Heat at Bulls 4/9 @ 8 PM ET

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Everyone sucked outside of Davion, don’t let the box score fool you

[3ammy3uck3ts]

1 outta 3 aint bad

It's sad man lol. At one point Phoenix was up 15. Portland was up with seconds left in the game as well. I stopped watching to enjoy a Greek salad and they're both losing. You can't make this up lol.

I was following the Blazers game. They missed so many FTs right at the end of regulation. They just let that one go. At one point it was the Blazers who looked like they were going to be the sole win out of the bunch. Then just miss after miss from the line when they had the game in control.

Sharpe missed 3 straight clutch free throws to keep him from the 40 ball, insane

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jaime/Jovic, 2 1sts.

KD haul.

This is the haul. And we have the matching contracts in Rozier and Wiggins. Other teams might have a few more assets but don’t have the right matching contracts to get too Durant’s 54 million next year. Jaime, Jovic, GSW pick, and 2030 1st.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Feels like we are a legit number 1 away oreon.

KD fits this team like a glove. Hes averaging 27 a game on 18 shots. Super efficient offensive player. He is 36. I get it. The fit is so good tho.

I’m not sure why everything is so doom and gloom. We lost our best player in the middle of the season and replaced him with a guy who isn’t near as good and is almost never available. The drama of the season has drained everyone and they’re just ready for it to be over with. This offseason they’ll finally be able to reset, get some rest (Bam specifically had little to no rest due to the Olympics) and work on their bodies/games.

We’ve already seen what Jimmy/Bam/Spo can do regardless of who’s surrounding them. Getting a better player than Jimmy in KD who’s to say they can do it again or even better? Bam is a more complete offensive player now (I expect him to put it all together this offseason and have a much better year next year), Tyler has seemed to have grown into a more efficient player and may actually be able to impact deep playoff runs this time around as opposed to the Jimmy/Bam days, we finally have functional size next to Bam in the front court which a ton of people were crying for years about, Davion might be a better PG than we’ve had outside of Dragic and Lowry’s 1st season etc. sandwich Bam between 2 mobile 7 footers in KD/Ware and good luck scoring against us while KD/Bam/Herro are scoring efficiently on the other end.

And we have no clue who else would want to come join the team but I’d guess we get some solid vets

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What does Herro have to do with KD ?
They are not related.

KD is a different argument. Do you give up your assets for a 36 year old KD who is no longer top 10 for a 2 year run. When your current team is nowhere near contention. And recent evidence from last 3 seasons has shown KD hasn't been able to elevate a crappy team to being elite.

The argument for KD is where he is, where the team is and the timeline. It just doesn't work with this version of KD for this team. It would have worked with the KD from 4 seasons ago. It would have worked if you still had Butler. But this team is so far from contending.

You need to save your assets to go after a younger stars, that gives you TIME to improve the roster. You get KD, you need to win that season.

I brought Tyler up because you’re contradicting yourself in your arguments right now.

What 10 players are without a doubt better than KD right now?

What are you talking about ? How does Herro having a good season have anything to do with KD. No one considers Herro an all nba player. No one was expecting Herro to drag a team to a top 4 seed. KD is considered by most a top 10 all nba guy. If you are one of those guys, you drag your team to a winning record. If you can't then there's gotta be questions.
Lebron and AD were getting dragged for not being able to get past the play in and their Lakers team had a winning record. But KD gets a pass ?

If we are talking about this season ? SGA, Giannis, Jovic, Ant, Jayson, Brunson, Curry, Lebron, Wemby have been better than him. Cade and Mitchell numbers are not as good as KD but in terms of wins, they had more impact.

And again the KD question is not whether he is good. Its whether he is good enough to lift this really bad team to contention. If we had Butler then the trade makes sense. But its just too much of an ask for this version of KD when you have limited time.
Lets say he was 30 and he was this version of KD, then the trade makes sense because you have time.

The argument against KD is time. You need to win now and we are not close. He needs to be a situation where the team is close other wise its just a waste

You’re basically removing any blame from Tyler on the Heat struggling this season because overall he’s had a good year in one argument while also knocking KD for the Suns struggling this season while he’s had a much better year than Herro in another argument.

I agree with you, I would have loved to keep Jimmy and then added KD this summer (he no doubt would’ve came this summer with Jimmy here). A Jimmy/Bam/KD/Herro big 4 would’ve been amazing, egos ruined that

[MettaWorldPanda]

With the way our draft pick situation is going to be with no 2026 and no 2028 i’m all about going in on a 2 year window with Durant.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

With the way our draft pick situation is going to be with no 2026 and no 2028 i’m all about going in on a 2 year window with Durant.

This is why I’ve been hoping we miss the playoffs. It’s puts tons of pressure on the front office to build a contender and gives them the most assets to do so.

If Pat is still as good as everyone thinks, let’s see it.

[Wiltside]

Why ya’ll selling my boy Niko

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This isn’t even a Wade era 08/09-09/10 seasons type of deal, we have no choice but to be good next season. We have to get to work this summer.

