2023 NBA Draft

[zimpy27]

Five games into the season and Keyonte George has beaten basically no one off the dribble.

This inability to put any pressure on the defense has caused the Jazz to have the worst offense in the NBA by nearly 7 (!!!) points per 100 possession as he's the main ball handler on the team.

On NBA.com, the Spurs are 29th in offense with a 104.4 ORtg, the Jazz are 30th at 97.8 ORtg.

He just doesn't look talented enough and the Jazz's reporters are openly questioning whether he's an NBA player.

I don't think he is an NBA level player. Oh well, it happens.

Jazz are in the drivers seat for a great pick this season.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Rating all the 2023 picks so far:

1. Wemby - Historically great as expected
2. Miller - Ehhh, doing OK so far, but is so inefficient that it's not great
3. Scoot - Clearly a huge disappointment unless he becomes an elite shooter
4. Amen - Very tough to evaluate, basically prime Ben Simmons with worse handles, but was Ben Simmons ever good?
5. Ausar - Same evaluation as his brother but he's slightly less explosive
6. AB - Will be fantastic if he ever become an elite shooter, but it very much has not been happening
7. Bilal - Project developing rapidly, unclear on the ceiling, but the clear #2 guy right now.
8. Jarace Walker - Still just extremely ehh
9. Taylor Hendricks - Was looking to be an OK role player at PF, but then blew up his leg
10. Cason Wallace - Hasn't developed offensively yet, but very solid rotation piece at least
11. Jett Howard - ... Still isn't happening yet
12. Lively - Very good starting center
13. Dick - Improving a lot, but needs to get way more accurate as a shooter
14. Jordan Hawkins - Probably just a bench guy due to lack of physical tools
15. Kobe Bufkin - Needs to eventually play minutes in the NBA...
16. Keyonte - Looking more like a career 6th man at best
17. JHS - Massive bust
18. Jaquez Jr - Good pick, but probably just a solid bench guy
19. Podz - Still has chance to be solid rotation guy
20. Whitmore - Barely plays anymore

Guys after 20 showing any pulse: Clowney, Ben Sheppard, Strawther, TJD, GG Jackson, Camara, Andre Jackson Jr.

Extremely light on stars other than Wemby so far.

[JMAC3]

https://dunksandthrees.com/stats/player

2023 Draft by best EPM this season- top 20 picks

Wemby 98th%
Brandon Miller 86th%
Derek Lively 85th%
Amen Thompson 83rd%
Gradey Dick 63rd%
Cason Wallace 52nd%
Pods 44th%
Black 37th%
Jacquez 35th%
Bilal 34th%
Whitmore 25th%
Jett 22nd%
Jarace 17th%
Hendricks 16th%
Hawkins 5th%
Keyonte 4th%
Scoot 2nd%

N/A- Ausar, Bufkin, JHS

[juanc]

Dereck Lively with an elite defensive sequence in the clutch.

Read on Twitter

He also has an on/off of +14.1(92%) per cleaning the glass. STUD

[HadAnEffectHere]

https://dunksandthrees.com/stats/player

2023 Draft by best EPM this season- top 20 picks

Wemby 98th%
Brandon Miller 86th%
Derek Lively 85th%
Amen Thompson 83rd%
Gradey Dick 63rd%
Cason Wallace 52nd%
Pods 44th%
Black 37th%
Jacquez 35th%
Bilal 34th%
Whitmore 25th%
Jett 22nd%
Jarace 17th%
Hendricks 16th%
Hawkins 5th%
Keyonte 4th%
Scoot 2nd%

N/A- Ausar, Bufkin, JHS

Hendricks broke his leg three games in, feels pretty unfair to include him, lol.

Keyonte unfortunately has been as bad as his EPM though.

[Catchall]

Keyonte George leads his draft class in points, made 3s and made FTs. He put up a career-high 35 pts. today. He'll very likely average over 20 ppg while still on his rookie contract.

Obviously, Wembanyama's health situation is a factor in this.

[babyjax13]

Keyonte George leads his draft class in points, made 3s and made FTs. He put up a career-high 35 pts. today. He'll very likely average over 20 ppg while still on his rookie contract.

Obviously, Wembanyama's health situation is a factor in this.

And he will get it on 35 shots a game

[ReggiesKnicks]

Keyonte George leads his draft class in points, made 3s and made FTs. He put up a career-high 35 pts. today. He'll very likely average over 20 ppg while still on his rookie contract.

Obviously, Wembanyama's health situation is a factor in this.

And he will get it on 35 shots a game

This is funny but last night he did it on 19 shots.

While his efficiency is rough, it isn't terrible given the circumstances. I don't think many people would have thought Keyonte would have a positive BPM this year but he has clearly improved on last year.

Increases in USG%, TS%, FTR, 3PAR, AST% REB%, STL%, BLK%, TOV% is rare for a rookie to sophomore jump.

[babyjax13]

Keyonte George leads his draft class in points, made 3s and made FTs. He put up a career-high 35 pts. today. He'll very likely average over 20 ppg while still on his rookie contract.

