All-NBA discussion

[iggymcfrack]

The Curry PR is so strong.

So many in media have started making the push for him for All-NBA first team. Edwards deserves it pretty easily. He has better numbers than Curry while being a better defender.

Both Curry and LeBron belong to All-NBA second team and should have no chance for first team. If you are rewarding team success then pick Donovan Mitchell otherwise pick Edwards.

Which numbers are those? These are the main ones I looked at:

Curry: 5.0 EPM, 11.9 EW, 6.4 BPM, 5.7 net rating, +5.3 on/off

ANT: 3.1 EPM, 11.5 EW, 4.1 BPM, 4.0 net rating, -2.1 on/off

I felt like the last 1st team spot was between Curry, Mitchell, and Mobley, and after long deliberation I gave it to Curry. ANT I was debating with JW, JJJ, and Zubac over which one to drop to 3rd team before finally dropping Zubac.

[iggymcfrack]

I'm fully ready for my superteam Celtics to get only 1 All NBA player this year, and then I'll get to read comments about how that All NBA player only looks good because he's on superteam.

Jaylen Brown had a worse season as a scorer and defender, but a better season as a distributor. The man is our finals MVP, but I don't think he had one of the 20 best seasons in the NBA this year. I suspect he'll pick votes. I pray at the altar of Derrick White every day (whenever I can afford a break from my Horford shrine) but even I just have him on the cusp. Hard to get him over some guards putting up bigger numbers.

At the end of the day, Tatum is going to be likely unanimous 1st team. I don't personally like the case for Jaylen or White in this specific season. In any given season, I think Jaylen, White, or a healthier Porzingis are capable of making all-NBA noise.

I was reading about the bolded somewhere yesterday and it was essentially on how Tatum not winning FMVP last year is used as a knock against him as a player and ranking in the league and in the same breath Jaylen Brow is not viewed any higher at all as far as his ranking in the league. Pretty much a lose-lose a situation - and the FMVP hasn't positively impacted a player since Jokic. Can't help but agree with it

This isn’t true at all. Tatum’s still a consensus top 4 player by almost everyone and Jaylen Brown has become wildly overrated. I saw a topic on Reddit the other day where someone was trying to argue he was better than ANT. I feel like he’s a consensus top 15 player among casual fans now when I wouldn’t even put him in the top 40.

[cupcakesnake]

I'm fully ready for my superteam Celtics to get only 1 All NBA player this year, and then I'll get to read comments about how that All NBA player only looks good because he's on superteam.

Jaylen Brown had a worse season as a scorer and defender, but a better season as a distributor. The man is our finals MVP, but I don't think he had one of the 20 best seasons in the NBA this year. I suspect he'll pick votes. I pray at the altar of Derrick White every day (whenever I can afford a break from my Horford shrine) but even I just have him on the cusp. Hard to get him over some guards putting up bigger numbers.

At the end of the day, Tatum is going to be likely unanimous 1st team. I don't personally like the case for Jaylen or White in this specific season. In any given season, I think Jaylen, White, or a healthier Porzingis are capable of making all-NBA noise.

I was reading about the bolded somewhere yesterday and it was essentially on how Tatum not winning FMVP last year is used as a knock against him as a player and ranking in the league and in the same breath Jaylen Brow is not viewed any higher at all as far as his ranking in the league. Pretty much a lose-lose a situation - and the FMVP hasn't positively impacted a player since Jokic. Can't help but agree with it

Celtics haters (or Tatum haters or Brown haters) weaponise that Finals MVP to make whatever point suits their agenda. I don't think it merits serious discussion. I think it's pretty obvious what people's intentions are when they're talking to.

In reality, it's just an award for who had a good series at a good time. Sometimes it's a shooting luck award. There are so many examples of the franchise player not winning it. Parker over Duncan, Iggy over Curry, Billups over Ben, Cedric over Bird. Finals MVP has no bearing on who is ranked where in any given season, but will matter for Brown in terms of career accolades when he's having his legacy assessed. No one was upgrading Iguodala to a top 10 player the next season, so I don't see why people think it's fair to use this award in a different way for Brown.

Jaylen Brown is really good at basketball. He's good enough to be the best player in any game or series. Celtics fans are lucky to have both Jays, and the haters (external and internal) gonna hate. Tatum usually gets the props, so I think it was good the other Jay got some hardware.

[cupcakesnake]

Jaylen Brown had a worse season as a scorer and defender, but a better season as a distributor. The man is our finals MVP, but I don't think he had one of the 20 best seasons in the NBA this year. I suspect he'll pick votes. I pray at the altar of Derrick White every day (whenever I can afford a break from my Horford shrine) but even I just have him on the cusp. Hard to get him over some guards putting up bigger numbers.

At the end of the day, Tatum is going to be likely unanimous 1st team. I don't personally like the case for Jaylen or White in this specific season. In any given season, I think Jaylen, White, or a healthier Porzingis are capable of making all-NBA noise.

