% FG, 83.5% TS; where he dished 13 assists and had only 4 turnovers(a greater than 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio)

MJ averaging 13 assists while creating vastly less than games where the tracked player averaged 4 is not the defense you think it is:
This means per-possession Jordan had around .11 EDTOS.

During the first 40 possessions of game 1 of the 2007 finals, Lebron averaged, per possession:
.425 EDTOs

Like what else do you want him to do?

and where he grabbed 7 boards in addition to all of that

And now we're praising Jordan for waiting under the basket and catching freebies after his bigger teammates do the actual work of boxing out and fighting off potential rebounders?

And we're sitting here picking it apart trying to diminish it by any means possible.

You say of the poster who said he was great on offense and had MJ as the best offensive player ever one month ago? And by "any means possible" we mean using film instead of basketball reference.

Like, what else do you want him to do?

What else do we want of 91 Jordan, the #1 voted season of every existing iteration of the peaks project? Idk, probably not being a comically sub-22 year old Lebron playmaker and defender.

Speaking for myself of course because your indignation was in response to a post which doesn't make any comment other than "it was not as good as I thought" from a poster who had 91 MJ as the #1 peak of all-time recently and has no discernable bias towards or against Michael Jordan.


I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of. These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity. And this isn't just about Jordan. If you recall, during that 1986 Bird/Hakeem debate, these tracking stats were used in defense of Hakeem(his creation, specifically) and I was very skeptical there too. I have said this before - I appreciate the time you guys put into this stuff, but i take the resulting numbers with a big grain of salt.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#84 » by lessthanjake » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:24 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I really don't know what we're trying to do here.

Better question: what are you trying to do here? You apparently have a problem with people posting film-tracking of a game and then address it by...ignoring what they tracked and throwing a bunch of box-stats the tracking was conducted in part to cover things those stats don't? Is this supposed to be a non-sequitur?

This is a game where he scored 33 points on 18 shots - 83.3% FG, 83.5% TS; where he dished 13 assists and had only 4 turnovers(a greater than 3:1 assist-to-turnover ratio)

MJ averaging 13 assists while creating vastly less than games where the tracked player averaged 4 is not the defense you think it is:
This means per-possession Jordan had around .11 EDTOS.

During the first 40 possessions of game 1 of the 2007 finals, Lebron averaged, per possession:
.425 EDTOs

Like what else do you want him to do?

and where he grabbed 7 boards in addition to all of that

And now we're praising Jordan for waiting under the basket and catching freebies after his bigger teammates do the actual work of boxing out and fighting off potential rebounders?

And we're sitting here picking it apart trying to diminish it by any means possible.

You say of the poster who said he was great on offense and had MJ as the best offensive player ever one month ago? And by "any means possible" we mean using film instead of basketball reference.

Like, what else do you want him to do?

What else do we want of 91 Jordan, the #1 voted season of every existing iteration of the peaks project? Idk, probably not being a comically sub-22 year old Lebron playmaker and defender.

Speaking for myself of course because your indignation was in response to a post which doesn't make any comment other than "it was not as good as I thought" from a poster who had 91 MJ as the #1 peak of all-time recently and has no discernable bias towards or against Michael Jordan.


I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of. These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity. And this isn't just about Jordan. If you recall, during that 1986 Bird/Hakeem debate, these tracking stats were used in defense of Hakeem(his creation, specifically) and I was very skeptical there too. I have said this before - I appreciate the time you guys put into this stuff, but i take the resulting numbers with a big grain of salt.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).


Regarding the bolded, Toptenalltime joined RealGM in January 2025 and only has like 30 total posts. They did not participate in the peaks project. That poster’s only posts about 1991 Jordan are in this thread in the last week.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#85 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:30 pm

lessthanjake wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:Better question: what are you trying to do here? You apparently have a problem with people posting film-tracking of a game and then address it by...ignoring what they tracked and throwing a bunch of box-stats the tracking was conducted in part to cover things those stats don't? Is this supposed to be a non-sequitur?


MJ averaging 13 assists while creating vastly less than games where the tracked player averaged 4 is not the defense you think it is:


Like what else do you want him to do?


And now we're praising Jordan for waiting under the basket and catching freebies after his bigger teammates do the actual work of boxing out and fighting off potential rebounders?


You say of the poster who said he was great on offense and had MJ as the best offensive player ever one month ago? And by "any means possible" we mean using film instead of basketball reference.


What else do we want of 91 Jordan, the #1 voted season of every existing iteration of the peaks project? Idk, probably not being a comically sub-22 year old Lebron playmaker and defender.

Speaking for myself of course because your indignation was in response to a post which doesn't make any comment other than "it was not as good as I thought" from a poster who had 91 MJ as the #1 peak of all-time recently and has no discernable bias towards or against Michael Jordan.


I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of. These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity. And this isn't just about Jordan. If you recall, during that 1986 Bird/Hakeem debate, these tracking stats were used in defense of Hakeem(his creation, specifically) and I was very skeptical there too. I have said this before - I appreciate the time you guys put into this stuff, but i take the resulting numbers with a big grain of salt.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).


Regarding the bolded, Toptenalltime joined RealGM in January 2025 and only has like 30 total posts. They did not participate in the peaks project. That poster’s only posts about 1991 Jordan are in this thread in the last week.


Oh, I was just going by what Ohayo said. Confused now.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#86 » by OhayoKD » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:39 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of.

You can be skeptical but "what are we trying to do here" should be easy enough to derive by reading the posts. Top10alltime wants to get a better idea of Jordan and is using a system which bakes in more basketball actions and possessions when looking at playmaking and defense than the common box-score. They also used it for Wilt, Kobe, and Kareem.

If you feel assists, steals, rebounds, and blocks are superior whatever, but it shouldn't be hard to see why people would prefer a more inclusive system.

These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity.

That's because they were invented by PC-Boaders less than a year ago to test and figure out things that can't be answered by existing stats.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

Indeed, because he is one of two players that has been tracked using the same playmaking system which leads to extremely different conclusions about this game than the stat you listed. If you prefer assists that's fine, but from top10's eyes (as well as mine and lebronny) that assist tally doesn't really matter if he's not taking out extra defenders at a high clip. So "what more do you want him to do" doesn't make much sense regarding a game where the until recently near uncontested #1 peak is performing way below that bar by the lense of basketball-watching the poster in questoin prefers.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).

That's something they said outside of realgm tbf. They did post their offensive-goat list with jordan at the top 1 month ago. Seemingly watching Jordan play more has lowered their opinion of him.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#87 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Wed Apr 9, 2025 3:00 am

OhayoKD wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of.

You can be skeptical but "what are we trying to do here" should be easy enough to derive by reading the posts. Top10alltime wants to get a better idea of Jordan and is using a system which bakes in more basketball actions and possessions when looking at playmaking and defense than the common box-score. They also used it for Wilt, Kobe, and Kareem.

If you feel assists, steals, rebounds, and blocks are superior whatever, but it shouldn't be hard to see why people would prefer a more inclusive system.

These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity.

That's because they were invented by PC-Boaders less than a year ago to test and figure out things that can't be answered by existing stats.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

Indeed, because he is one of two players that has been tracked using the same playmaking system which leads to extremely different conclusions about this game than the stat you listed. If you prefer assists that's fine, but from top10's eyes (as well as mine and lebronny) that assist tally doesn't really matter if he's not taking out extra defenders at a high clip. So "what more do you want him to do" doesn't make much sense regarding a game where the until recently near uncontested #1 peak is performing way below that bar by the lense of basketball-watching the poster in questoin prefers.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).

That's something they said outside of realgm tbf. They did post their offensive-goat list with jordan at the top 1 month ago. Seemingly watching Jordan play more has lowered their opinion of him.


Ok, "what are we trying to do here" was maybe too dismissive. I apologize for that.

FYI, it's not like I go by counting stats only. I look at RAPM, on/off, WOWY, impact signals, etc, all the time.

I just don't yet trust these tracking stats because, as I said, they feel arbitrarily defined and vulnerable to subjectivity.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#88 » by Special_Puppy » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:46 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:I don't have a problem with film tracking - watching film is good. I am quite skeptical, however, of the stats you guys keep track of.

You can be skeptical but "what are we trying to do here" should be easy enough to derive by reading the posts. Top10alltime wants to get a better idea of Jordan and is using a system which bakes in more basketball actions and possessions when looking at playmaking and defense than the common box-score. They also used it for Wilt, Kobe, and Kareem.

If you feel assists, steals, rebounds, and blocks are superior whatever, but it shouldn't be hard to see why people would prefer a more inclusive system.