Obviously, Wembanyama's health situation is a factor in this.

And he will get it on 35 shots a game

This is funny but last night he did it on 19 shots.

While his efficiency is rough, it isn't terrible given the circumstances. I don't think many people would have thought Keyonte would have a positive BPM this year but he has clearly improved on last year.

Increases in USG%, TS%, FTR, 3PAR, AST% REB%, STL%, BLK%, TOV% is rare for a rookie to sophomore jump.

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

[ReggiesKnicks]

And he will get it on 35 shots a game

This is funny but last night he did it on 19 shots.

While his efficiency is rough, it isn't terrible given the circumstances. I don't think many people would have thought Keyonte would have a positive BPM this year but he has clearly improved on last year.

Increases in USG%, TS%, FTR, 3PAR, AST% REB%, STL%, BLK%, TOV% is rare for a rookie to sophomore jump.

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

[JMAC3]

This is funny but last night he did it on 19 shots.

While his efficiency is rough, it isn't terrible given the circumstances. I don't think many people would have thought Keyonte would have a positive BPM this year but he has clearly improved on last year.

Increases in USG%, TS%, FTR, 3PAR, AST% REB%, STL%, BLK%, TOV% is rare for a rookie to sophomore jump.

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

Haven't even mentioned he is terrible on defense.
73% off epm
1% def epm
24% overall epm

2nd worst Defensive player in the league by EPM.

[babyjax13]

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

Haven't even mentioned he is terrible on defense.
73% off epm
1% def epm
24% overall epm

2nd worst Defensive player in the league by EPM.

I'm curious if the move to 6th man mitigates that. It seems we've committed to Collier as the starting point guard, and unless we draft Harper, Fears, or Traore, I expect that to continue.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

Haven't even mentioned he is terrible on defense.
73% off epm
1% def epm
24% overall epm

2nd worst Defensive player in the league by EPM.

I don't think this needs mentioning

[Catchall]

This is funny but last night he did it on 19 shots.

While his efficiency is rough, it isn't terrible given the circumstances. I don't think many people would have thought Keyonte would have a positive BPM this year but he has clearly improved on last year.

Increases in USG%, TS%, FTR, 3PAR, AST% REB%, STL%, BLK%, TOV% is rare for a rookie to sophomore jump.

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

His efficiency is okay if he's not too wild off the dribble. His shooting off the catch is fine. I think he can be similar to Tyler Herro, both rolewise and statwise, in a couple years.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I quite like him, but in something like 40 percent of his games ge shoots less than 35 percent. I think as he reigns in his shot selection he can be pur new Jordan Clarkson, which is perfectly fine for where we drafted him.

I think there are some higher-end outcomes above Jordan Clarkson, but is it definitely the archetype/role I would also pencil him in. I think Keyonte has a clear path to being a better playmaker/passer than Clarkson, which is what truly unlocks a player like Keyonte from going from 6th man type (Jordan Clarkson) to an actual starting level player (See Austin Reaves).

His efficiency is okay if he's not too wild off the dribble. His shooting off the catch is fine. I think he can be similar to Tyler Herro, both rolewise and statwise, in a couple years.

Yeah, that would be his super high-end outcome, but probably not very realistic.

[EvanZ]

Jaquez shot out of the gates his rookie season but it seems like he had a fairly quiet sophomore run. Doesn’t seem to be in the Heat’s playoff rotation. What are people’s thoughts on him going forward?

[EMG518]

Jaquez shot out of the gates his rookie season but it seems like he had a fairly quiet sophomore run. Doesn’t seem to be in the Heat’s playoff rotation. What are people’s thoughts on him going forward?

Haven't had a chance to watch the Heat this season but considering the roster, I think it's weird how much he hasn't played. I'm still a fan and think he is going to have a good career.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Jaquez shot out of the gates his rookie season but it seems like he had a fairly quiet sophomore run. Doesn’t seem to be in the Heat’s playoff rotation. What are people’s thoughts on him going forward?

Unathletic tweener (can't really bang with bigs and isn't quick enough to defend on the perimeter) who isn't a good shooter but has some connecting skills as a passer and play finisher. Not destined for a long NBA career unless he can carve out a Georges Niang type role.

[JMAC3]

It is pretty crazy how bad picks 6-17 were in this draft class.

[ReggiesKnicks]

It is pretty crazy how bad picks 6-17 were in this draft class.

Is it that bad?

AB is questionable
Bilal projects to be something of substance
Walker was getting minutes on a team in the NBA Finals, in the post-season, until he was injured
Hendricks broke his leg, DOA
Wallace was a key contributor to an NBA Champion, playing > 20 MPG in the post-season and closer to 30 MPG in the regular season for the highest SRS team in NBA history
Howard is nothing
Lively was a starting Center for an NBA Finals team
Dick is going to be a long-term NBA rotation player
Hawkins, Bufkin, Keyonte and JHS suck

The 7-13 is quite good for a draft.