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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#281 » by winforlose » Wed Apr 9, 2025 9:09 pm

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6th feels pretty optimistic though. Due to the wall of tie breakers, we're now the most probably to fall to 8th (besides Denver maybe). 5, 6, and 7 are all firmly in play but everything is random. It's entirely plausible that 5 teams finish with 48 wins. The other 4 can all reach 50 by winning out, where we're now capped at 49.

The 4th quarter last night was frustrating. We ran the right schemes to shred a 2-3 zone (Naz cutting to the nail while Conley lured out the trap) but then we failed miserably at executing the simple passes to finish off the broken zone. It's not even like Milwaukee was playing hellacious defense. We just kept throwing the ball near their hands and they scrambled after we broke the zone.


That is bad math. If we beat Memphis and the two ranking teams we end at 33 losses. Either LAC or GSW must also add a 33 loss. Plus one of Memphis and Denver must lose a game. Could easily be 6th, even 5th depending on the Rockets. What we lost was the ability to climb to 3rd and the likelihood of being 4th. Each had its own advantages.


Which part of the math are you saying is bad?
I didn't say we couldn't reach 6, just that it felt optimistic. Mathematically, 6th is still our most likely seed (23.9%), but our combined chances of being 7 or 8 outweigh that at 36.2%. We also have a 31% chance of climbing into the 4/5. It's fair to point out we have a slightly higher % chance of clinching a top 6 seed.

I worry about the back to back (against beatable opponents), but wouldn't it be so wolfey of us to win those and then lose to Utah on the last day? :wink:


We have the tie breaker over Denver and LAC. Memphis is likely to end at 34 losses if we beat them. So that means MEM 8. Any loss by DEN or LAC, and we are auto 6 or higher. If you combine our odds at 5 (very possible,) with our odds at 6, I gotta believe they are competitive with our odds of 7 or 8 combined. We will get a ton of info tonight and then have most of the picture tomorrow.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#282 » by shrink » Thu Apr 10, 2025 12:01 am

Great night for some scoreboard watching, my brothers!
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#283 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:10 am

I will follow scoreboard pretending to work. But not too much as i'm still upset with last night game and all my triple bogey i did yesterday :)
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#284 » by winforlose » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:07 am

LAL beat Dallas but lost to OKC so Rockets are locked into 2 and LAL is close to locked into 3. I think our best case is losses tonight by Denver, LAC, and GSW essentially resetting most of what the standings looked like before our loss. Then if we beat Memphis the 5 way tie is on at 33 losses.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#285 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:15 am

We are in the play in. Houston rest all their players, no chance GSW lose to SA and Denver will bounce back after the drama. We get what we deserved, we put ourselves in this situation.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#286 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:37 am

I was wrong for GSW. But i wonder if some teams don't want to avoid 6th as they don't wanna play the Fakers, who got the league for them Donkic, The Refs....
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#287 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:39 am

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:I was wrong for GSW. But i wonder if some teams don't want to avoid 6th as they don't wanna play the Fakers, who got the league for them Donkic, The Refs....

I think this might be a legit mindset, to be honest.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#288 » by Klomp » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:47 am

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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#289 » by TimberKat » Thu Apr 10, 2025 5:06 am

I am still too upset about yesterday's game to pay any attention to basketball today.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#290 » by winforlose » Thu Apr 10, 2025 9:32 am

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:We are in the play in. Houston rest all their players, no chance GSW lose to SA and Denver will bounce back after the drama. We get what we deserved, we put ourselves in this situation.


Not necessarily true. If we beat Memphis and Denver beats Memphis then right there Memphis is 34 losses. Then LAC beats GSW (GSW doesn’t want the Lakers in round 1,) then that is 34 losses. Wolves are 6. Or Memphis beats Denver and now Wolves are 5th. Notice the Rockets didn’t come up once.

Speaking of the Rockets, they have a strong incentive NOT to rest their players. Their young guys have no playoff experience. Outside of Adams, FVV, and Brooks have any of them ever been in a series? A playoff team struggling for seeding isn’t the same thing as a play in (pressure is one sided,) but you can use it as free post season experience for everyone. Who better than LAL and Denver (two teams they could easily see in the first and second round, Denver as 7 and LAL as 3rd,) as warm ups for the playoffs?