These are stats I've never seen used anywhere outside of this PC board(if I'm wrong, by all means, show me somewhere else), and they seem highly susceptible to subjectivity.

That's because they were invented by PC-Boaders less than a year ago to test and figure out things that can't be answered by existing stats.

For the record, I never said anything about LeBron in my post, you're the one bringing him up.

Indeed, because he is one of two players that has been tracked using the same playmaking system which leads to extremely different conclusions about this game than the stat you listed. If you prefer assists that's fine, but from top10's eyes (as well as mine and lebronny) that assist tally doesn't really matter if he's not taking out extra defenders at a high clip. So "what more do you want him to do" doesn't make much sense regarding a game where the until recently near uncontested #1 peak is performing way below that bar by the lense of basketball-watching the poster in questoin prefers.

(As for Toptenalltime voting Jordan #1 in the peaks project, I didn't participate in that project, so I genuinely didn't know that).

That's something they said outside of realgm tbf. They did post their offensive-goat list with jordan at the top 1 month ago. Seemingly watching Jordan play more has lowered their opinion of him.


Ok, "what are we trying to do here" was maybe too dismissive. I apologize for that.

FYI, it's not like I go by counting stats only. I look at RAPM, on/off, WOWY, impact signals, etc, all the time.

I just don't yet trust these tracking stats because, as I said, they feel arbitrarily defined and vulnerable to subjectivity.


Yeah film studies can have a lot of value. For example PFF grades in the NFL are absolutely invaluable for understanding player value in the league. Here are the keys to any metric (whether that be box score composites, impact stats, or film studies)
-They are done in a structured manner
-They be done in a consistent manner
-Its done by someone who really knows what they are doing
-They are tethered to current and future outcomes

I'm worried that some of the tracking studies being shared on RealGM don't meet one or many of these criteria.
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Post#89 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu May 8, 2025 5:16 pm

I'm re-reading the retro projects.

Positives
1. The discussions here are the best basketball discussions you get on the internet anywhere.
2. The time commitment posters take in evaluating players is impressive.
3. The in-depth analysis you'll get of playoff series is valuable.
4. The skill-set component is there.

Negatives
1. Proxy battles.

There's the old saw "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Sometimes threads conversations devolved into proxy battles in which the RPOY question is really a battle of "Box score stats vs Plus-Minus stats," "evolution of the game," "LBJ vs MJ," etc. This has gotten better over time.

There were way more proxy battles in the projects I used to participate in when I had the time (I was a guilty party at times).

2. Jerk Posters.

This has gotten way better over time. The number of pure jerks, maybe I was one, have gone down. The jerky posters are less jerky even when they're being jerks.

3. Holier-than-thou

This is the one are that has gotten worse with time.

Special_Puppy wrote:
Yeah film studies can have a lot of value. For example PFF grades in the NFL are absolutely invaluable for understanding player value in the league. Here are the keys to any metric (whether that be box score composites, impact stats, or film studies)
-They are done in a structured manner
-They be done in a consistent manner
-Its done by someone who really knows what they are doing
-They are tethered to current and future outcomes

I'm worried that some of the tracking studies being shared on RealGM don't meet one or many of these criteria.


I like this comment. My take is the video/film analysis you see in these threads have value and should be included in analysis. But Puppy's point above is important. Some of us here have some real biases. Most are novices. All are working off a small sample size of games. Given that there should be a real humility into how heavily we way game analysis especially if we reach findings that go wildly against what people thought at the time.

There are broadly speaking 2 family trees of stats:
1. Plus-Minus Stats
2. Counting Stats

Video analysis isn't a unique third thing. If you value video analysis and try to summarize video findings in an organized manner you can't dismiss others as box score watchers. You both value counting stats your argument is simply which counting stats matter and how heavily they should be weighed.

FWIW, NBA teams factor both plus/minus and counting stats in all areas: draft, free agency, game planning, roster management. Until that changes it would be wise to consider both plus/minus and counting stats in individual player analysis. These teams are billion dollar companies it is highly unlikely they are all fools.
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#90 » by Elpolo_14 » Tue May 27, 2025 4:07 pm

