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levon wrote:Dr Aki wrote:
Lakers broadcast said this ref told them to give condolences to his friend who recently died, so he probably wasn't in the right headspace. But if you're clearly wrong the officiating crew should be able to correct you on techs. I don't think I've ever seen a ref say "my bad" on a tech the way they overturn out of bounds plays.
levon wrote:OxAndFox wrote:Yoshun wrote:
Players shouldn't be tossed for "whining."
I can see excessive cursing, threats, physical contact, getting right in a ref's face repeatedly, etc... Not for "whining" though. There would be 6-8 guys getting tossed every game.
Incorrect. If the NBA actually did something and got the refs to start Tech'ing players like they should, the whining stops. And who knows, we might actually get a better product, from both the refs and the players.
This doesn't work in practice. Refs are people and have different skin thicknesses. And you really think they'd be tossing Draymond every night? What would likely happen is role players being T'd up more for weak ****.
RunOKC wrote:Jazz9 wrote:Why are people talking about whining when the call that got Luka ejected has nothing to do with that?
From the Refs POV Luka is screaming an expletive right in his direction... after an entire game of whining/screaming at that ref he isn't getting the benefit of the doubt on that (and the refs will never admit they screwed up and overturn it too)
It's wrong but that's why the build up to the ejection matters. Conduct yourself with class for most of the game and you aren't in that position to be ejected on some petty bs.
OxAndFox wrote:levon wrote:OxAndFox wrote:
Incorrect. If the NBA actually did something and got the refs to start Tech'ing players like they should, the whining stops. And who knows, we might actually get a better product, from both the refs and the players.
This doesn't work in practice. Refs are people and have different skin thicknesses. And you really think they'd be tossing Draymond every night? What would likely happen is role players being T'd up more for weak ****.
It literally does though.
Like in every sports league that wants to either end it or keep the chatter to a minimum, it works the world over. Everything the NBA has as point of emphasis, no matter what it is, it works, but oh no it wouldn't with whinging. GTFOH. The problem for the NBA is always they allow things to come back in over time ie flopping.
If Dray got tossed every night you know what would happen? Steve Kerr would say it's starting to effect the team Dray. Shut your mouth and play the game. Steph would call Dray out in the locker room. Dray would then stop it.
Dray is ONLY doing it because he knows the officials will change a handful of calls to favor the Warriors eventually. It's a tactic.
Bogut/Dray had it with the illegal screens. They can't call every single one. Everyone keeps saying its what OKC are doing on D. They can't call every one. The biggest blight on the NBA is players whinging all the time and it's the easiest thing to fix.
I'll give you an example of a professional league doing it. The AFL in Australia they put a rather strict dissent rule in place where the players weren't even allowed to point at the big screen for the umpire to watch the replay and show they might have got the call wrong.
These types of things, along with complaining to the umpire went away almost overnight. It works, professional players adapt particularly quickly. It's all about what the code/sport wants from its product. I am 100% certain the NBA doesn't do anything about it because they actually like it. They think its part of the entertainment. Unfortunately.
leolozon wrote:I’ve read on reddit that the Lakers’ crew said pregame that one of the ref had a close friend die during the day.
If it’s true, maybe that’s why he was sensitive, but then he shouldn’t be working.
levon wrote:Dort had three flops in this game that were more tech-worthy than that, and he was actually rewarded with an offensive foul on one.
levon wrote:OxAndFox wrote:levon wrote:This doesn't work in practice. Refs are people and have different skin thicknesses. And you really think they'd be tossing Draymond every night? What would likely happen is role players being T'd up more for weak ****.
It literally does though.
Like in every sports league that wants to either end it or keep the chatter to a minimum, it works the world over. Everything the NBA has as point of emphasis, no matter what it is, it works, but oh no it wouldn't with whinging. GTFOH. The problem for the NBA is always they allow things to come back in over time ie flopping.
If Dray got tossed every night you know what would happen? Steve Kerr would say it's starting to effect the team Dray. Shut your mouth and play the game. Steph would call Dray out in the locker room. Dray would then stop it.
Dray is ONLY doing it because he knows the officials will change a handful of calls to favor the Warriors eventually. It's a tactic.
Bogut/Dray had it with the illegal screens. They can't call every single one. Everyone keeps saying its what OKC are doing on D. They can't call every one. The biggest blight on the NBA is players whinging all the time and it's the easiest thing to fix.
I'll give you an example of a professional league doing it. The AFL in Australia they put a rather strict dissent rule in place where the players weren't even allowed to point at the big screen for the umpire to watch the replay and show they might have got the call wrong.
These types of things, along with complaining to the umpire went away almost overnight. It works, professional players adapt particularly quickly. It's all about what the code/sport wants from its product. I am 100% certain the NBA doesn't do anything about it because they actually like it. They think its part of the entertainment. Unfortunately.
I don't want a league where everyone stays quiet and unemotional and nobody talks to the refs. The refs aren't overlords, they're officiating and the goal is to have an entertaining product where the sum total of errors at the end of a game didn't really favor one team or another or worse, decide the game.
This was simply JT Orr failing at doing that. It's bad officiating that accomplished nothing correctional and deprived the fans of a good game. If anything, Luka is probably going to be more distrustful and embittered towards officials going forward after this.
And you know what man, NBA officiating isn't keeping up with the players' talent. If anything the quality is dropping. Far too many wild swings between overly pedantic and letting everything go within the same game even. I've been a fan for 25 years and I feel like I only get a foul call right 70% of the time? If I still don't know what a foul is, how is a 23 year old player gonna respond after feeling like he's laying it all out there and getting shafted? The primary problem is that the refs suck. The players have room to grow, but so do the refs equally if not more, and I'm only paying to watch one of those groups of people.
Dr Aki wrote:levon wrote:Dr Aki wrote:
Lakers broadcast said this ref told them to give condolences to his friend who recently died, so he probably wasn't in the right headspace. But if you're clearly wrong the officiating crew should be able to correct you on techs. I don't think I've ever seen a ref say "my bad" on a tech the way they overturn out of bounds plays.
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before;
Dr Aki wrote:Looks like we gonna have a 10 page polemic
On the plus side, Luka's going to be take it out on the Mavs tomorrow
EArl wrote:I feel reffing is so unfair. If they are going to eject Luka for that, then Draymond should not be playing half of his games easily.
