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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#661 » by Pointgod » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:17 pm

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1. Utah Jazz

Cooper Flagg, SF/PF, Duke
Freshman | TS%: 60.0%

Flagg's outstanding freshman season ended in surprising fashion, as a controversial late-game call helped Houston overcome a significant deficit to advance past Duke to the national championship game. Though Flagg came up short on a potential game-winning shot, he had a string of phenomenal plays on both ends of the floor, confirming his status as the best player in college basketball. He finished the game with 27 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 blocks and 2 steals in somewhat of an off-night from an efficiency standpoint for him.

It's difficult to see Flagg not declaring for the draft at this point considering the No. 1 pick is at stake, and the Jazz would surely be thrilled to add a player with his versatility and star power to pair with Lauri Markkanen and Walker Kessler in what would quickly become a formidable frontcourt. -- Givony


2. Washington Wizards
Dylan Harper, SG/PG, Rutgers
Freshman | TS%: 59.3%

Though Rutgers didn't come close to making the NCAA tournament, Harper did what he needed to this season, positioning himself as the favorite to come off the board at No. 2. His archetype as a jumbo playmaking guard with real feel isn't easy to find; NBA teams have been drawn to Harper's mix of pick-and-roll instincts, downhill scoring and physical strength.

There are questions about just how good a shooter Harper is (he averaged 75% from the line and 33% from 3), something he can help answer in predraft workouts. He'll likely be tough to pass on at this spot, and would be a strong fit with the Wizards, who could use a playmaker in his mold. -- Woo


3. Charlotte Hornets
Airious "Ace" Bailey, SG/SF, Rutgers
Freshman | TS%: 54.0%

Bailey's season was polarizing by top-five-pick standards, but the rarity of his skill set has held him steady near the top of teams' draft boards. There were some impressive highs that put his talent on full display, as well as some predictable inconsistency and subpar efficiency that he'll have to iron out as he matures. Still, there aren't many players Bailey's size (6-foot-10, 200 pounds) who can create and make the difficult shots he takes, which will earn him the opportunity to continue developing in the pros.

Though he's probably not ready to contribute to winning immediately, landing with a patient NBA team that can afford him the time he needs should help. There could be some duplication in Charlotte with Brandon Miller, but Bailey's upside is tempting. -- Woo



4. New Orleans Pelicans
VJ Edgecombe, SG, Baylor
Freshman | TS%: 56.1%

The Big 12 Freshman of the Year, Edgecombe had a largely successful season showing off his explosive physical tools, strong intensity and rapidly improving skill level as a ball handler, finisher and perimeter shooter.

The Pelicans need some star power to build around and could pair two of the league's most tantalizing talents alongside each other in Edgecombe and Zion Williamson, which would make New Orleans an exciting team to watch next season. -- Givony


5. Philadelphia 76ers
Tre Johnson, SG, Texas
Freshman | TS%: 56.1%

Johnson is a prototype for what many NBA teams are seeking at the wing position, standing 6-6 with a 6-10 wingspan, dynamic shotmaking prowess and the skill level, versatility and aggressiveness to create shots in bunches. He scored about 20 points per game and made 40% of his 3s in 2024-25, and he shouldn't have issues filling up the scoring column in the NBA.

The Sixers, already eliminated from the postseason, would be thrilled to keep their pick after a miserable season and could have interest in adding a 19-year-old wing who'd bring plenty of scoring power. -- Givony


6. Brooklyn Nets
Jeremiah Fears, PG, Oklahoma
Freshman | TS%: 57.0%

Fears emerged as a top freshman despite being one of the youngest players in college basketball (he turns 19 in October). His combination of size, speed, pace, shotmaking and shot creation gives him significant long-term upside, as he gets anywhere he wants on the floor, either to create opportunities for teammates while dishing on the move, to finish skillfully in the lane or to get to the free throw line.

