Heat at Bulls 4/9 @ 8 PM ET

[DayofMourning]

Blazers close.

[oreon]

I’m not in on this argument but you cant say this about Herro and then try to drag KD who’s been a much better player than Tyler this year

What does Herro have to do with KD ?
They are not related.

KD is a different argument. Do you give up your assets for a 36 year old KD who is no longer top 10 for a 2 year run. When your current team is nowhere near contention. And recent evidence from last 3 seasons has shown KD hasn't been able to elevate a crappy team to being elite.

The argument for KD is where he is, where the team is and the timeline. It just doesn't work with this version of KD for this team. It would have worked with the KD from 4 seasons ago. It would have worked if you still had Butler. But this team is so far from contending.

You need to save your assets to go after a younger stars, that gives you TIME to improve the roster. You get KD, you need to win that season.

I brought Tyler up because you’re contradicting yourself in your arguments right now.

What 10 players are without a doubt better than KD right now?

What are you talking about ? How does Herro having a good season have anything to do with KD. No one considers Herro an all nba player. No one was expecting Herro to drag a team to a top 4 seed. KD is considered by most a top 10 all nba guy. If you are one of those guys, you drag your team to a winning record. If you can't then there's gotta be questions.
Lebron and AD were getting dragged for not being able to get past the play in and their Lakers team had a winning record. But KD gets a pass ?

If we are talking about this season ? SGA, Giannis, Jovic, Ant, Jayson, Brunson, Curry, Lebron, Wemby have been better than him. Cade and Mitchell numbers are not as good as KD but in terms of wins, they had more impact.

And again the KD question is not whether he is good. Its whether he is good enough to lift this really bad team to contention. If we had Butler then the trade makes sense. But its just too much of an ask for this version of KD when you have limited time.
Lets say he was 30 and he was this version of KD, then the trade makes sense because you have time.

The argument against KD is time. You need to win now and we are not close. He needs to be a situation where the team is close other wise its just a waste

[DayofMourning]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

[oreon]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Bruh we 12 games under 500. We are not 1 away from anything significant

[HeatFanLifer]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

[DayofMourning]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Bruh we 12 games under 500. We are not 1 away from anything significant

Context.

[DayofMourning]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

You think this FO is gonna clean house....or go after KD?

[HeatFanLifer]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

You think this FO is gonna clean house....or go after KD?

Can’t say what they will do. But the cycle of this core has passed.

[Daffy]

For those who are saying we aren't close enough so it doesn't make sense to add KD. Think of this. We've blown 20 4th quarter leads to lose a game this season. I personally believe with KD we don't blow all those games having a true #1 score down the stretch to score or get easier looks for Bam and Herro. I'd say we win at least 10 of those 20 games. That would have us at 46 wins sitting ahead of Milwaukee. I'd also like to believe going into a season knowing we have KD and not Jimmy sand bagging it and having the whole drama probably adds another 5 wins or so to the record.

[Daffy]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

Do you think Bam and Herro are easily replaceable players? Do you think it's easy to hit on great players in the draft?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

Do you think Bam and Herro are easily replaceable players? Do you think it's easy to hit on great players in the draft?

I'd say herro is replaceable. Bam isn't.

Give me a no.1 scoring option.
Give me an excellent 2 way wing. (Who can be a 2nd or 3rd scorer)
Give me an excellent 2 way C. (Who can be a 2nd or 3rd scorer).

That's a building block core. Shooters and defenders are easy enough to fill in around that core.

[HeatFanLifer]

Don’t kid yourself DOM. 1) good stats on a bad team do not translate to good stats on a good team 2) this team needs a full rebuild. Heat management have been doing patchwork replacements for five years now. The cycle with this unit is over. Bam and Herro are good players, but they need to move on to a new system. As does the Heat.

Do you think Bam and Herro are easily replaceable players? Do you think it's easy to hit on great players in the draft?

I'd say herro is replaceable. Bam isn't.

Give me a no.1 scoring option.
Give me an excellent 2 way wing. (Who can be a 2nd or 3rd scorer)
Give me an excellent 2 way C. (Who can be a 2nd or 3rd scorer).

That's a building block core. Shooters and defenders are easy enough to fill in around that core.

If you name 5 players to build around for a championship, Bam aint up there. He will never be up there. Is he a great support player? Yes. But the Heat aren’t getting a franchise player to build with Bam. They had their chance with Yimmy. Bam is a starting center on a 10th seed team. The ship has sailed. Time to bring it back to port and reconfigure.

[Wiltside]

We just need Portland and Phoenix dubs and it's a perfect night.

And a Warriors loss as the cherry.

