knicks lose....i blame mpharris who blames thibs

[WaltFrazier]

I know yall hate moral victories, but just being competitive is a sign of improvement.

We need at least a year of continuity and chemistry to even dream of being as good as the C’s . We’re headed in the right direction.

How long will it take Mike Malone to build that continuity and chemistry?

As long as Scott Brooks, Steve Clifford, Vinny Del Negro, Dwayne Casey, Mike Brown and Tom Thibiorc. All useless parking cone coaches good for -5 wins a year and the creativity of a cinder block. Malone sucks.

I racked my brain to see the difference between Malone and that list of coaches. Oh yeah, a championship

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I feel like for the foul vs no foul crowd, this should be posted on every page.

Watch on YouTube

It's already happened in a playoff game that we lost, this is who we are, this is what we're coached by.

[nedleeds]

at the end of the day, losing a close game to them doesn't really matter that we need to analyze it to death. would you have been more convinced we can beat them 4 times out of 7 if we won ?

my biggest takeaway from this game for the possible series is that the jaylen brown injury seems serious and that might possibly give us a chance. albeit a small one.

Man that injury prob improved our chances by 2%

I'm old enough to remember their 2nd best player was out basically the whole playoffs and they washed everyone.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don’t mind Hart in the game since he makes a lot of plays, but he should have been inbounding the ball

[nedleeds]

How long will it take Mike Malone to build that continuity and chemistry?

As long as Scott Brooks, Steve Clifford, Vinny Del Negro, Dwayne Casey, Mike Brown and Tom Thibiorc. All useless parking cone coaches good for -5 wins a year and the creativity of a cinder block. Malone sucks.

I racked my brain to see the difference between Malone and that list of coaches. Oh yeah, a championship

The difference is actually a top 5 offensive player to ever play basketball. All those dudes would have won with Jokic if they were given the years Malone got to fail. Squint harder.

[WaltFrazier]

As long as Scott Brooks, Steve Clifford, Vinny Del Negro, Dwayne Casey, Mike Brown and Tom Thibiorc. All useless parking cone coaches good for -5 wins a year and the creativity of a cinder block. Malone sucks.

I racked my brain to see the difference between Malone and that list of coaches. Oh yeah, a championship

The difference is actually a top 5 offensive player to ever play basketball. Squint harder.

Which superior coach has won a championship without a superstar, usually 2 or more superstars.

[DOT]

Leon looks like the kinda guy who would kill his young protege that saved his life at the end of a series to tie up a loose end. So im still hopeful he will do the right thing here.

How Leon gonna be looking at Hart in the offseason:

[GONYK]

Knicks have the 3rd lowest ast% in the clutch

The Knicks have the 4th best win % in the clutch and average the second most assists per game in clutch situations though.

Denver has the highest ast % in the clutch with 68%, but average 2.4 APG in clutch situations.

The Knicks have an ast% of 46.9%, but average 2.1 APG in clutch situations.

So what that says is that all teams ISO in the clutch.

No it does not.

There is no stat currently on NBA.com that shows play type in the clutch by team that I’ve found. What we do know is that IF they pass the ball instead of usual ISO shot, we make those shots leading to a higher assists total for the amount of passes we make.

Thibs did the same thing with Randle before Brunson came. Nonstop iso clutch. He even **** did it with Aaron Affalo.

When did Thibs coach Aaron Afflalo?

You're right, there is no playtype stat. So you don't have any definitive evidence that all the Knicks do is ISO. If you tell me it comes from watching the games, that's fine, but then I'll say watch close games all around the league and you'll see it mainly comes down to ISO possessions in the last 4 mins.

What we do know, statistically speaking, is that the Knicks attempt the most FG's per game in clutch situations (9.3) and make the most FGs per game in clutch situations (4.6). Their FG% in those situations (49%) is second only to Denver (51%). And again, they are second in the league in APG in those situations.

So I don't see any real case that what we're doing isn't the most effective way to generate a quality look against a locked-in defense at the end of games. Especially since we have a better win % in those situations than every team in the league outside of CLE, BOS and OKC. Out of those 3 elite teams, only OKC is in the top 10 for AST %. Cleveland is in the bottom 10 with us.

[nedleeds]

I racked my brain to see the difference between Malone and that list of coaches. Oh yeah, a championship

The difference is actually a top 5 offensive player to ever play basketball. Squint harder.

Which superior coach has won a championship without a superstar, usually 2 or more superstars.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying there's nothing Mike Malone is doing other than being given years and years to fail. He's as innovative as a brick.

[dakomish23]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

[GONYK]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

[DOT]

I don’t mind Hart in the game since he makes a lot of plays, but he should have been inbounding the ball

Hart's a guy who's really easy to like when he's in a limited role

But when he leads a team in minutes, his flaws are more easily exposed and it becomes frustrating.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I have a pretty sceptical attitude towards Thibs, and, yes, there were one or two end of game errors. However, I don't think an overtime loss to the Celtics - who are likely to make a decent fist of defending their championship - is where to start the analysis.

Why is the opponent even relative? Could have been a 4th grade girls team. You go to like 95% to win if you just foul.

Yes. You're right on that specific play. But that's totally not the point of what is wrong with Thibs as a coach. And it's not even a pointer to what is wrong.

The point isn't that Thibs makes end of game errors all the time. ... He probably does make a slightly above average number. The point is that he grinds his players into the dust, doesn't give experience to his bench leading to problems when his rotation crumbles, and his "schemes", both on offence and defence, are pants/outdated.

Yes. He'd be better with not having Hart in the game to have the ball end up in his hands for a putative game winning 3. But that's the icing on the cake.

[Guano]

The Knicks have the 4th best win % in the clutch and average the second most assists per game in clutch situations though.

