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2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#181 » by Jcool0 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 12:52 pm

DuckIII wrote:Can someone who supports Newell explain to me why he’s not JAG? I see an NBA player there. A role player. Perhaps even a solid one with consistent role. But the type that can be acquired through free agency and moderate trades.

Are people advocating him based on on fit? Is that the idea? He does fit. Or is it based on the belief in a legitimately star level upside? Just trying to understand the perspective and strategy people are coming from on him.


I am sure Bulls fans like him because he was the #12 recruit, is 6'10" and potential to be a two-way player in the NBA, will be available in the Bulls range & will be just 20 during this rookie year. I would maybe compare him to Jaren Jackson Jr. For his first 4 seasons he averaged 16.4 ppg on 46/35/79 with 5.5 rebounds and 2.1 blocks which doesn't look impressive but he has the tools and impact you want. You can make a case as a fringe contender with a line up of GIddey, White, Matas (if they continue there improvement) & Newell (though i have no idea who is guarding the 1 or 2 in that lineup).

No matter how often I watch Asa Newell play basketball, I always want to watch more. Few players are as fun to watch punch the rim on offense and guard the rim on defense, with so many fun wrinkles to his game on both ends. He’s the ultimate high-floor player, as there just aren’t many things that Newell can’t do on the court.

That’s an odd sell for a player who I have seventh on my personal draft board, but the description undersells Newell’s impact. He’ll step in from day one as a likely starter in the NBA and will only get better. If he stays in his role forever, he’ll solve half of a team’s frontcourt for at least a half-decade, bringing consistent, easy offense and many different defensive solutions.

If he does keep developing, however, the possibility for a late-blooming star turn for Newell is in play. There have been past players like Pascal Siakam who have great physical profiles, toil away at their offense, and then emerge later to become offensive stars in the NBA. Siakam’s case is singular, but he’s the best-case scenario for Newell’s development if he can develop a better handle and shot.

That outcome is a single-digit percentage at most, but most of Newell’s outcomes are becoming a high-level starter on both ends in the NBA. That’s something that has lottery value for teams, even when there are multiple stars at play. He may not have the same star-sell as some other freshmen. Still, I’ve seen enough (and watched it over a few times) to feel confident in Newell being one of the more productive members of this draft class, regardless of the situation he enters at the next level.


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Post#182 » by patryk7754 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:30 pm

I've only seen a handful of college games this year and only the last two Florida games, but Richards really impressed me with his defense. On top of his defense, he seems to have a very solid offensive foundation to build off of. He kinda reminds me of a lesser version of Stephen Jackson. Seems like he'll go undrafted, but I think he'd be a great addition that can possibly develop into a good NBA defender and possibly a spot up shooter.

On top of that, I'd like to ake Tugler in the second. Defense is some of the best I've seen coming out of college in a while. The level of energy and intensity he brings on defense is the type that you see when a playoff game or two. (Thibs play him til he died).

Bonus if we can add another 2nd and draft Isaiah Evans in the second. Just a freshman so he may stay at Duke, but he seems to have a pretty good offensive game and can possibly develop into someone you can be a decent scorer/shooter of the bench
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Post#183 » by Guru » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:39 pm

DuckIII wrote:Can someone who supports Newell explain to me why he’s not JAG? I see an NBA player there. A role player. Perhaps even a solid one with consistent role. But the type that can be acquired through free agency and moderate trades.

Are people advocating him based on on fit? Is that the idea? He does fit. Or is it based on the belief in a legitimately star level upside? Just trying to understand the perspective and strategy people are coming from on him.


Ive watched him and I see a totally different player than others. It could be injury matchup whatever....I agree that my viewing is incomplete. But after watching them play several times Newell-Demin and Malauch are all on my do not draft list.
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Post#184 » by sco » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:41 pm

patryk7754 wrote:I've only seen a handful of college games this year and only the last two Florida games, but Richards really impressed me with his defense. On top of his defense, he seems to have a very solid offensive foundation to build off of. He kinda reminds me of a lesser version of Stephen Jackson. Seems like he'll go undrafted, but I think he'd be a great addition that can possibly develop into a good NBA defender and possibly a spot up shooter.

On top of that, I'd like to ake Tugler in the second. Defense is some of the best I've seen coming out of college in a while. The level of energy and intensity he brings on defense is the type that you see when a playoff game or two. (Thibs play him til he died).