The Nets have a significant void in their backcourt, and Fears' youth and talent could make him a player they'd want to closely study. -- Givony


7. Toronto Raptors
Khaman Maluach, C, Duke
Freshman | TS%: 74.7%

Maluach was in the middle of a strong NCAA tournament -- posting a combined 27 points, 15 rebounds and 6 blocks in 55 minutes against Arizona and Alabama in the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight, respectively -- until he ran into a physical, veteran Houston team that dominated him inside the paint in the Final Four. The 18-year-old center needs to get stronger, tougher and more experienced to handle those types of matchups, but he had a fantastic freshman season overall.

His ability to anchor a defense with his 7-foot-6 wingspan and provide vertical spacing as a roller and cutter while sprinting the floor aggressively in transition is clearly valuable, and the Raptors have a clear need for a player in that mold with his long-term projection. -- Givony


8. San Antonio Spurs
Kon Knueppel, SG/SF, Duke
Freshman | TS%: 64.8%

Knueppel was highly dependable within his role at Duke, giving the Blue Devils elite efficiency and spacing while proving a better playmaker and defender than some expected in the preseason. Though not especially athletic by NBA standards, Knueppel helped himself in a big way this season, reinforcing how much substance there is to his game.

Duke's Final Four exit wasn't reflective of his contributions, and the constant demand for perimeter shooting has kept his draft stock strong. The Spurs could use a wing in his mold to help steady their young roster and space the floor for their stars. -- Woo




9. Portland Trail Blazers
Kasparas Jakucionis, PG, Illinois
Freshman | TS%: 59.8%

Jakucionis made a successful leap from Europe to Division I and boosted his perception as an NBA prospect. The Lithuanian guard showcased his playmaking savvy and admirably handled a huge role at Illinois. He faced challenging stretches during the season, struggling with efficiency and turnovers as defenses loaded up to stop him.

There's still plenty to like long term with his intangibles and ability to play both backcourt spots, keeping him in the lottery picture amid an intriguing group of guards. The Trail Blazers could benefit from adding his decision-making and unselfish style to their backcourt mix. -- Woo


10. Houston Rockets (via Phoenix)
Collin Murray-Boyles, PF/C, South Carolina
Sophomore | TS%: 64.0%

Despite a challenging campaign that left South Carolina with a 2-16 record in SEC play, it's hard to fault Murray-Boyles, given his consistent effort and production. His draft stock held steady in the mid-first round, with a chance for him to wind up in the lottery depending on what teams prioritize. Though undersized (6-foot-8 and 245 pounds) for his position, Murray-Boyles' mix of offensive feel, defensive playmaking, physicality and toughness endears him to NBA teams that can picture him scaling down into a supporting role.

The predraft process will allow him to demonstrate room for growth as a jump shooter, something that will be essential to maximizing his value in the pros. His intangibles and potential versatility could make him a strong fit with the Rockets, who could use another big to help do the dirty work. -- Woo


Is this a mock or big board? I don’t think Charlotte goes Ace Bailey (and I hope for his sake he doesn’t land on Charlotte) when you already have Brandon Miller at the 3. I love the idea of Edgecomb with Miller and Lamelo, then ship out Miles Bridges bum ass for a defensive 4/5
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#662 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:18 pm

Tripod wrote:The good thing if we grab Queen, he immediately plugs a hole in the 2nd unit and you still have the upside. But he is more ready to be a positive player vs Maluach or likely any of the guards.

And you could experiment with playing him and Yak together to see how that meshes...which is likely good because everyone plays well with Yak it seems.

I just hope we enter next season with a legit good backup C


If Khaman comes into the NBA doing the exact same things he did at Duke, that would be way more ready to positively impact our 2nd unit next year compared to the non-defensive somewhat poor screen setter in Queen
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#663 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:21 pm

Mock ^
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#664 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:22 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44569663/2025-nba-mock-draft-first-round-picks-predictions-march-madness-ncaa-mens-tournament-cooper-flagg

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This isn't the way I hope the draft goes (I am hoping we have a shot at Fears or Johnson), but this is one of the most accurate looking mocks to date. Aside from Queen (who I think could go higher....but who knows). Queen is a tough one to project. Workouts could make or break him. Teams will be expecting him to.produce from day one & may not view him as an "upside" pick.