No team has ever made the playoffs as a 9/10 seed in the play in tourney I believe (I know small sample) but I can actually see these idiots still finding a way to squeak in. If we lose to the Bulls round 1 that’d be 4 losses against them this season, if we beat the Bulls we likely match up with the Hawks who we’ve had our way with recently.

[DayofMourning]

Why ya’ll selling my boy Niko

Somebody has to go. I appreciate Jovics growth but we need to pounce if we can. Jovic and Jaime and some firsts for KD makes us better.

If we can somehow manage to hold on to our picks this year then we could have a full, possibly very well balanced squad with layers of responsibility delegated to those who can handle it.

Having an offensive pecking order of KD, then Herro, then Bam makes absolute sense.

[DayofMourning]

With the way our draft pick situation is going to be with no 2026 and no 2028 i’m all about going in on a 2 year window with Durant.

This is why I’ve been hoping we miss the playoffs. It’s puts tons of pressure on the front office to build a contender and gives them the most assets to do so.

If Pat is still as good as everyone thinks, let’s see it.

If we can land KD and keep our picks this year, we have a window where we can contend.

We are kind of like the Bucs before they landed Brady. Waiting for that guy to cement our roster.

[Flash4thewin]

With the way our draft pick situation is going to be with no 2026 and no 2028 i’m all about going in on a 2 year window with Durant.

This is why I’ve been hoping we miss the playoffs. It’s puts tons of pressure on the front office to build a contender and gives them the most assets to do so.

If Pat is still as good as everyone thinks, let’s see it.

If we can land KD and keep our picks this year, we have a window where we can contend.

We are kind of like the Bucs before they landed Brady. Waiting for that guy to cement our roster.

But thats not being honest or realistic. KD will cost us actual assets.

JJJ this year is a negative value,
Jovic is hurt and up to get paid, not a positive asset
Wiggins has not shown much other than meh and now add injury concerns, thats not a positive asset.
GSW pick will be in the 20s
A 2030 pick?

KD will have demand and the Suns can do better than our leftovers. Ironically it’s painful to see a big part of the Dame package look so bad, JJJ and Jovic are not positive assets unfortunately, only Herro showed his worth.

[DayofMourning]

This is why I’ve been hoping we miss the playoffs. It’s puts tons of pressure on the front office to build a contender and gives them the most assets to do so.

If Pat is still as good as everyone thinks, let’s see it.

If we can land KD and keep our picks this year, we have a window where we can contend.

We are kind of like the Bucs before they landed Brady. Waiting for that guy to cement our roster.

But thats not being honest or realistic. KD will cost us actual assets.

JJJ this year is a negative value,
Jovic is hurt and up to get paid, not a positive asset
Wiggins has not shown much other than meh and now add injury concerns, thats not a positive asset.
GSW pick will be in the 20s
A 2030 pick?

KD will have demand and the Suns can do better than our leftovers. Ironically it’s painful to see a big part of the Dame package look so bad, JJJ and Jovic are not positive assets unfortunately, only Herro showed his worth.

Id think the Suns would prefer picks from us down the road. Theyd hope we go off the rails and get better value picks.

Also, KD has a monster contract. Which teams with better assets also have the contracts to match?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re always quick to point out teams with more assets but 1, does KD want to join that team and 2, they may have more assets but are they willing to give up more assets?

[oreon]

I brought Tyler up because you’re contradicting yourself in your arguments right now.

What 10 players are without a doubt better than KD right now?

What are you talking about ? How does Herro having a good season have anything to do with KD. No one considers Herro an all nba player. No one was expecting Herro to drag a team to a top 4 seed. KD is considered by most a top 10 all nba guy. If you are one of those guys, you drag your team to a winning record. If you can't then there's gotta be questions.
Lebron and AD were getting dragged for not being able to get past the play in and their Lakers team had a winning record. But KD gets a pass ?

If we are talking about this season ? SGA, Giannis, Jovic, Ant, Jayson, Brunson, Curry, Lebron, Wemby have been better than him. Cade and Mitchell numbers are not as good as KD but in terms of wins, they had more impact.

And again the KD question is not whether he is good. Its whether he is good enough to lift this really bad team to contention. If we had Butler then the trade makes sense. But its just too much of an ask for this version of KD when you have limited time.
Lets say he was 30 and he was this version of KD, then the trade makes sense because you have time.

The argument against KD is time. You need to win now and we are not close. He needs to be a situation where the team is close other wise its just a waste

You’re basically removing any blame from Tyler on the Heat struggling this season because overall he’s had a good year in one argument while also knocking KD for the Suns struggling this season while he’s had a much better year than Herro in another argument.