HI GUYS. This MJ Game 2 in 1991 final against LAKERS Offense only



Playmaking
-DTOs ( Defender take out )
-EDTOs ( EXTRA defender taken out )
-Double
-Triple
- ADAs ( additional defender affected )
-Création ~ R’Creation ( Rim )/ P’Creation ( Prerimeter )
-SC ( Screen assist ) ( GHOST SCREEN DO NOT COUNT )
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
Scoring
-FGA
-FGM
-M ( midrange )
-P ( Post play )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk )
-T ( 3pt )
-PB ( Putback )
-FTA + FTM
-OCT ( Offensive Contest )
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested )
- FD ( Foul draw by defender )
( P - Possession. If your team get the Oreb or foul and your team get control of the ball it will be counted as same possession )
Q1
P’ 1 - 0:52 - MJ get the ball at 3ptline from Pipen then pass out to Paxson on top keys MJ run off ball to the paint. Paxson give back to pipen who pump fake for midrange missed. Grant get oreb pass to Pipen who pass to Paxson for a drive floater
P’ 2 - 1:40 - MJ brings ball up to top key then bill come screen. MJ drive nearly get double but foul Offensive offball ( BB1 )
P’ 3 - 2:30 - MJ gets ball on top keys, reset back to Pippen. Pippen drive see double pass back to MJ, MJ see Grant cutting off to the elbow and see defender not rotating sp he pass to Grant for a miss shot ( DTOs1 P’Creation1 RPDL1 )
P’ 4 - 2:54 - MJ bring ball up pass to Bill on the post. Then cut in paint but bill get double and foul ( BULLS ball ) ( BB2 )
P’ 4 -3.19 – MJ on shoer corner run out to 3pt line while Pipen make great pass for bill for a dunk
P’ 5 - 3:42 - MJ bring ball up Grant make ghost screen then roll to the paint and Bill come set another screen so there 2 defender facing MJ leaving Grant open on right wing. So MJ pass to Grant for basket. (BB3 DTO2-3 ADAs1 R’Creation1 RPDL2 )
P’ 6 - 4:14 - MJ bring ball up to the corner so Grant come make soft screen then back in paint so MJ get double, pass to Grant but bad pass TOV ( BB4 Double1 BPDL1 )
P’ 7 - 4:25 – Pipen steal in transition pass to MJ at half court who pass drive to FT line and pass to Bill in paint ( DTOs4 R’Creation2 RPDL3 )
P’ 8 - 5:52 - MJ Move off ball to top keys and get the ball from Grant, backing down Scott and shoot a fade away ( FGA1 FGM1 M1 OCT1 )
P’ 9 - 6:25 - MJ outlet pass to Paxson in transition and he get ball back on top of key. See Pipen cut to the rim so He try a lob pass ( Too low ) so pipen Missed but Bill Clean up
P’ 10 - 8:17 -MJ get ball at 3pt line get double ao he dribble around then pass to Grant in Paont for a lay up ( Double2 DTO5-6 EDTOs1 EPDL1 R’Creation3 )
P’ 11 - 10:20 - MJ get ball see Bill posting so he pass and let bill Create FAIL
P’ 12 - 11:05 – MJ Bring ball up pass to pipen top keys then off ball screen for Paxson but too late so paxson defender stay tight. MJ on post when paxson create and pass to Grant ( BB5 )
P’ 13 - 11:48 - MJ bring ball up pass to Paxson in transition for a 3pt ( BB6 DTOs7 RPDL4 )
P’ 14 - 12:14 - MJ get ball from pipen and pass to paxson top keys. Paxson pass to pipen who post drive split thru double for layup
P’ 15 - 14:20 - MJ bring ball up pass to cliff then run off ball around to the paint ( BB7 )
P’ 16 - 14:57 - MJ brings ball to the elbow see double team coming so he pass to bill for layup. ( DTOs8-9 EDTOs2 R’Creation4 RPDL5)
P’ 17 - 16:20 - MJ bring ball up and drive get double in the post with another defender in his lane so he pass to Bill ( BAD PASS Could be Creation ). Bill pass to pipen for midrange Missed. MJ get Oreb try a midrange MISSED ( BB8 Double3 DTOs8-9-10 EDTOs2 ADAs2 BPDL2 FGA2 M2 OCT2 )
P’ 18 - 17:14 - MJ brings ball up Bill screen and POP at the FT line while MJ dribble to elbow and pass to Grant in paint. ( BB9 DTOs10-11 EDTOs3 RPDL6 )
P’ 19 - 18:00 - MJ get ball pass to bill who try post up but TOV
P’ 20 - 18:20 - MJ bring ball up, pass to Pippen on top keys then cut to the other side Post ( BB10 )
Q2
P’ 21 - 27:48 – MJ post up off ball try to get the ball but get intercepted ( BULLS ball )
P’ 21 -28.10 - MJ on short corner posting off ball then he get the ball Magic come double so MJ pass to cutting BJ who missed layup ( Double4 DTOs12-13 EDTOs4 RPDL7 )
P 22 – 29.34 – MJ get ball then pass to Pippen to create
P’ 23 - 30:10 - MJ on top of key, pass to Armstrong. Get ball back and try a 3pt MISSED ( FGA3 T1 OCT3 )
P’ 24 - 31:29 - MJ drives see 2 extra defender on the lane with one of them being screen by Bill so he kick to paxson for 3pt ( DTOs14-15-16 EDTOs5 ADAs3 P’Creation2 RPDL8 )
P’ 25 - 31:57 – Grant steal pass to MJ in transition MJ bullet pass thru magic for Grant who loses the ball ( DTOs17 RPDL9 )
P’ 26 - 32:14 - MJ Bring ball up pass to paxson and cut in paint but decide to go off at 3pt. pipen get double pass op wide open MJ who drive lay up ( BB11 FGA4 R1 FGM2 OCT4 )
P’ 27 - 32:50 - Pippen bounce pass to MJ in transion for open lay uo ( FGA5 FGM3 R2 OUCT1 )
P’ 28 - 33:46 - Bill handoff to MJ, drive then pull-up at FT line for basket. ( FGA6 M3 FGM4 OCT5 )
P’ 29 - 35:14 - Grant to MJ near elbow, MJ then drive post up a bit then spin move for a shot. ( FGA7 FGM5 P1 OUCT2 )
P’ 30 - 36:15 - MJ bring ball up then pass to pipen top keys. Pippen pass to bill for a shot missed ( BB12 )
P’ 31 - 36:52 - MJ bring ball up pass to Pippen who fake drive bring 3 defender on him and pass to paxson
P’ 32 - 38:35 – Mj bring ball up from inbound reset with paxson then post up scoot fake shot bring AC green to come contest so MJ pass to grant for open dunk ( BB13 DTOs18-19 EDTOs6 EPDL2 R’Creation5 )