My question to you is how do you feel about a LAC/Wolves 4/5 or a Wolves/LAC 4/5, with OKC as round 2? Is that better than a LAL/Wolves with Houston or Denver as round 2 (if we survive Doncic and the refs?)

P.S, the Kings are one game ahead of the Mavs right now with the tie breaker over the Mavs. The Mavs games are Raptors and Memphis. Kings are LAC and PHX. If the Kings beat the Clippers they can shut down their players and coast against the Suns. This gives them 2 days extra rest before the play in (assuming they care about trying to get the 8 seed.) If the Kings lose to the Clippers and the Mavs beat the Raptors, then the Kings must win on Sunday, and the Mavs will have incentive to beat Memphis to try and get the 9 and home court. Remember all games west vs west are 2:30 Central, so neither team will have the score board advantage.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#291 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:07 am

That's a good question. Indeed very tough choice. I truly believe than Lakers will have an advantage as NBA like nice story and will help them a bit to go into WCF. I want to avoid the Lakers, i do think we can beat anyone else there ( as we can loose against any bad team unfortunately).

To answer your question i would prefer play the LAC and then OKC. After yesterday 4th quarter disaster, we will see how we handle the Grizz tomorrow.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#292 » by shrink » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:09 pm

April 10

#3 LAL (49-31). 0.0 GB

#4 DEN (48-32). 1.0 GB
#5 LAC (48-32). 1.0 GB
#6 MEM (47-32). 1.5 GB
#7 GSW (47-33). 2.0 GB
#8 MIN (46-33). 2.5 GB

LAL: vsHOU, @POR
DEN: vsMEM, @HOU
LAC: @SAC, @GSW
MEM: vsMIN, @DEN (btb), vsDAL
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#293 » by shrink » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:13 pm

Tonight is the big one. A win creates a three-way tie for #6-8. MEM also has to travel to DEN for a game the next night, so a big win for us tonight might shake them, and be worth two losses, like we did to Denver last week, and make them the #8 seed.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#294 » by Calinks » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:31 pm

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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#295 » by cupcakesnake » Thu Apr 10, 2025 2:51 pm

I think a lot of fanbases like the idea of winning in the play-in to draw Houston, who is less star-scary than either LA team or Denver. It's hard for me to believe any team wants to actually risk the play-in though. All it takes is a bad shooting night or any other kind of single game bad luck and you're then one game away from missing the play-in (or winning the right to play OKC's defense.)

I think Houston is pretty underrated because they're a new commodity. We've seen Lebron, Kawhi, Curry, Butler, Jokic all "prove it" so we fear them and believe in them. Houston though, has a very mean defense set up to ruin your star player. Ant having to deal with Amen, Dillon Brooks, and Tari Eason for a full series might break our offense, and they protect the paint really well against drives. Our defense could ruin them too of course, but I maybe see the LA teams as more fragile. I dunno. All these teams are pretty good. Obviously we'd love Denver.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#296 » by winforlose » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:02 pm

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I'm a big supporter of the play in. It sucks to be in it but it makes things more exciting for sure.


Without it the Mavs never bring back AD, the Kings have no incentive to be playing right now, and teams might be actively trying to get to 7 to avoid OKC and LAL. The East needs to be better at making the play in relevant each year, but the West is usually great matchups.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#297 » by TimberKat » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:34 pm

Play in? Play off? Are you kidding me? Never been so true, Nostradamus. Gobert was great when he played :D
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#298 » by Ethomasp31 » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:53 pm

If we win out we are guaranteed to be the 6th seed of better.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#299 » by TimberKat » Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:09 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:If we win out we are guaranteed to be the 6th seed of better.

I should had waited and put the Jim Mora video here. We should wait until after the MEM games to talk about playoffs.
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Re: Playoff Race and Scoreboard Watching 

Post#300 » by Ethomasp31 » Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:17 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:If we win out we are guaranteed to be the 6th seed of better.



Here is why....the Warriors still play the Clippers and Denver still plays Memphis.

If we win out we will finish 49-33. If Denver beats Memphis and we win out Memphis will have 34 losses. If Denver losses we will finish ahead of them.

If LAC beat GSW, GSW will have 34 losses. If the GSW beat the LAC we would win a tie breaker over the LAC. If all the team finish at 49-33, which is very possible, I'm pretty sure we would be the 4th seed.

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