It will be measurement, not workout.
If Queen is measured with 7'4 wingspan and capable of playing at the C, he can be in the top 6 conversation.
He will have a defensive position like Johnson and Fears, while having an offense against his own position.


Queen's wingspan is around 7'0. How did you pull out 7'4? At best it's been reported at 7'1.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#665 » by Indeed » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:26 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
This isn't the way I hope the draft goes (I am hoping we have a shot at Fears or Johnson), but this is one of the most accurate looking mocks to date. Aside from Queen (who I think could go higher....but who knows). Queen is a tough one to project. Workouts could make or break him. Teams will be expecting him to.produce from day one & may not view him as an "upside" pick.


It will be measurement, not workout.
If Queen is measured with 7'4 wingspan and capable of playing at the C, he can be in the top 6 conversation.
He will have a defensive position like Johnson and Fears, while having an offense against his own position.


Queen's wingspan is around 7'0. How did you pull out 7'4? At best it's been reported at 7'1.


It is unlikely, but just saying the measurement would be the key.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#666 » by PoundTown » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:26 pm

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Tripod wrote:The good thing if we grab Queen, he immediately plugs a hole in the 2nd unit and you still have the upside. But he is more ready to be a positive player vs Maluach or likely any of the guards.

And you could experiment with playing him and Yak together to see how that meshes...which is likely good because everyone plays well with Yak it seems.

I just hope we enter next season with a legit good backup C


If Khaman comes into the NBA doing the exact same things he did at Duke, that would be way more ready to positively impact our 2nd unit next year compared to the non-defensive somewhat poor screen setter in Queen


I feel like what queen would give you would be like Kelly O on steroids offensively, with way better rebounding. I’m kind of a believer in him, because although the defence is the big worry, he has one of the more realistic paths to becoming an offensive game changer. He is smart, and I really project the offensive game to translate. Think guys like sengun, Damantas sabonis, Kevin love, guys that have high IQs, high skill level and understand angles and can also rebound. Guys like this are good enough and smart enough to take a chance on the defence. Queen looks like he could have all star level offensive talent to me and he’d be in a great spot playing that same role that Kelly played for us last year. He is 6th on my board at the moment.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#667 » by Quattro » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:28 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Quattro wrote:
Raptorfan2012 wrote:
I am sure Masai can pull some strings to help out Maluach. Trudeau is gone but I am sure Masai has other Canadian government contacts that can help. He can stay in Canada to continue his workout process until after the draft. Or maybe scare off other teams and pick up him with the 39th pick.


Why? So he can only play in 42 games a year? I wouldn't put anything past the xenophobic psychos running the US now so this kid is safer plying his trade in Europe.

He will still be taken in the first. You guys really think contenders aren’t comfortable taking him and stashing him somewhere for a few years? A team like OKC, or Houston, or Boston would love for him to fall into their laps.


He might be taken by someone but I have zero belief that things will be better down there in a few years. They're done
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#668 » by Pointgod » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:37 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:Mock ^


Yeah then I don’t see Charlotte passing up on Edgecomb who could be a defensive monster.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#669 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:38 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
surgery

True, at least she has better genes than Juanita Jordan.


who's ur top 10 right now?

Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe
Bailey
Johnson
Knueppel
Queen
CMB
Newell
Fears
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#670 » by grant101 » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:41 pm

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DG88 wrote:I think I saw a post that he declared for the draft. I think Masai was in Europe scouting him. Could be in play with our second round pick.


I hadn't seen it made official, but I hope he does come out this year. Markovic and Johnni Broome have been at the top of my 2nd rd pick wishlist all year. Bennett Stirtz joined them a few weeks ago. Markovic does so much well, and just knows how to play the game. Ridiculously underrated considering how productive he's been.