Q3
P’ 32 - 40:32 - MJ bring ball up in transition bullet pass to Paxson. Mj get it back give to bill to create for himself at post
P’ 33 - 41:00 – MJ at the elbow off ball when Pippen get the ball and pass to grant for layup
P’ 34 – 41.27 – Pippen bring ball up pass to MJ. MJ pass to Grant posting then cut in paint
P’ 35 - 41:56 - MJ pass to Pippen fastbreak but Pippen travel
P’36 - 43.06 – MJ in the corner when PIPPEN work in the paint
P’ 37 - 43:42 – MJ bring ball drive kick to Grant open at 3pt :NONE CREATION cause Grant isn’t a shooter so they willing to leave him open there ( BB14 DTOs20-21 EDTOs7 RPDL10 )
P’ 38 - 44:13 – MJ get ball pass back to PIPPEN then cut to the other side on the elbow. He get the ball for a jumper ( FGA8 FGM6 M4 OCT7 )
P’ 39 - 44:38 – MJ bring ball up fast break bounce pass to Pippen who gets fouled. ( BB15 DTOs22-23 EDTOs8 EPDL3 R’Creation6 ) ( BULLS ball with FT )
P39 – 46.09 – MJ posting get foul. Next play Paxson bouce pass to Bill for a dunk ( FD1 )
P’ 40 – 47.50 - MJ Bring ball up pass to Paxson. Get ball back pump fake drive lay up ( BB16 FGA9 FGM7 R3 OCT8 )
P’ 41 - 48:14 - MJ bring ball up pass to Bill in post ( BB17 )
P’ 42 - 48:50 - MJ get ball half court drive pull up mid range ( FGA10 FGM8 M5 OCT9 )
P’ 43 - 49:56 – MJ off ball cut to post get the ball and get doubled in post, fake shot and pass to paxson shoot ( DTOs24-25 EDTOs9 P’Creation3 Double5 EPDL4 )
P’ 44- 50:50 - MJ get ball at post and hit a turnaround fade away ( FGA11 FGM9 P2 OCT10 )
P’ 45 - 52:04 - MJ bringing ball up Blow by paxson for a pull up and ONE ( BB18 FGA12 FGM10 M6 OUCT2 FD2 FTA1 FTM1 )
P’ 46 - 59:23 - MJ Cut off ball around the court and get ball at elbow drive post up get double and with anoth defender on weak side he pass to paxson for long 2pt ( Double6 EDTOs26-27-28 EDTOs10-11 P’Creation4 EPDL5 )
P’ 47 - 1:00:41 - MJ recieves ball in low-post GET FOUL ( FD3 FTA2-3 FTM2 ) ( Pippen Oreb Bull ball )
P’47 - 101.40 -MJ gets ball from top of key and drive split defender for a lay up ( FGA13 FGM11 R4 OCT11 )
P’ 48 - 1:02:46 - MJ get ball on wing drive see double team so he jump pass to open pippen for a lay up ( DTOs29-30-31 EDTOs12 ADAs4 P’Creation5 RPDL11 )
Q4
P’ 49 - 1:04:43 - MJ get ball in the post get double pass to Grant cutting but sam perkins was in the paints to catch grant to deny his shot ( Double6 DTOs32-33 EDTOs13 RPDL12 )
P’50 - 104.57 – Pippen get Dreb and run the fastbreak with Grant. Pippen attempt drive but missed the layup
P’ 51 - 1:06:54 - MJ brings ball up drive to elbow side step midrange ( BB19 FGA14 FGM12 M7 OCT12 )
P’ 52 - 1:08:16 - MJ brings ball up, dribbles around the top keys and FT line but get FOUL CALL WITH illegal defense ( BB20 FD4 FTA4 FTM3 ) ( Bull ball )
P’ 52 -110.00 - Pippen finds MJ, dribbles to short corner then pull up midrange ( FGA15 FGM13 M8 OCT13 )
P’ 53 - 1:10:35 - Michael brings it up then lop to pippen. ( BB21 DTOs34 R’Creation7 EPDL6 )
P’ 54 - 1:11:16 - MJ reset ball with pippen on top keys then post up bring 3 defender around so he jump pass to open Pippen ( DTOs35-36-37 EDTOs14-15 P’Creation6 RPDL13 )
P’ 55 - 1:11:53 - MJ bring up the ball to top keys then pass to grant. Grant drive pass back to Jordan. So Jordan drive and layup ( BB22 FGA16 FGM14 R5 5OUCT3 )
P’ 56 - 1:14:03 - MJ on top of key, get the ball then go post up. Spin move fade but MISSED ( FGA17 P3 OCT14 )
P’ 57 - 1:15:34 – PIPPEN bring ball up pass to MJ half court MJ rest with pippen. MJ get double top keys pass back to Pippen. Pippen attempt drive see double so kick to MJ who drive pull up from FT line ( Double 7 FGA18 FGM15 M9 OCT 15 )
P’ 58 - 1:16:16 - MJ get ball at logo dribble to top keys wit hmagic on him. Worthy come help so MJ pass to open pippen at 3pt line cause bad rotation by divac who choose to close the paint instead on roaming near pippen. Bad pass from MJ make Pippen loses time to get the ball and Pippen drive TOV ( DTOs38-39 EDTOs16 BPDL3 )
P’ 59 - 1:17:00 - MJ finds wide open Grant in corner. Grant get double pass to pippen for a shot
P’ 60 - 1:17:40 - MJ get the ball at the logo then get double. He pullet pass to Grant at the rim for a pump fake and dunk ( Double8 DTOs40-41 EDTOs17 R’Creation8 EPDL7 )
P’ 61 - 1:17:59 – Bulls stole the ball. Pippen pass to MJ. Mj pass back and go to wing 3pt line. Pippen pump fake drive layup

RESUME Game 2 MJ 1991 offensively
Total Possession when MJ was in the floor – 61
Total Possession of play MJ have action both on/off ball – 58
Total Possession of play MJ didn’t affect or didn’t have the opportunity to affect – 3
Playmaking
-DTOs - 41
-EDTOs – 17
- ADAs – 4
-Double - 8
-Triple - 0
-Création - 14
~ R’Creation ( Rim ) - 8
- P’Creation ( Prerimeter ) - 6
-SC ( Screen ) - 0
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) - 7
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) - 13
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) – 3
- BB ( Bring ball up ) - 22
Scoring
-FGA - 18
-FGM - 15
-M ( midrange ) – 9 ( 8/9 )
-P ( Post play ) – 3 ( 2/3 )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk ) – 5 ( 5/5 )
-T ( 3pt ) – 1 ( 0/1 )
-PB ( Putback ) – 0
-FTA - 4
+ FTM – 3
-OCT ( Offensive Contest ) - 15
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested ) - 3
- FD ( Foul draw by defender ) - 4
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#91 » by tsherkin » Tue May 27, 2025 5:14 pm