Bonus if we can add another 2nd and draft Isaiah Evans in the second. Just a freshman so he may stay at Duke, but he seems to have a pretty good offensive game and can possibly develop into someone you can be a decent scorer/shooter of the bench

We obviously don't have the roster spot for our 2nd, but I guess there are the 2-ways.
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#185 » by 2weekswithpay » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:26 pm

DuckIII wrote:Can someone who supports Newell explain to me why he’s not JAG? I see an NBA player there. A role player. Perhaps even a solid one with consistent role. But the type that can be acquired through free agency and moderate trades.

Are people advocating him based on on fit? Is that the idea? He does fit. Or is it based on the belief in a legitimately star level upside? Just trying to understand the perspective and strategy people are coming from on him.


I don't see a star, but he has some positive shooting indicators, and if the shot comes around, his versatility will stand out. A tweener big who can defend multiple positions, rim run, and hit 3s aren't that easy to find IMO.

Myles Turner, KAT, Lopez, KP, Sarr, Mobley, Bam, Wemby, and Sabonis are the only bigs with 50+ dunks and 50+ 3s. You could include forwards like Lauri or John Collins if you think they should play the two big spots (4 & 5) and not the two forward spots (4 & 3). There are better ways to measure rim finishing than dunks, but I didn't want to waste too much time.

Newell has to develop a consistent shot, but a big that can shoot, defend, and score inside is a keeper.
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Post#189 » by boozapalooza » Wed Apr 9, 2025 6:17 pm

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Can you name a player like him who has been an all star recently?


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And Kon has way more game than Korver. Regardless, I’m a Kon fan but also don’t project him as a future Allstar type guy.


Gordon Hayward would be a good comp
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Post#193 » by burlydee » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:43 am

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And Kon has way more game than Korver. Regardless, I’m a Kon fan but also don’t project him as a future Allstar type guy.


Gordon Hayward would be a good comp


I don't think Kon is the level of athlete or ball handler of Hayward who was mostlya driver. I think Mike Miller might be a better comparison.

My biggest concern is that Kon can't guard and is "just" a shooter. He doesn't look athletic to me.
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I can't think of a player i want less. Not athletic enough. Not a good enough shooter. Not a good enough passer. Johnny Davis, Denzel Washington vibes.
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Post#195 » by Guru » Thu Apr 10, 2025 2:29 am

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And Kon has way more game than Korver. Regardless, I’m a Kon fan but also don’t project him as a future Allstar type guy.


Gordon Hayward would be a good comp


He was much more athletic and I think will end up 2-3 inches taller
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Post#196 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:33 am

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And Kon has way more game than Korver. Regardless, I’m a Kon fan but also don’t project him as a future Allstar type guy.


Gordon Hayward would be a good comp


He was much more athletic and I think will end up 2-3 inches taller



Podziemski is the closest recent comp I can think of. Kon’s athletic limitations will make getting there hard, though.
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Post#197 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:55 am

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He was much more athletic and I think will end up 2-3 inches taller



Podziemski is the closest recent comp I can think of. Kon’s athletic limitations will make getting there hard, though.


I kinda see some Nocioni in him but maybe I'm just a homer. Noc was solid but didn't have those passing chops. I also like how Kon is able to score and carry his team when he needs to, but he often chooses to be an elite passer because he doesn't have to score most games.
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I can't think of a player i want less. Not athletic enough. Not a good enough shooter. Not a good enough passer. Johnny Davis, Denzel Washington vibes.


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Post#199 » by Muzbar » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:19 am

So it seems likely that the Bulls will be picking in the 12-16 range (play-in games permitting).

Players I'd be quite happy with in that range:

Thomas Sorber
Noa Essengue
Will Riley
Carter Bryant

Players I'd very much like to avoid:

Egor Demin
Liam McNeeley
Collin Murray-Boyles
Danny Wolf

2nd round:

Bogoljub Marković
Rocco Zikarsky
Isaiah Evans
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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 2 

Post#200 » by 2weekswithpay » Thu Apr 10, 2025 7:20 am

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I can't think of a player i want less. Not athletic enough. Not a good enough shooter. Not a good enough passer. Johnny Davis, Denzel Washington vibes.


Jase shot 41% from 3 and 83% from the line. Davis shot 30% from 3 and 79% from in the line in his predraft season.

Jase got 89 shots at the rim and 122 free throw attempts. These numbers are higher than anything Denzel got in 4 collegiate seasons, and Jase is only 18 years old. Jase has 5 dunks as a 6'1/6'2 freshman, and Denzel had the same amount as a senior. Denzel was unique, you rarely see an athlete as bad as him make it to the NBA.

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