1 outta 3 aint bad

[Daffy]

We just need Portland and Phoenix dubs and it's a perfect night.

And a Warriors loss as the cherry.

1 outta 3 aint bad

It's sad man lol. At one point Phoenix was up 15. Portland was up with seconds left in the game as well. I stopped watching to enjoy a Greek salad and they're both losing. You can't make this up lol.

[VaDe255]

And a Warriors loss as the cherry.

1 outta 3 aint bad

It's sad man lol. At one point Phoenix was up 15. Portland was up with seconds left in the game as well. I stopped watching to enjoy a Greek salad and they're both losing. You can't make this up lol.

They lost 10 straight and effectively killed any shot at a decent seed. Instead of embracing a golden opportunity for a strong draft position and accepting that this team just isn't good enough, they stubbornly kept rolling out Herro and Bam every night, to scrape together wins against bottom-feeder and shorthanded squads.

All that... for what? A chance at home court in the second play-in game? Seriously?

And by doing so, they slid from the 9th to the 11th draft slot. At 9, they had a 20.3% chance at landing a top-4 pick. Now, at 11, that chance drops to 9.4%. Chasing meaningless wins with no real long-term vision.

It’s peak mediocrity: no direction, no willingness to rebuild, no accountability. Just stubborn pride and short sighted decisions. It’s the same lack of foresight that’s been lacking with Jimmy. The FO hasn't made a good move in a while, starting with the Rozier trade, then mishandling Butler, and now playing themselves out of a potentially franchise altering draft pick.

This team hasn’t picked below 10 in over a decade. They finally had a shot and threw it away for a play-in pipe dream. It’s exhausting to witness this kind of stubbornness and self sabotage

[vagelis]

Bulls are a very good team and won.

Miami has now low possibility to be in playoffs. They will have to win 2 games away.

Wiggins show up out of shape after all this absence.
Herro had a very good game but the decision he made at the end was atleast weird.
Adebayo had a mediocre game.

I am optimistic in general but after this game the chances are against Miami

[VaDe255]

Bulls are a very good team and won.

Miami has now low possibility to be in playoffs. They will have to win 2 games away.

Wiggins show up out of shape after all this absence.
Herro had a very good game but the decision he made at the end was atleast weird.
Adebayo had a mediocre game.

I am optimistic in general but after this game the chances are against Miami

Just blown out of proportion what Herro did. Fans want someone to blame.

He got a steal, which is preventing about 1 point scored for the other team and then took a wide open 3, which he probably makes 50% of the time instead of a layup, at worst it's 1.5 points instead of 2. Overall a sequence which gets the team 2.5 pts on average, yes lets roast him for that.

They lost because they are mid and the Bulls aren't a good team they are mid themselves hence why both are in the play-in spots.
Neither Bulls or Heat have any chance of a real playoff run.

[Jstock12]

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Just like Butler helped glue the Warriors together i can see Durant having that same effect with us. Sometimes all it takes is just one dynamic player to bring it all together.

But why hasn't been the glue for his last 2 teams.
33-29 this season is horrible for a top 10 player.
Any neutral analyst would his stints with Nets or Suns failures.
His last truly great year was the Nets runs where they got eliminated by Bucks. Since then his record is spotty. His teams just havent been elite and eventually end up collapsing. And fans here are quick to absolve him of any blame. The suns are awful and he was playing. He gets a lion share of the blame and next up is Booker. When you are all nba guy you gotta do better than 53 % win which what they were with him on the roster,

I am not saying he's a bad player. He's just not MVP top 10 level. That's the level of player Miami needs to drag this team past the 2nd round. Going after KD at his age is just pointless. With this roster, the ceiling is 2nd round and each year he will get worse

Yeah, plus the logic of the tweet seems weird. "Teams without KD struggled" - that’s kind of expected when you take the best player off any roster. Most teams fall apart without their superstar, so using that to prove how valuable KD is doesn’t really say much. A better comparison would be how other teams manage without their best guy vs teams without KD. Just feels like some cherry picking stat. I agree with you that KD isn't a bad player by any means and can improve any team, but he's clearly no longer the same.

[dshearn]

The Herro hate for the wide open 3 pointer he just stole is misplaced.

There is tons of blame for everyone on that loss.

[DayofMourning]

And a Warriors loss as the cherry.

1 outta 3 aint bad

It's sad man lol. At one point Phoenix was up 15. Portland was up with seconds left in the game as well. I stopped watching to enjoy a Greek salad and they're both losing. You can't make this up lol.

I was following the Blazers game. They missed so many FTs right at the end of regulation. They just let that one go. At one point it was the Blazers who looked like they were going to be the sole win out of the bunch. Then just miss after miss from the line when they had the game in control.