Elpolo_14 wrote:
Spoiler:
HI GUYS. This MJ Game 2 in 1991 final against LAKERS Offense only



Playmaking
-DTOs ( Defender take out )
-EDTOs ( EXTRA defender taken out )
-Double
-Triple
- ADAs ( additional defender affected )
-Création ~ R’Creation ( Rim )/ P’Creation ( Prerimeter )
-SC ( Screen assist ) ( GHOST SCREEN DO NOT COUNT )
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
Scoring
-FGA
-FGM
-M ( midrange )
-P ( Post play )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk )
-T ( 3pt )
-PB ( Putback )
-FTA + FTM
-OCT ( Offensive Contest )
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested )
- FD ( Foul draw by defender )
( P - Possession. If your team get the Oreb or foul and your team get control of the ball it will be counted as same possession )
Q1
P’ 1 - 0:52 - MJ get the ball at 3ptline from Pipen then pass out to Paxson on top keys MJ run off ball to the paint. Paxson give back to pipen who pump fake for midrange missed. Grant get oreb pass to Pipen who pass to Paxson for a drive floater
P’ 2 - 1:40 - MJ brings ball up to top key then bill come screen. MJ drive nearly get double but foul Offensive offball ( BB1 )
P’ 3 - 2:30 - MJ gets ball on top keys, reset back to Pippen. Pippen drive see double pass back to MJ, MJ see Grant cutting off to the elbow and see defender not rotating sp he pass to Grant for a miss shot ( DTOs1 P’Creation1 RPDL1 )
P’ 4 - 2:54 - MJ bring ball up pass to Bill on the post. Then cut in paint but bill get double and foul ( BULLS ball ) ( BB2 )
P’ 4 -3.19 – MJ on shoer corner run out to 3pt line while Pipen make great pass for bill for a dunk
P’ 5 - 3:42 - MJ bring ball up Grant make ghost screen then roll to the paint and Bill come set another screen so there 2 defender facing MJ leaving Grant open on right wing. So MJ pass to Grant for basket. (BB3 DTO2-3 ADAs1 R’Creation1 RPDL2 )
P’ 6 - 4:14 - MJ bring ball up to the corner so Grant come make soft screen then back in paint so MJ get double, pass to Grant but bad pass TOV ( BB4 Double1 BPDL1 )
P’ 7 - 4:25 – Pipen steal in transition pass to MJ at half court who pass drive to FT line and pass to Bill in paint ( DTOs4 R’Creation2 RPDL3 )
P’ 8 - 5:52 - MJ Move off ball to top keys and get the ball from Grant, backing down Scott and shoot a fade away ( FGA1 FGM1 M1 OCT1 )
P’ 9 - 6:25 - MJ outlet pass to Paxson in transition and he get ball back on top of key. See Pipen cut to the rim so He try a lob pass ( Too low ) so pipen Missed but Bill Clean up
P’ 10 - 8:17 -MJ get ball at 3pt line get double ao he dribble around then pass to Grant in Paont for a lay up ( Double2 DTO5-6 EDTOs1 EPDL1 R’Creation3 )
P’ 11 - 10:20 - MJ get ball see Bill posting so he pass and let bill Create FAIL
P’ 12 - 11:05 – MJ Bring ball up pass to pipen top keys then off ball screen for Paxson but too late so paxson defender stay tight. MJ on post when paxson create and pass to Grant ( BB5 )
P’ 13 - 11:48 - MJ bring ball up pass to Paxson in transition for a 3pt ( BB6 DTOs7 RPDL4 )
P’ 14 - 12:14 - MJ get ball from pipen and pass to paxson top keys. Paxson pass to pipen who post drive split thru double for layup
P’ 15 - 14:20 - MJ bring ball up pass to cliff then run off ball around to the paint ( BB7 )
P’ 16 - 14:57 - MJ brings ball to the elbow see double team coming so he pass to bill for layup. ( DTOs8-9 EDTOs2 R’Creation4 RPDL5)
P’ 17 - 16:20 - MJ bring ball up and drive get double in the post with another defender in his lane so he pass to Bill ( BAD PASS Could be Creation ). Bill pass to pipen for midrange Missed. MJ get Oreb try a midrange MISSED ( BB8 Double3 DTOs8-9-10 EDTOs2 ADAs2 BPDL2 FGA2 M2 OCT2 )
P’ 18 - 17:14 - MJ brings ball up Bill screen and POP at the FT line while MJ dribble to elbow and pass to Grant in paint. ( BB9 DTOs10-11 EDTOs3 RPDL6 )
P’ 19 - 18:00 - MJ get ball pass to bill who try post up but TOV
P’ 20 - 18:20 - MJ bring ball up, pass to Pippen on top keys then cut to the other side Post ( BB10 )
Q2
P’ 21 - 27:48 – MJ post up off ball try to get the ball but get intercepted ( BULLS ball )
P’ 21 -28.10 - MJ on short corner posting off ball then he get the ball Magic come double so MJ pass to cutting BJ who missed layup ( Double4 DTOs12-13 EDTOs4 RPDL7 )
P 22 – 29.34 – MJ get ball then pass to Pippen to create
P’ 23 - 30:10 - MJ on top of key, pass to Armstrong. Get ball back and try a 3pt MISSED ( FGA3 T1 OCT3 )
P’ 24 - 31:29 - MJ drives see 2 extra defender on the lane with one of them being screen by Bill so he kick to paxson for 3pt ( DTOs14-15-16 EDTOs5 ADAs3 P’Creation2 RPDL8 )
P’ 25 - 31:57 – Grant steal pass to MJ in transition MJ bullet pass thru magic for Grant who loses the ball ( DTOs17 RPDL9 )
P’ 26 - 32:14 - MJ Bring ball up pass to paxson and cut in paint but decide to go off at 3pt. pipen get double pass op wide open MJ who drive lay up ( BB11 FGA4 R1 FGM2 OCT4 )
P’ 27 - 32:50 - Pippen bounce pass to MJ in transion for open lay uo ( FGA5 FGM3 R2 OUCT1 )
P’ 28 - 33:46 - Bill handoff to MJ, drive then pull-up at FT line for basket. ( FGA6 M3 FGM4 OCT5 )
P’ 29 - 35:14 - Grant to MJ near elbow, MJ then drive post up a bit then spin move for a shot. ( FGA7 FGM5 P1 OUCT2 )
P’ 30 - 36:15 - MJ bring ball up then pass to pipen top keys. Pippen pass to bill for a shot missed ( BB12 )
P’ 31 - 36:52 - MJ bring ball up pass to Pippen who fake drive bring 3 defender on him and pass to paxson
P’ 32 - 38:35 – Mj bring ball up from inbound reset with paxson then post up scoot fake shot bring AC green to come contest so MJ pass to grant for open dunk ( BB13 DTOs18-19 EDTOs6 EPDL2 R’Creation5 )
Q3
P’ 32 - 40:32 - MJ bring ball up in transition bullet pass to Paxson. Mj get it back give to bill to create for himself at post
P’ 33 - 41:00 – MJ at the elbow off ball when Pippen get the ball and pass to grant for layup
P’ 34 – 41.27 – Pippen bring ball up pass to MJ. MJ pass to Grant posting then cut in paint
P’ 35 - 41:56 - MJ pass to Pippen fastbreak but Pippen travel
P’36 - 43.06 – MJ in the corner when PIPPEN work in the paint
P’ 37 - 43:42 – MJ bring ball drive kick to Grant open at 3pt :NONE CREATION cause Grant isn’t a shooter so they willing to leave him open there ( BB14 DTOs20-21 EDTOs7 RPDL10 )
P’ 38 - 44:13 – MJ get ball pass back to PIPPEN then cut to the other side on the elbow. He get the ball for a jumper ( FGA8 FGM6 M4 OCT7 )
P’ 39 - 44:38 – MJ bring ball up fast break bounce pass to Pippen who gets fouled. ( BB15 DTOs22-23 EDTOs8 EPDL3 R’Creation6 ) ( BULLS ball with FT )
P39 – 46.09 – MJ posting get foul. Next play Paxson bouce pass to Bill for a dunk ( FD1 )
P’ 40 – 47.50 - MJ Bring ball up pass to Paxson. Get ball back pump fake drive lay up ( BB16 FGA9 FGM7 R3 OCT8 )
P’ 41 - 48:14 - MJ bring ball up pass to Bill in post ( BB17 )
P’ 42 - 48:50 - MJ get ball half court drive pull up mid range ( FGA10 FGM8 M5 OCT9 )
P’ 43 - 49:56 – MJ off ball cut to post get the ball and get doubled in post, fake shot and pass to paxson shoot ( DTOs24-25 EDTOs9 P’Creation3 Double5 EPDL4 )
P’ 44- 50:50 - MJ get ball at post and hit a turnaround fade away ( FGA11 FGM9 P2 OCT10 )
P’ 45 - 52:04 - MJ bringing ball up Blow by paxson for a pull up and ONE ( BB18 FGA12 FGM10 M6 OUCT2 FD2 FTA1 FTM1 )
P’ 46 - 59:23 - MJ Cut off ball around the court and get ball at elbow drive post up get double and with anoth defender on weak side he pass to paxson for long 2pt ( Double6 EDTOs26-27-28 EDTOs10-11 P’Creation4 EPDL5 )
P’ 47 - 1:00:41 - MJ recieves ball in low-post GET FOUL ( FD3 FTA2-3 FTM2 ) ( Pippen Oreb Bull ball )
P’47 - 101.40 -MJ gets ball from top of key and drive split defender for a lay up ( FGA13 FGM11 R4 OCT11 )
P’ 48 - 1:02:46 - MJ get ball on wing drive see double team so he jump pass to open pippen for a lay up ( DTOs29-30-31 EDTOs12 ADAs4 P’Creation5 RPDL11 )
Q4
P’ 49 - 1:04:43 - MJ get ball in the post get double pass to Grant cutting but sam perkins was in the paints to catch grant to deny his shot ( Double6 DTOs32-33 EDTOs13 RPDL12 )
P’50 - 104.57 – Pippen get Dreb and run the fastbreak with Grant. Pippen attempt drive but missed the layup
P’ 51 - 1:06:54 - MJ brings ball up drive to elbow side step midrange ( BB19 FGA14 FGM12 M7 OCT12 )
P’ 52 - 1:08:16 - MJ brings ball up, dribbles around the top keys and FT line but get FOUL CALL WITH illegal defense ( BB20 FD4 FTA4 FTM3 ) ( Bull ball )
P’ 52 -110.00 - Pippen finds MJ, dribbles to short corner then pull up midrange ( FGA15 FGM13 M8 OCT13 )
P’ 53 - 1:10:35 - Michael brings it up then lop to pippen. ( BB21 DTOs34 R’Creation7 EPDL6 )
P’ 54 - 1:11:16 - MJ reset ball with pippen on top keys then post up bring 3 defender around so he jump pass to open Pippen ( DTOs35-36-37 EDTOs14-15 P’Creation6 RPDL13 )
P’ 55 - 1:11:53 - MJ bring up the ball to top keys then pass to grant. Grant drive pass back to Jordan. So Jordan drive and layup ( BB22 FGA16 FGM14 R5 5OUCT3 )
P’ 56 - 1:14:03 - MJ on top of key, get the ball then go post up. Spin move fade but MISSED ( FGA17 P3 OCT14 )
P’ 57 - 1:15:34 – PIPPEN bring ball up pass to MJ half court MJ rest with pippen. MJ get double top keys pass back to Pippen. Pippen attempt drive see double so kick to MJ who drive pull up from FT line ( Double 7 FGA18 FGM15 M9 OCT 15 )
P’ 58 - 1:16:16 - MJ get ball at logo dribble to top keys wit hmagic on him. Worthy come help so MJ pass to open pippen at 3pt line cause bad rotation by divac who choose to close the paint instead on roaming near pippen. Bad pass from MJ make Pippen loses time to get the ball and Pippen drive TOV ( DTOs38-39 EDTOs16 BPDL3 )
P’ 59 - 1:17:00 - MJ finds wide open Grant in corner. Grant get double pass to pippen for a shot
P’ 60 - 1:17:40 - MJ get the ball at the logo then get double. He pullet pass to Grant at the rim for a pump fake and dunk ( Double8 DTOs40-41 EDTOs17 R’Creation8 EPDL7 )
P’ 61 - 1:17:59 – Bulls stole the ball. Pippen pass to MJ. Mj pass back and go to wing 3pt line. Pippen pump fake drive layup