Denver has the highest ast % in the clutch with 68%, but average 2.4 APG in clutch situations.

The Knicks have an ast% of 46.9%, but average 2.1 APG in clutch situations.

So what that says is that all teams ISO in the clutch.

I think this is obvious but there are ways to set it up better. Why have a nonshooter in jHart in the game with 3 secs left. We continue to have issues inbounding the ball. Small sht like that. We hardly ever run a PnR with kat and Brunson to put pressure on the d.

I think some of that stuff is valid. And also that it is a 1v1 game at the end a lot.

Clutch is a close game with 5 mins left. I’m not talking about 20 secs left and we need a bucket to take the lead or tie it scenarios. Watch down the stretch of every close game. All Thibs has is ISO. Other teams run offense till those final moments. We don’t.

Tbf, we don't really run offense all game

[Guano]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

- kat not shooting 10 3s a game

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don’t mind Hart in the game since he makes a lot of plays, but he should have been inbounding the ball

He should be pulled from the game for Deuce or Mitch if KP is going to be on him, he should never play a minute when KP is on the floor if he's not making the three.

With Mitch KP at least has to worry about protecting the glass and can't just roam all over the place, and with Deuce out there instead they'd be less inclined to put him on a guard that can get by him and hit the three.

[GONYK]

I think this is obvious but there are ways to set it up better. Why have a nonshooter in jHart in the game with 3 secs left. We continue to have issues inbounding the ball. Small sht like that. We hardly ever run a PnR with kat and Brunson to put pressure on the d.

I think some of that stuff is valid. And also that it is a 1v1 game at the end a lot.

Clutch is a close game with 5 mins left. I’m not talking about 20 secs left and we need a bucket to take the lead or tie it scenarios. Watch down the stretch of every close game. All Thibs has is ISO. Other teams run offense till those final moments. We don’t.

Tbf, we don't really run offense all game

This is actually the fairest criticism

[3toheadmelo]

Brunson EFG%

in clutch - 48.1%
in clutch2 (when the attempt has a top 1% chance of winning the game) - 70%

Brunson is 23% of our FGA in the clutch

https://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnPlayerSplit.php?season=2024&team=ALL&pos=ALL&po=0&frdt=2024-10-22&todt=2025-04-08&shot=both&grp=1&dst=plyr&sort=sfg4&order=DESC

Brunson covers up A LOT for how weak our offensive scheme is by making ISO shots time and again

Whats the point in having a Ferrari if you're not going to drive it?

Stars take over in the clutch in ISOs. I mean we just saw Tatum send the game to OT lol

[dakomish23]

The Knicks have the 4th best win % in the clutch and average the second most assists per game in clutch situations though.

Denver has the highest ast % in the clutch with 68%, but average 2.4 APG in clutch situations.

The Knicks have an ast% of 46.9%, but average 2.1 APG in clutch situations.

So what that says is that all teams ISO in the clutch.

No it does not.

There is no stat currently on NBA.com that shows play type in the clutch by team that I’ve found. What we do know is that IF they pass the ball instead of usual ISO shot, we make those shots leading to a higher assists total for the amount of passes we make.

Thibs did the same thing with Randle before Brunson came. Nonstop iso clutch. He even **** did it with Aaron Affalo.

When did Thibs coach Aaron Afflalo?

You're right, there is no playtype stat. So you don't have any definitive evidence that all the Knicks do is ISO. If you tell me it comes from watching the games, that's fine, but then I'll say watch close games all around the league and you'll see it mainly comes down to ISO possessions in the last 4 mins.

What we do know, statistically speaking, is that the Knicks attempt the most FG's per game in clutch situations (9.3) and make the most FGs per game in clutch situations (4.6). Their FG% in those situations (49%) is second only to Denver (51%). And again, they are second in the league in APG in those situations.

So I don't see any real case that what we're doing isn't the most effective way to generate a quality look against a locked-in defense at the end of games. Especially since we have a better win % in those situations than every team in the league outside of CLE, BOS and OKC. Out of those 3 elite teams, only OKC is in the top 10 for AST %. Cleveland is in the bottom 10 with us.

I meant Burks. They're interchangeable guards in my mind.

In the playoffs, I'm going to manually do keep track. 5 mins left, game within 5 points. It's not the last shots for the W I'm pissed about.

[GONYK]

No it does not.

There is no stat currently on NBA.com that shows play type in the clutch by team that I’ve found. What we do know is that IF they pass the ball instead of usual ISO shot, we make those shots leading to a higher assists total for the amount of passes we make.

Thibs did the same thing with Randle before Brunson came. Nonstop iso clutch. He even **** did it with Aaron Affalo.

When did Thibs coach Aaron Afflalo?

You're right, there is no playtype stat. So you don't have any definitive evidence that all the Knicks do is ISO. If you tell me it comes from watching the games, that's fine, but then I'll say watch close games all around the league and you'll see it mainly comes down to ISO possessions in the last 4 mins.

What we do know, statistically speaking, is that the Knicks attempt the most FG's per game in clutch situations (9.3) and make the most FGs per game in clutch situations (4.6). Their FG% in those situations (49%) is second only to Denver (51%). And again, they are second in the league in APG in those situations.

So I don't see any real case that what we're doing isn't the most effective way to generate a quality look against a locked-in defense at the end of games. Especially since we have a better win % in those situations than every team in the league outside of CLE, BOS and OKC. Out of those 3 elite teams, only OKC is in the top 10 for AST %. Cleveland is in the bottom 10 with us.

I meant Burks. They're interchangeable guards in my mind.

In the playoffs, I'm going to manually do keep track. 5 mins left, game within 5 points. It's not the last shots for the W I'm pissed about.

I mean this genuinely, I would love to see your analysis if you do track it manually.