I agree with you, I would have loved to keep Jimmy and then added KD this summer (he no doubt would’ve came this summer with Jimmy here). A Jimmy/Bam/KD/Herro big 4 would’ve been amazing, egos ruined that

Yes
This is how this works.
When you are a higher tier player and getting paid 20 mil more there are more expectations. This is how the NBA has and always has been.
For all nba guys, you gotta atleast make the play in.
Herro atleast made the play in

And if we blaming guys for this Heat season, Herro is down the list. It goes Riley , Spo Bam and then you get to Herro

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What are you talking about ? How does Herro having a good season have anything to do with KD. No one considers Herro an all nba player. No one was expecting Herro to drag a team to a top 4 seed. KD is considered by most a top 10 all nba guy. If you are one of those guys, you drag your team to a winning record. If you can't then there's gotta be questions.
Lebron and AD were getting dragged for not being able to get past the play in and their Lakers team had a winning record. But KD gets a pass ?

If we are talking about this season ? SGA, Giannis, Jovic, Ant, Jayson, Brunson, Curry, Lebron, Wemby have been better than him. Cade and Mitchell numbers are not as good as KD but in terms of wins, they had more impact.

And again the KD question is not whether he is good. Its whether he is good enough to lift this really bad team to contention. If we had Butler then the trade makes sense. But its just too much of an ask for this version of KD when you have limited time.
Lets say he was 30 and he was this version of KD, then the trade makes sense because you have time.

The argument against KD is time. You need to win now and we are not close. He needs to be a situation where the team is close other wise its just a waste

You’re basically removing any blame from Tyler on the Heat struggling this season because overall he’s had a good year in one argument while also knocking KD for the Suns struggling this season while he’s had a much better year than Herro in another argument.

I agree with you, I would have loved to keep Jimmy and then added KD this summer (he no doubt would’ve came this summer with Jimmy here). A Jimmy/Bam/KD/Herro big 4 would’ve been amazing, egos ruined that

Yes
This is how this works.
When you are a higher tier player and getting paid 20 mil more there are more expectations. This is how the NBA has and always has been.
For all nba guys, you gotta atleast make the play in.
Herro atleast made the play in

And if we blaming guys for this Heat season, Herro is down the list. It goes Riley , Spo Bam and then you get to Herro

That’s some wild nitpicking but do your thing!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

We’re always quick to point out teams with more assets but 1, does KD want to join that team and 2, they may have more assets but are they willing to give up more assets?

Yeah this is one of those situations that a soon to be 37 year old Durant on a big contract might not be appealing for a lot of teams out there. Aging stars are right in our wheel house. Houston with Van Vleet’s contract could be a threat but I don’t think Houston moves off him. He’s been a major leader on that squad.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’re always quick to point out teams with more assets but 1, does KD want to join that team and 2, they may have more assets but are they willing to give up more assets?

Yeah this is one of those situations that a soon to be 37 year old Durant on a big contract might not be appealing for a lot of teams out there. Aging stars are right in our wheel house. Houston with Van Vleet’s contract could be a threat but I don’t think Houston moves off him. He’s been a major leader on that squad.

They had a chance at the deadline to snag him and weren’t interested. That may or may not change and it may have also rubbed KD the wrong way. Apparently he was completely fine coming to Miami when it was close to happening, Windhorst said at the deadline he was either going to be in Miami or Phoenix when it was all said and done. It’s time to revisit

[MettaWorldPanda]

We’re always quick to point out teams with more assets but 1, does KD want to join that team and 2, they may have more assets but are they willing to give up more assets?

Yeah this is one of those situations that a soon to be 37 year old Durant on a big contract might not be appealing for a lot of teams out there. Aging stars are right in our wheel house. Houston with Van Vleet’s contract could be a threat but I don’t think Houston moves off him. He’s been a major leader on that squad.

They had a chance at the deadline to snag him and weren’t interested. That may or may not change and it may have also rubbed KD the wrong way. Apparently he was completely fine coming to Miami when it was close to happening, Windhorst said at the deadline he was either going to be in Miami or Phoenix when it was all said and done. It’s time to revisit

The frameworks on a lot of these summer deals were already put in place during the deadline. Now that we will know our pick situation next year it will make it a lot easier to know what picks to give the Suns. Especially that 2030 pick which they will definitely want after trading there’s to Utah for 3 bs picks.

[Shewasfly]

The Herro hate for the wide open 3 pointer he just stole is misplaced.

There is tons of blame for everyone on that loss.

I think it's valid tbh. If you're trying to be a leader of this team, you can't make that type of mental error. No, he wasn't ultimately the blame for the loss. He was our best player last night, as he has been for 80% of the season. But doesn't mean it wasn't a very poor decision that shouldn't be called out.

This whole season became basically a growth year for him and Bam once it was decided Jimmy was out. A season to prove their ability to lead a team, or at least be the 2-3 in a pairing with a future star. A big part of that is development of the personality and even keeled nature needed for winning. Herro has shown that much of the season, but didn't display it on that play, period. It is what it is.

That said, it happens to everyone. Spo called a timeout when we had none earlier in the year. And Goofy Bam appears a good 75% of the time on offense in crunch time in tight games. So he's not alone. Still was bad though.