I was reading about the bolded somewhere yesterday and it was essentially on how Tatum not winning FMVP last year is used as a knock against him as a player and ranking in the league and in the same breath Jaylen Brow is not viewed any higher at all as far as his ranking in the league. Pretty much a lose-lose a situation - and the FMVP hasn't positively impacted a player since Jokic. Can't help but agree with it

This isn’t true at all. Tatum’s still a consensus top 4 player by almost everyone and Jaylen Brown has become wildly overrated. I saw a topic on Reddit the other day where someone was trying to argue he was better than ANT. I feel like he’s a consensus top 15 player among casual fans now when I wouldn’t even put him in the top 40.

I think once we get deep into the top 40, the rankings smooth out and get a little pointless. I'm someone who has fun keeping track of my own personal player rankings in a spead sheet, but once I get into the mid 20s....I can make cases for anyone to be above almost anyone from 25-40, you know? I can see all the hater arguments for Brown (I subscribe to some of them myself), but I don't think anyone is stupid if they value Brown as closer to 20 than 40. For me he's in a tier of borderline all-NBA guys. That tier just happens to include 20+ players, lol.

[bisme37]

Brown has had a so-so season by his standards. I wasn't preemptively complaining about him (perhaps) not making All NBA as much as I'm expecting it. I'd love to see DWhite rewarded but I don't know if he has the counting stats. And KP missed too many games.

Edit: and I think JB actually has to play the next 2 games to qualify for awards, and he has a janky knee right now so that's yet to be seen.

Tatum and Jokic are the only 2 players leading their team in points, rebounds and assists. (JT also 2nd in steals on the C's and 4th in blocks.) The Celtics are likely to win 60 games for the 3rd straight season with JT as their best player, and they are the defending champs.

And I just read a comment about how Tatum is not 1st team All NBA because, "1st team should be for players with stats and carry their team, like MVPs of their team, and increase the league's prestige"

[iggymcfrack]

I was reading about the bolded somewhere yesterday and it was essentially on how Tatum not winning FMVP last year is used as a knock against him as a player and ranking in the league and in the same breath Jaylen Brow is not viewed any higher at all as far as his ranking in the league. Pretty much a lose-lose a situation - and the FMVP hasn't positively impacted a player since Jokic. Can't help but agree with it

This isn’t true at all. Tatum’s still a consensus top 4 player by almost everyone and Jaylen Brown has become wildly overrated. I saw a topic on Reddit the other day where someone was trying to argue he was better than ANT. I feel like he’s a consensus top 15 player among casual fans now when I wouldn’t even put him in the top 40.

I think once we get deep into the top 40, the rankings smooth out and get a little pointless. I'm someone who has fun keeping track of my own personal player rankings in a spead sheet, but once I get into the mid 20s....I can make cases for anyone to be above almost anyone from 25-40, you know? I can see all the hater arguments for Brown (I subscribe to some of them myself), but I don't think anyone is stupid if they value Brown as closer to 20 than 40. For me he's in a tier of borderline all-NBA guys. That tier just happens to include 20+ players, lol.

I certainty don’t think anyone’s stupid for having Jaylen Brown in the 20s. A lot of people will have him top 15 though which is just nonsense. Right now in the Big 3 thread here, someone was trying to argue that he was much better than Jalen Williams. Like WTF?!

I look at Jaylen and I can’t get past that the Celtics have been better with him on the bench than on the floor for 6 straight postseasons and that on the whole they’ve been better with him on the bench in the regular season too. That he’s the worst shooter on the team and generally ranks toward the bottom of the team in BPM too.

I’m sure he could provide decent value on a team desperate for scoring like Orlando, but he really doesn’t seem to have any impact for Boston at all. I don’t think he’s as valuable as Kristaps Porzingis or Payton Pritchard, let alone Derrick White.

[strokerace]

I am a big fan of J Brown but I don't think he was even close to a top 25 player this year. Last year he was incredible, this year D White has been just as good or better. Hoping Brown bounces back next year but this bit where he's playing hurt to grab an all nba nod is silly.

[NBA4Lyfe]

James Harden has been on a nice run as of late and now has his shooting % at 40%. A player that shoots this poorly shouldn't be All NBA.

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what about a player who averages 21/11/6 on 62% true shooting lol.. should that player make an all-nba team.. cause james harden in 2023 was not voting to a single all-nba

or i dunno a player like curry or luka who miss the playoffs ALTOGETHER and still get voted to all-nba..

what is the criteria for all-nba, is it winning or stats

hardens war and his gravity supersedes any shooting percentage shortcomings he has had this year

harden even before kawhi got healty was beating the jokics and currys of the world this year with career role-players

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[NBA4Lyfe]

The Curry PR is so strong.

So many in media have started making the push for him for All-NBA first team. Edwards deserves it pretty easily. He has better numbers than Curry while being a better defender.

Both Curry and LeBron belong to All-NBA second team and should have no chance for first team. If you are rewarding team success then pick Donovan Mitchell otherwise pick Edwards.