RESUME Game 2 MJ 1991 offensively
Total Possession when MJ was in the floor – 61
Total Possession of play MJ have action both on/off ball – 58
Total Possession of play MJ didn’t affect or didn’t have the opportunity to affect – 3
Playmaking
-DTOs - 41
-EDTOs – 17
- ADAs – 4
-Double - 8
-Triple - 0
-Création - 14
~ R’Creation ( Rim ) - 8
- P’Creation ( Prerimeter ) - 6
-SC ( Screen ) - 0
- EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) - 7
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) - 13
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) – 3
- BB ( Bring ball up ) - 22
Scoring
-FGA - 18
-FGM - 15
-M ( midrange ) – 9 ( 8/9 )
-P ( Post play ) – 3 ( 2/3 )
-R ( Rim : lay up / dunk ) – 5 ( 5/5 )
-T ( 3pt ) – 1 ( 0/1 )
-PB ( Putback ) – 0
-FTA - 4
+ FTM – 3
-OCT ( Offensive Contest ) - 15
-OUCT ( Offensive Uncontested ) - 3
- FD ( Foul draw by defender ) - 4




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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#92 » by Top10alltime » Fri Jun 27, 2025 10:52 pm

In this game, we see how good Jordan is on both ends of the floor, as this is his peak season.

This is also for something newer, tracking how Jordan did in isolation as scorer on-ball. Also how much they initiated the play (by bringing ball up, to start it off, or outlet pass, stealing ball to initiate transition play, etc), also how they did in tough coverage (doubled or tripled).
Reason for doing this is due to elpolo_14 mentioning how Jordan had these advantages here (Will track Steph later to compare): viewtopic.php?p=118963162#p118963162

Game link -

Here is what we will be tracking:
Playmaking -
-DTOs ( Defender taken out)
-EDTOs ( Extra defender taken out )
-Double
BB ( BRING Ball up )
-Création ~ R’Creation ( Rim )/ P’Creation ( Prerimeter )
-SC ( Screen assist ) ( GHOST SCREEN DO NOT COUNT )
EPDL( Elite pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- RPDL ( Regular pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
- BRDL ( Bad pass delivery ) for creation or when the defense is attach on his presence
Scoring -
-M (mid-range)
-P (post play)
-R (rim)
-T (3pt)
-PB (putback)
OCT (offensive contested)
OUCT (offensive uncontested)
FD (foul drawn )
Offensive rebounding -
OBX (offensue boxout)
NOBX (non offensive boxout)

Defense -
-PPs – EPP/IPP ( Primary Protection ) ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
- PPDs – EPPD/IPPD ( Primary Perimeter defendings ) ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
- DCT ( Defensive contest )
- NDCT ( non contest )
- HPD ( help defense ) – EHPD/IHPD ( E – effective / I – Ineffective )
DBX (defensive boxout)
NDBX (non-defensive boxout)

For in iso: ISO M 1/1 as example
For in tough coverage: Doubled 1 DTO
For play initiator: IN