Well European players just don't get the same coverage as US college players, but I agree with you about how productive Markovic has been. These types of overseas players are usually second rounders because of buyouts or that teams seek draft and stash options. I think Markovic has some real talent and fits Toronto well because we don't have a stretch four/five and he has upside.

Stirtz I read has taken himself out of the draft process after signing his new NIL deal. You have to wait a year on that one. Broome is too old for me (he'll be 23 in July). I was hoping for better shooting profile by now. There has to be younger options.


Hadn’t heard about Stirtz going back. Probably a good call, but bummer for us. Love his game.

Broome is the definition of “hitting a single.” I’m pretty confident he plays several productive years in the league as a backup big - taking very little off the table. Getting that at a cost-controlled salary is a pretty good outcome for a mid second round pick.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#671 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:48 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:True, at least she has better genes than Juanita Jordan.


who's ur top 10 right now?

Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe
Bailey
Johnson
Knueppel
Queen
CMB
Newell
Fears


I got

Flagg (tier 1)

Harper,
Edgecome (Tier 2)

Bailey
Johnson
Queen
Kasp (Tier 3)

CMB
Knueppel
Fears (Tier 4)
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Post#672 » by Psubs » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:50 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:
Tripod wrote:The good thing if we grab Queen, he immediately plugs a hole in the 2nd unit and you still have the upside. But he is more ready to be a positive player vs Maluach or likely any of the guards.

And you could experiment with playing him and Yak together to see how that meshes...which is likely good because everyone plays well with Yak it seems.

I just hope we enter next season with a legit good backup C


If Khaman comes into the NBA doing the exact same things he did at Duke, that would be way more ready to positively impact our 2nd unit next year compared to the non-defensive somewhat poor screen setter in Queen


I feel like what queen would give you would be like Kelly O on steroids offensively, with way better rebounding. I’m kind of a believer in him, because although the defence is the big worry, he has one of the more realistic paths to becoming an offensive game changer. He is smart, and I really project the offensive game to translate. Think guys like sengun, Damantas sabonis, Kevin love, guys that have high IQs, high skill level and understand angles and can also rebound. Guys like this are good enough and smart enough to take a chance on the defence. Queen looks like he could have all star level offensive talent to me and he’d be in a great spot playing that same role that Kelly played for us last year. He is 6th on my board at the moment.


Just seems like a player that will command max money but not really be worth it because he's slightly below average on defense. Think of the PF version of RJ Barrett.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#673 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:53 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
who's ur top 10 right now?

Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe
Bailey
Johnson
Knueppel
Queen
CMB
Newell
Fears


I got

Flagg (tier 1)

Harper,
Edgecome (Tier 2)

Bailey
Johnson
Queen
Kasp (Tier 3)

CMB
Knueppel
Fears (Tier 4)

So we’re swapping Kasp for Newell. I know Newell is boring, but I struggle to keep him out of the top tier because he’s just solid. I don’t think he’s even Al Horford, but I could see him being as good as a Brian Grant or PJ Brown. Guys who were 5th options that connected successful teams.

I want Kasp and Egor to be good so badly. They can both be so dynamic, but disappointing is not a good enough word to describe what they were last year.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#674 » by WuTang_CMB » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:56 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Flagg
Harper
Edgecombe
Bailey
Johnson
Knueppel
Queen
CMB
Newell
Fears


I got

Flagg (tier 1)

Harper,
Edgecome (Tier 2)

Bailey
Johnson
Queen
Kasp (Tier 3)

CMB
Knueppel
Fears (Tier 4)

So we’re swapping Kasp for Newell. I know Newell is boring, but I struggle to keep him out of the top tier because he’s just solid. I don’t think he’s even Al Horford, but I could see him being as good as a Brian Grant or PJ Brown. Guys who were 5th options that connected successful teams.