Which numbers are those? These are the main ones I looked at:

Curry: 5.0 EPM, 11.9 EW, 6.4 BPM, 5.7 net rating, +5.3 on/off

ANT: 3.1 EPM, 11.5 EW, 4.1 BPM, 4.0 net rating, -2.1 on/off

I felt like the last 1st team spot was between Curry, Mitchell, and Mobley, and after long deliberation I gave it to Curry. ANT I was debating with JW, JJJ, and Zubac over which one to drop to 3rd team before finally dropping Zubac.

curry and the warriors were left for dead until the jimmy butler trade

the other names in edwards and mitchell were more consistent. but of course the nba media changes what the criteria is each time lol

[NBA4Lyfe]

The Curry PR is so strong.

So many in media have started making the push for him for All-NBA first team. Edwards deserves it pretty easily. He has better numbers than Curry while being a better defender.

Both Curry and LeBron belong to All-NBA second team and should have no chance for first team. If you are rewarding team success then pick Donovan Mitchell otherwise pick Edwards.

Which numbers are those? These are the main ones I looked at:

Curry: 5.0 EPM, 11.9 EW, 6.4 BPM, 5.7 net rating, +5.3 on/off

ANT: 3.1 EPM, 11.5 EW, 4.1 BPM, 4.0 net rating, -2.1 on/off

I felt like the last 1st team spot was between Curry, Mitchell, and Mobley, and after long deliberation I gave it to Curry. ANT I was debating with JW, JJJ, and Zubac over which one to drop to 3rd team before finally dropping Zubac.

ben taylor has overrated the on/off metric lol What happened when chris paul was currys backup, didnt you see how currys on/off was below average. All on/off means in reality is that your backup sucks

[brackdan70]

The people without LeBron on their all-NBA teams have to be trolling… just absurd.

He is somewhere 13-18th best player this season. It’s not absurd at all.

[brackdan70]

Tatum is not 1st Team.

I'll bite. Why not?

Missing aura and all, get it?

Aura?

[ball_takes23]

The people without Haliburton on their all-NBA teams have to be trolling… just absurd.

[durantbird]

1st team: Donovan Mitchell, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Jayson Tatum, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokic
2nd team: Steph Curry, LeBron James, Evan Mobley, Jaren Jackson Jr, Karl Anthony Towns
3rd team: Cade Cunningham, Anthony Edwards, Jalen Williams, Jalen Brunson, Jaylen Brown

[brackdan70]

1st/ SGA, Jokic, Tatum, Giannis, Mitchell
2nd/ Harden, Hali, Towns, Mobley, Williams
3rd/ White, Edwards, Curry, Allen, Zubac
LBJ, Cade, Garland, Sabonis are close. That third team is hard .

[RB34]

Revised.

[facothomas22]

1st team: SGA,Mitchell,Tatum,Giannis,Jokic

2nd team : Cade Cummingham,Anthony Edwards,Lebron James,Jaren Jackson Jr,KAT

3rd team: Devin Booker, Stephen Curry,Jalen Williams,Evan Mobley,Ivica Zubic

[Frank Dux]

The people without LeBron on their all-NBA teams have to be trolling… just absurd.

He is somewhere 13-18th best player this season. It’s not absurd at all.

Please list those 17 players who are better than LeBron.

He’s averaging 24/8/8 on 60% TS, and plays on a contender.

[Roger Murdock]

As a Cavs fan I love Mobley but I don’t think he’s a second team guy yet. But this F crop is weak so it’s hard not to place him there. I think Mobley is way off from his real potential.

Guards:
1st: SGA, Mitchell
2nd: Curry, Ant
3rd: Haliburton, Garland


F:
1st: Giannis, Tatum
2nd: JJJ, Mobley
3rd: LeBron, Cunningham (I know he’s more of a G)

Center:
1st: Jokic
2nd: KAT
3rd: Sengun

[shi-woo]

The old guard is making one final push. The first fight comes with Steph. The dude had 20 30 point games this year and his team went 15/5 in those games. He carried the team till Butler got there, and then went off even after that keeping the Warriors in the hunt.

Mitchell had 18 30 point games and his team went 13/5. That seems to be the fight for the last 1st team spot, and I would personally take Steph over Mitchell at this point. He started off the year and ended the year playing better basketball, and brought his team through more adversity. He's had like 10 ridiculous games this year, while DM hasn't had to showcase that too much outside of that crazy 2nd half against Boston.

LeBro is making it, but people have been sleeing on Harden all year. Dude is still one of the best players in league history at carrying a team in the regular season, showed it again this year. He played practically every game this season, averaging 23//6/9 for the year, and 25/6/9/1.5/1 in 26 games since he AS break, which the Clips have been one of the best teams in the league. He's certainly deserving of a spot over some of these 2nd option guards like Jwill and Garland...

1. Jokic, Giannis, Tatum, SGA, Steph

2. Mitchell, JJJ, Torwns. Ant, Cade

3. LeBron, Brunson, Harden, Mobley, Hali

I would be shocked if JWill made it over guys that are legit #1's who carried teams, and I think this year with 2ndary bigs like Twons, JJJ, and Mobley being locks it's more competative than usual. If you disagree with my Harden take, that is fine, my next men up for 3rd team would be Trae, Williams, or Sabonis.

It's a weird year with main guys like Luka, AD, and Joel not being in the mix, and other contenders like Damee, Brown, Jimmy, Paolo and Wemby not being in it either for reasons.