Offense -

Possession 1 - 1:46 - Jordan finds ball top of key, to Pippen driving to draw foul.
Possession 2 - 3:20 - Pippen initiate play by bringing ball up, to Jordan right wing, draw two defenders, pass to Cartwright, and back, Jordan pass to Cartwright making fadeaway. (Jordan doubled 2 DTOs, 1 EDTO. Jordan - 3 DTOs, 1 EDTO, 1 creation,1x doubled, 1 RPDL)
Possession 3 - 3:50 - Pippen again initiate ball and Jordan scores deep mid-range jumper. (Jordan ISO 1/1 M. Jordan - 1/1 M)
Possession 4 - 4:24 - Pippen pass to Jordan after bringing ball up, ball to Paxson to Grant, Jordan finds himself open losing his man off-ball, but Grant bad decision making. (Jordan - 4 DTOs)
Possession 5 - 4:58 - Jordan misses wide-open one legged jumper from the corner. (Jordan - 1/2 M)
Possession 6 - 5:17 - Jordan with ball in half-court, gets a pass to Cartwright missing a one-handed shot . (Jordan - 6 DTOs, 2 EDTOs, 2 RPDL)
Possession 7 - 5:31 - Jordan initiate offense with ball brought up, handoff to Paxson, moves down to elbow,, as Magic header into out of bounds. (Jordan - 1 BB, 1 IN)
Possession 8 - 6:29 - Jordan bring up ball initiating offense, pass to Pippen. (Jordan - 2 BB, 2 IN)
Possession 9 - 6:54 - As Grant gets pass Jordan cuts behind him, Jordan in ISO misses semi-open mid range shot. (Jordan ISO 1/2 M. Jordan - 1/3 M).
Possession 10 - 7:13 - Jordan bring up ball to initiate offense, nice hezi top of key to beat his man blow by to get a nice dunk. (Jordan - 3 BB, 3 IN, 1/1 R, 7 DTOs)
Possession 11 - 7:37 - Jordan gets ball on left wing, post-up and draws foul. Jordan makes 1 FT. (Jordan ISO 1 FD. Jordan - 1 FD)
Possession 12 - 10:18 - Jordan finds ball in left wing moving out, beats his man with blow by for another dunk. (Jordan ISO 1/1 R, Jordan - 2/2 R, 8 DTOs)
Possession 13 - 10:52 - Jordan finds ball in key, goes through a crowded paint missing, shot, boxes out for the rebound, and separates himself to make a close mid-range shot. (Jordan - 2x doubled, 2/3 R, 2/4 M, 1 OBX)
Possession 14 - 11:10 - Jordan gets ball on logo, goes to right elbow doubled pass to Cartwight losing it. Jordan heads back to top of key where Grant gives it to him, Jordan finds Pippen in tight window, who gets a dunk. (Jordan doubled 4 DTOs, 2 EDTOs. Jordan - 2 creation, 1 BPDL, 3 RPDL, 3x doubled, 11 DTOs, 3 EDTOs)
Possession 15 - 11:47 - Jordan gets ball in half-court, good pass delivery to Pippen but shot blocked.
Jordan then gets ball in left wing, with DIvac on him and then switch, Jordan with pass mid-air to Paxson who hits the shot. (Jordan - 3 creation, 1 EPDL, 12 DTOs)
Possession 16 - 13:37 - Jordan initiate offense with deep pass to Pippen. (Jordan - 4 IN)
Possession 17 - 14:43 - Jordan in transition gets ball from Pippen, goes in strong for a dunk. (Jordan -3/4 R)
Possession 18 - 16:36 - Jordan bring up ball pass to Pippen going up and around his man for layup. (Jordan - 5 IN, 4 BB, 4 creation, 4 RPDL)
Possession 19 - 17:35 - Jordan gets ball, move around to hit mid-range shot in ISO. (Jordan ISO 2/3 M, Jordan - 3/5 M)
Possession 20 - 19:20 - Jordan initiate offense, goes on ISO vs Scott and makes another mid-range jumper. (Jordan ISO 3/4 M. Jordan - 6 IN, 5 BB, 4/6 M)
Possession 21 - 19:49 - Jordan brings up ball, double teamed and great pass to inside to Grant making easy layup. (Jordan doubled 6 DTOs 3 EDTOs. Jordan - 5 creation, 2 EPDL, 14 DTOs, 4 EDTOs, 5x doubled)
START OF 2Q
Possession 22 - 21:15 - Jordan bring up ball, ball to Levingston as he finds himself open for ball by Hopson. He misses a mid-range shot. (Jordan ISO 3/5 M. Jordan - 7 IN, 6 BB, 4/7 M)
Possession 23 - 22:39 - Jordan gets ball left wing, drive stopped by Divac, tries to make a hezi but commits turnover as Divac steals ball from him.
Possession 24 - 23:22 - Jordan gets ball on top of key, post up his man, as triple team come he pass to Perdue for the dunk. (Jordan doubled 9 DTOs 5 EDTOs. Jordan - 6 creation, 5 RPDL, 17 DTOs, 6 EDTOs, 6x doubled)
Possession 25 - 23:55 - Jordan brings ball up, pass to Levingston, and to Cartwright for missed 3. (Jordan - 8 IN, 7 BB)
Possession 26 - 24:22 - Jordan brings ball up and makes bad pass for turnover. (Jordan - 9 IN, 8 BB, 2 BPDL)
Possession 27 - 25:43 - Jordan brings ball up, pass to Craig who scores clean mid-range. (Jordan - 10 IN, 9 BB, 7 creation, 19 DTOs, 7 EDTOs)
Possession 28 - 26:37 - Jordan brings ball up again, tries to get into paint, but bad pass by Jordan knocked away. (Jordan doubled 11 DTOs 6 EDTOs. Jordan - 11 IN, 10 BB, 21 DTOs, 8 EDTOs, 3 BPDL, 7x doubled)
Possession 29 - 27:31 - Jordan brings ball up to start transition play, he can't decelerate and commits turnover. (Jordan - 12 IN, 11 BB)
28:03 - Jordan off
33:49 - Jordan on
Possession 30 - 34:30 - Jordan gets ball from Pippen, pass to Pippen trying to find his way inside, comes back to find ball, pass mid-air to B.J, to Pippen missing tough shot.
Possession 31 - 36:29 - Jordan finds himself open for a low post turnaround fadeaway with the foul drawn. Jordan makes 1 FT.(Jordan - 0/1 P, 2 FD)
Possession 32 - 39:33 - Jordan gets ball in transition, pass back to B.J, and back to Jordan for wide open dunk for 2 on 1 play. (Jordan - 4/5 R)
Possession 33 - 40:10 - Jordan gets ball on left wing, hezi and loses ball tipped away 1 on 1.
Possession 34 - 42:11 - Jordan brings up ball, gets into key and pass to Armstrong missing wide open 3. (Jordan - 13 IN, 12 BB, 8 creation, 23 DTOs, 9 EDTOs, 5 RPDL)
Possession 35 - 44:15 - Jordan brings up ball, pass it to Armstrong hitting 3 over Magic. (Jordan - 14 IN, 13 BB, 9 creation, 24 DTOs, 6 RPDL)
Possession 36 - 46:40 - Jordan hand-off to Pippen in Lakers side of court.
START OF 3Q
Possession 37 - 50:25 - Jordan doubled on right block, gets to the elbow and draws a foul. Jordan makes both FTs. (Jordan - 3 FD)
Possession 38 - 51:47 - Jordan on top of key, gets doubled then pass to Grant who misses shot. (Jordan doubled 13 DTOs 7 EDTOs. Jordan - 26 DTOs, 10 EDTOs, 7 RPDL, 8x doubled)
Possession 39 - 52:06 - Jordan bring up ball to left wing, passing to Cartwright in the corner for a 3. (Jordan - 28 DTOs, 11 EDTOs, 10 creation, 8 RPDL)
Possession 40 - 53:32 - Jordan misses a pull-up jumper. (Jordan - 4/8 M)
Possession 41 - 53:59 - Jordan bring up ball, two men switch onto him multiple time, he goes up for layup and pass to Paxson. Then Jordan boxout for offensive rebound for Grant putback. (Jordan - 15 IN, 14 BB, 2 OBX)
Possession 42 - 55:38 - Jordan post up, doubled and to Pippen, who miss shot. (Jordan doubled 15 DTOs 8 EDTOs. Jordan - 30 DTOs, 12 EDTOs, 11 creation, 3 EPDL, 9x doubled)
Possession 43 - 56:07 - Jordan bring up ball, hezi at the top of the key, doubled and passes to Paxson for a missed 3. (Jordan doubled 17 DTOs 9 EDTOs. Jordan - 32 DTOS, 13 EDTOs, 12 creation, 9 RPDL, 12 creation, 10x doubled)
Possession 44 - 56:30 - Jordan ball top of key, pass to Paxson.
Possession 45 - 57:09 - Jordan bring up ball, pass to Cartwright and back, gets to top of key with window pass to Pippen. Then, Jordan gets ball and doubled, to Paxson, to Pippen getting ball for dunk. (Jordan doubled 19 DTOs 10 EDTOs. Jordan - 36 DTOs, 15 EDTOs, 10 RPDL, 4 EPDL, 11x doubled, 16 IN, 15 BB)
Possession 46 - 59:08 - Jordan brings up ball, gets to corner pass to Cartwight moves to left wing as Pippen gets it to Jordan. Jordan hits a 3 pointer in iso. (Jordan ISO 1/1 T. Jordan - 17 IN, 16 BB, 1/1 T)
Possession 47 - 59:47 - Jordan brings up ball drives in crowded area and gets turnover. (Jordan - 18 IN, 17 BB)
Possession 48 - 1:00:38 - Jordan gets into post, shot blocked by Divac.
1:01:20 - Jordan off
1:08:10 - Jordan on
Possession 49 - 1:08:27 - Jordan brings up ball, handoff to Paxson, then back to Jordan as he kicks it to Paxson on the corner, he bricks. (Jordan - 19 IN, 18 BB)
START OF 4Q
Possession 50 - 1:13:23 - Jordan gets ball spins and hits post shot in the middle. (Jordan - 1/2 P)
Possession 51 - 1:13:55 - Jordan using his off-ball movement to get out of double, he gets inside and handoff to Levingston making shot. (Jordan - 13 creation, 11 RPDL)
Possession 52 - 1:14:16 - Jordan in transition starts it off passes to Armstrong going hard for the layup. (Jordan - 14 creation, 12 RPDL, 37 DTOs, 20 IN)
Possession 53 - 1:15:52 - Jordan brings up ball, gets into isolation and makes a mid-range shot. (Jordan ISO 4/6 M. Jordan - 21 IN, 19 BB, 5/9 M)
Possession 54 - 1:16:24 - Jordan brings up ball makes a mid-range shot in transition. (Jordan - 22 IN, 20 BB, 6/10 M)
Possession 55 - 1:17:23 - Jordan brings up ball, gets into the right corner and makes a pass. (Jordan - 23 IN, 21 BB)
Possession 56 - 1:18:12 - Jordan brings up ball, draws foul in the key. Then Jordan gets ball in key, pulls-up mid-range and miss, gets ball back to him, gets to the block and draws another foul. Jordan then looks for ball in left elbow, drives and gets blocked by Divac. (Jordan - 5 FD, 6/11 M)
Possession 57 - 1:20:50 - Jordan gets ball from Pippen on log, makes mid-range jumper. (Jordan - 7/12 M)
Possession 58 - 1:21:18 - Jordan bring up ball, pass to Pippen getting it to B.J with bad pass delivery. (Jordan - 24 IN, 22 BB)
Possession 59 - 1:21:42 - Jordan bring up ball, pass to Hodges and he misses. (Jordan - 25 IN, 23 BB, 15 creation, 39 DTOs, 16 EDTOs)
Possession 60 - 1:23:00 - Jordan gets in paint tripled, finger roll pass to Grant going for easy dunk. (Jordan doubled 22 DTOs 12 EDTOs. Jordan - 16 creation, 42 DTOs, 18 EDTOs, 12x doubled)
Possession 61 - 1:23:40 - Jordan gets ball and plays 1v1 vs Scott, with hezi in short corner, makes short fadeaway in post. Jordan makes his FT. (Jordan ISO 1/1 P, 2 FD. Jordan - 6 FD, 2/3 P)
Possession 62 - 1:25:56 - Jordan gets ball left wing, drive and pass to Paxson and he misses. (Jordan - 17 creation, 44 DTOs, 19 EDTOs)
Possession 63 - 1:27:30 - Jordan gets ball and drive from the corner, misses reverse layup fouled. Jordan makes both FTs. (Jordan - 7 FD, 3/5 R)
Possession 64 - 1:31:02 - Jordan doubled gets ball top of key pass to Paxson missing a shot. (Jordan doubled 24 DTOs 13 EDTOs. Jordan - 18 creation, 46 DTOs, 20 EDTOs, 13x doubled)
Possession 65 - 1:34:57 - Jordan gets ball, again in iso with Scott, he misses mid-range. (Jordan ISO 4/7 M. Jordan - 7/13 M)
Possession 66 - 1:43:13 - Jordan gets ball and drives bounces ball of a Laker leg. Then, Jordan gets ball inbounded to him left wing, crossover, and Jordan misses another game winning shot. (Jordan ISO 4/8 M. Jordan - 7/14 M)
END OF GAME