I want Kasp and Egor to be good so badly. They can both be so dynamic, but disappointing is not a good enough word to describe what they were last year.


We agree on Maluach too. The odds of a swing and miss are high - which is why taking him top 10 or even in the lottery doesnt make sense.. especially for us who needs PROVEN talent to add. I can't pick just on potential. Thats just me
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#675 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:58 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
I got

Flagg (tier 1)

Harper,
Edgecome (Tier 2)

Bailey
Johnson
Queen
Kasp (Tier 3)

CMB
Knueppel
Fears (Tier 4)

So we’re swapping Kasp for Newell. I know Newell is boring, but I struggle to keep him out of the top tier because he’s just solid. I don’t think he’s even Al Horford, but I could see him being as good as a Brian Grant or PJ Brown. Guys who were 5th options that connected successful teams.

I want Kasp and Egor to be good so badly. They can both be so dynamic, but disappointing is not a good enough word to describe what they were last year.


We agree on Maluach too. The odds of a swing and miss are high - which is why taking him top 10 or even in the lottery doesnt make sense.. especially for us who needs PROVEN talent to add. I can't pick just on potential

Yeah. If Masai takes the swing I’ll ride with the kid, but as of right now I can’t get behind picking him. He didn’t show me enough.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#676 » by Clutch0z24 » Tue Apr 8, 2025 11:30 pm

Tripod wrote:The good thing if we grab Queen, he immediately plugs a hole in the 2nd unit and you still have the upside. But he is more ready to be a positive player vs Maluach or likely any of the guards.

And you could experiment with playing him and Yak together to see how that meshes...which is likely good because everyone plays well with Yak it seems.

I just hope we enter next season with a legit good backup C


Yeah i agree if you actually want to compete next year Queen would be one of the guys around 7/8th that could contribute day 1....Maluach would not contribute right away imo and would take 2 years to really see what he could do....Queen/Fears/Tre could all make an impact as soon as their rookie years
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Post#677 » by TimeForChange » Tue Apr 8, 2025 11:34 pm

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-draft-big-board-v6

Queen at 5
Maluach at 9
CMB at 10
Fears at 11

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Post#678 » by Thaddy » Tue Apr 8, 2025 11:51 pm

Queen looks too small for C and looks too slow for PF I don't see the fit with him on the Raptors next to Scottie, especially since neither can shoot well. Newell looks like the better fit now and in the long term. He reminds me of a mini Giannis, his rebounding numbers are good, he's springy and can move in the open floor, and he's shown more of a three point shot. Queen has an edge on footwork and fluidity but Newell isn't behind there, he's also younger than Queen. I doubt either is an all star but I could see us developing Newell and expanding his game. He's a known hard worker and you can see he's in great shape compared to Queen. I think he's going to destroy him in the athletic testing.

Newell would be my safe pick in this draft, and someone who's within our range. Worse case we get a 3rd big that can play both PF/C positions. But considering the state of our franchise we should be thinking about getting a high potential pick that our culture and development system can elevate to be the best player in the draft over the next 5 years. I would be looking at motor, size, toughness, fundamental skills, development curve in the past 3 years, and character rather than production.
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Post#679 » by djsunyc » Tue Apr 8, 2025 11:59 pm

team was a +9 net (112.7 ortg 103.7 drtg) with koloko ON court in 22/23 and his offense was bad. can maluach have a similar impact as a rookie?
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Post#680 » by Dalek » Wed Apr 9, 2025 12:06 am

I think if you hate Maulauch's feel than if you gamble on anyone to be a star, I think Noa Essengue should be a in consideration at 7 as he is getting stronger over the past few games. He has this whole Tashaun Prince vibe to him.

Noa Essengue is 6'11 has a 9'3.25'' standing reach better than Alex Sarr and Yves Missi.
62 TS%
He is usually the faster player running end to end.
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Willing passer - neutral ast-to ; mostly in a finisher role.
Youngest player in the class (I think)

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