Final tally -
In ISO: 4/8 M, 1/1 T, 1/1 P, 1/1 R
In tough coverage: 24 DTOs, 13 EDTOs
Initiating possession count: 25

Scoring:
7/14 M
2/3 P
1/1 T
3/5 R
7 FD

Playmaking:
18 creation
46 DTOs
20 EDTOs
13x doubled
15 RPDL
5 EPDL
3 BPDL

Ball-handling and offensive rebounding:
3 OBX
23 BB





Defense -
Possession 1 - 0:55 - Jordan on Magic top of key, gets past screen, Magic pass to Perkins as Jordan is roaming.
Then, Jordan facing Magic who post-up, no-look pass to Worthy who easily makes layup over Jordan. (Jordan - 1 PP, 1 IPP, 1 NDCT)
Possession 2 - 3:05 - Jordan on Magic, who pass to Divac as he roams again looking for steal.
Possession 3 - 3:40 - Magic running bringing ball up to right wing, gets ball to Worthy missing post shot.
Possession 4 - 4:04 - Magic bring up ball to top of key, pass to Scott, as Jordan falls into the paint.
Possession 5 - 4:40 - Jordan not on Magic off-ball advantageous position, so he leaves Magic for open 3 missed. (Jordan - 1 PPD, 1 IPPD, 2 NDCT)
Possession 6 - 5:02 - Jordan on Magic, passing to Worthy airballing with Jordan ball-watching.
Possession 7 - 7:27 - Jordan picks up Magic at half-court, Magic finds open window to Worthy.
Possession 8 - 10:00 - Jordan on Magic who pass to Perkins, taking out 3-4 defenders as Worthy hits his shot, while Jordan walk to rim.
Possession 9 - 10:30 - Jordan on Magic in right wing, jumps for pass-fake, passing to Perkins, as he walks into key, ball-watching. (Jordan - 2 PPD)
Possession 10 - 11:10 - Jordan picks up Magic, who gets it to Perkins as Jordan heads to the key, as Perkins hits a fadeaway.
Possession 11 - 12:23 - Jordan on Magic in half-court, and to Perkins, follows Magic to weakside, stonewalls him, gets some help, as Magic hits nice open pass to Perkins for 3. (Jordan - 3 PPD)
Possession 12 - 13:19 - Worthy misses contested fadeaway over Jordan, then Jordan doesn't contest DIvac after he gets rebound off of missed shots, and he stays in paint as Perkins makes jumper mid range. (Jordan - 4 PPD, 1 EPPD, 2 PP, 2 IPP, 1 DCT, 3 NDCT)
Possession 13 - 14:18 - Jordan on Magic top of key, pass deflected by Paxson.
Possession 14 - 14:59 - Jordan on Magic again as he gets past screen. Magic pass to Perkins who draws the foul.
Possession 15 - 16:15 - Jordan on Magic top of key, to Perkins as Jordan follows Magic. Magic goes into the middle missing the hook-shot over Jordan non-contest. (Jordan - 3 PP, 4 NDCT)
Possession 16 - 16:45 - Magic bring up ball with Jordan on him, Magic draws foul in paint. (Jordan - 4 PP, 3 IPP)
Possession 17 - 17:48 - Magic bring up ball, Jordan on him, to Perkins and back, back to Perkins as Jordan move inside, Grant gets loose ball foul. Jordan gets board. (Jordan - 1 NDBX)
Possession 18 - 19:30 - Magic on Jordan, and as defender goes to double him he makes a good read to Perkins for a 3.
START OF 2Q
Possession 19 - 21:43 - Jordan pump faked by Divac, his teammate covers for him, and he fouls Divac (not Jordan) (Jordan - 5 PP, 4 IPP, 1 HPD, 1 IHPD)
Possession 20 - 22:58 - Jordan on Magic, pass to Worthy as Jordan ball-watches, Worthy fakes out his man to get a shot off.
Possession 21 - 23:47 - Jordan on Magic, Magic pass to Worthy, Jordan here goes for block but faked out for drive, Worthy makes shot from deep post. (Jordan - 5 PPD, 2 IPPD, 2 DCT)
Possession 22 - 24:15 - Worthy gets ball, blows by Jordan for layup. (Jordan - 6 PPD, 3 IPPD)
Possession 23 - 24:23 - Jordan picks up Magic on the perimeter, Magic hits a no-look pass to Worthy who misses.
Possession 24 - 26:01 - Jordan on Magic, then passes to Worthy who loses ball as it slips.
Possession 25 - 27:15 - Jordan on Magic again, pass to Worthy missing turnaround fadeaway, Jordan gets rebound non-boxout. (Jordan - 2 NDBX)
28:03 - Jordan off
33:49 - Jordan on
Possession 26 - 35:06 - Jordan on Magic, pass to Worthy getting blocked by Levingston.
Possession 27 - 35:27 - Jordan goes inside to gamble for block, but it was a pass by Magic. Jordan follows Magic around, but he drives with his teammates covering for him. (Jordan - 6 PP, 5 IPP, 3 DCT)
Possession 28 - 38:38 - Jordan full-court press onto Magic but he passes and rotates onto Divac off-ball, Divac back to Magic, Magic drives with Jordan there and he gets it to Divac, to Magic as Pippen blocks him.
Possession 29 - 39:48 - Jordan on Magic top of key, he passes to Drew and back, to Wrthy, to Divac going inside for layup.
Possession 30 - 40:15 - Jordan on Magic with deep pass, to Scott as Jordan ball-watches.
Possession 31 - 42:10 - Jordan gets uncontested rebound. (Jordan - 3 NDBX)
Possession 32 - 42:24 - Jordan gets blown by Magic, covered by his teammates and TO commited. (Jordan - 7 PPD, 4 IPPD)
Possession 33 - 42:48 - Jordan on Magic bringing up ball, pass to Perkins, Jordan tries denying Magic ball as he gets it, pass to Worthy missing, Jordan with help defense on Scott. (Jordan - 8 PPD, 2 EPPD, 2 HPD)
Possession 34 - 44:50 - Jordan on Magic instantly drawing the foul after turnaround. (Jordan - 9 PPD, 5 IPPD)
Possession 35 - 49:00 - Jordan gets a steal off Magic full-court outlet at end of 2nd quarter. (Jordan - 10 PPD, 3 EPPD)
START OF 3Q
Possession 36 - 51:17 - Jordan full-court press Magic then get back to following Magic to top of key, pass to Cooper.
Possession 37 - 52:00 - Jordan lets Divac go in for an easy layup, assisted by Magic. (Jordan - 7 PP, 6 IPP, 5 NDCT)
Possession 28 - 52:24 - Jordan fronts Magic, pass to Scott who draws the foul.
Possession 29 - 53:37 - Jordan on Magic, pass to Worthy and back, Magic pass back to Worthy.
Possession 30 - 54:29 - Jordan on Magic looking for post-up, as he is doubled pass to Divac, and back, back to Divac who draws a foul.
Possession 31 - 55:53 - Jordan on Magic, to Worthy and to Divac who Pippen denies ball.
Possession 32 - 56:16 - Jordan block off of Perkins, and then Worthy makes easy layup over Jordan. (Jordan - 8 PP, 1 EPP, 6 NDCT)
Possession 33 - 56:53 - Jordan on Magic, pass to Perkins and back, he backs down Jordan and finds Divac but pass hit rim, Jordan gets ball. (Jordan - 4 NDBX)
Possession 34 - 58:33 - Jordan on Magic top of key, passing to Cooper and Jordan switching onto Worthy off-ball, Worthy gets it and pass to Magic making shot clock buzzer.
Possession 35 - 59:30 - Jordan on Magic backing him down, he gets help and then he pass to Perkins who misses open 3.
1:01:20 - Jordan off
1:08:10 - Jordan on
Possession 36 - 1:08:35 - Jordan holds Magic as he goes in transition getting a foul. Continuing, Magic gets inbounded ball, Jordan gets help and doesn't contest Magic for 3 as he hits one when shot clock winded down. (Jordan - 12 PPD, 7 IPPD, 3 HPD, 2 IHPD, 6 NDCT)
START OF 4Q
Possession 37 - 1:11:38 - Jordan gambling going for steal from pass, Perkins fouled as Pippen covers for Jordan. (Jordan - 9 PP, 7 IPP)
Possession 38 - 1:13:40 - Teagle gets ball and catch and shoots, Jordan couldn't get in time to contest. (Jordan - 13 PPD)
Possession 39 - 1:14:13 - Jordan collapsing onto Divac with 3 of his teammates, steals it from Divac initiating transition. (Jordan - 10 PP, 2 EPP, 4 HPD, 1 EHPD)
Possession 40 - 1:15:42 - Jordan on Magic, he passes to Perkins, Jordan gets rebound. (Jordan - 5 NDBX)
Possession 41 - 1:16:04 - Jordan on Magic with overhead pass to Perkins missing the shot.
Possession 42 - 1:16:34 - Jordan on Magic posting him up, gets help and Magic goes for hook to middle with Jordan fouling. (Jordan - 14 PPD, 8 IPPD)
Possession 43 - 1:20:57 - Jordan on Magic with pass to Worthy off of spin to make layup.
Possession 44 - 1:21:40 - Jordan gets board. (Jordan - 6 NDBX)
Possession 45 - 1:21:54 - Jordan gets posted up by Magic, fouls him (Jordan - 11 PP, 8 IPP)
Possession 46 - 1:25:24 - Jordan on Magic helping Pippen swarming him as he passes. (Jordan - 15 PPD, 4 EPPD, 5 HPD, 2 EHPD)
Possession 47 - 1:26:10 - Jordan helped with Pippen and he passes out. Jordan follows Magic around and he passes to open man for 3. (Jordan - 16 PPD)
Possession 48 - 1:28:50 - Jordan on Magic, this time not walled with Pippen's help.
Possession 49 - 1:32:08 - Jordan on Magic, he passes and Jordan follows Magic around, this time on opposite wing, overhead pass to Perkins who is fouled and1.
Possession 50 - 1:40:09 - Jordan on Magic, gets help as he passes to Perkins making the open 3 late in game.
END OF GAME

Final tally
16 PPD
4 EPPD
8 IPPD

11 PP
8 IPP
2 EPP

5 HPD
2 EHPD
2 IHPD

5 NDBX
70 possessions available
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Re: Retro Player of the Year 1990-91 UPDATE — Michael Jordan 

Post#93 » by Djoker » Wed Jul 2, 2025 3:57 pm

I realized I never posted my defensive tracking for series outside of the Finals for 1991 Jordan. Since all the tracking is being posted in POY threads, I won't bother making a new thread and will just post here.

1st Round vs. Knicks (3 Games)

Spoiler:
dFG%: 7/22 (31.8%)
dTS%: 24 points on 44.7 %TS (7/22 FG, 9/11 FT)
7 turnovers forced (7 steals)
5 deflections
6 shooting fouls committed
1 blow by
2 blocks
1 goaltending


ECSF vs. Sixers (5 Games)

Spoiler:
dFG%: 18/54 (33.3%)
dTS%: 59 points on 46.3 %TS (18/54 FG, 21/22 FT)
9 turnovers forced (9 steals)
15 deflections
11 shooting fouls committed
1 technical foul committed
8 blow by's
11 blocks

vs. Hersey Hawkins
dTS%: 34 points on 49.6 %TS (10/29 FG, 12/12 FT)


ECF vs. Pistons (4 Games)

Spoiler:
dFG%: 22/55 (40.0%)
dTS%: 59 points on 47.9 %TS (22/55 FG, 13/15 FT)
13 turnovers forced (9 steals, 3 charges, 1 shot clock violation)
2 deflections
9 shooting fouls committed
4 blow by's
9 blocks

vs. Joe Dumars
dTS%: 26 points on 48.6 %TS (11/25 FG, 3/4 FT)
1 turnover forced (1 shot clock violation)


Finals vs. Lakers (5 Games)

Spoiler:
dFG%: 13/23 (56.5%)
dTS%: 48 points on 72.5 %TS (13/23 FG, 20/23 FT)
16 turnovers forced (14 steals, 1 charge, 1 shot clock violation)
4 deflections
12 shooting fouls committed
10 blow by's
7 blocks

vs. Magic Johnson
dTS%: 34 points on 87.3 %TS (8/12, 16/17)
4 turnovers forced (2 steals, 1 charge, 1 shot clock violation)


Entire Postseason Run (17 Games)

Spoiler:
dFG%: 60/154 (39.0%)
dTS%: 190 points on 51.3 %TS (60/154 FG, 63/71 FT)
45 turnovers forced (39 steals, 4 charges, 2 shot clock violations)
26 deflections
38 shooting fouls committed
15 non-shooting fouls committed
23 blow by's
29 blocks


Jordan was very strong on defense through the East playoffs then struggled defending Magic in the Finals, most of it in Game 1 and Game 4 being overzealous fouling. One thing that's difficult to quantify is shot deterrence. While Magic was super effective when he went at Jordan, he did so at very low volume. By my crude estimation of defensive possessions, Magic only put up ~12 pts/75 possessions when defended by MJ compared to ~22 pts/75 possessions when defended by other Bulls. This was discussed at length earlier in the thread too.

All in all looking at MJ's defense, he not only played good man defense but caused a ton of damage off-ball. He helped effectively in many instances although that is something that is subjective so I didn't explicitly track it. He caused a ton of steals and deflections playing the passing lanes too. He even provided a lot of secondary paint protection rotating over to the rim to block shots. 29 blocks in 17 games is a super nice tally for a SG.

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