With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

[DreamTeam09]

How did Darko implement more spacing into our system without the shooters, if Nurse could've/would've done that some of our former players might still be here. We've had more backdoor cuts for layups this yr as I could ever remember as a Raps fan. I bring that up because Mogbo is really good at hitting those cutters with backdoor passes.

[Wutang_CMB]

How did Darko implement more spacing into our system without the shooters, if Nurse could've/would've done that some of our former players might still be here. We've had more backdoor cuts for layups this yr as I could ever remember as a Raps fan. I bring that up because Mogbo is really good at hitting those cutters with backdoor passes.

Nurse had one of the most garbage offenses once lowry left

[junot111]

He really needs to become a serviceable 3pt shooter. His ceiling is a smarter precious which can be useful off the bench. Draymond is not a realistic comparison

Achiuwa is a 6/5 guy on 53 TS%, Mogbo is already producing basically at that level right now. How much better is a smarter Achiuwa than that?

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

[DreamTeam09]

He really needs to become a serviceable 3pt shooter. His ceiling is a smarter precious which can be useful off the bench. Draymond is not a realistic comparison

Achiuwa is a 6/5 guy on 53 TS%, Mogbo is already producing basically at that level right now. How much better is a smarter Achiuwa than that?

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

2 years is a lot of time for development don't you think?
2 years from now you don't think Mogbo would be better than current Precious if they are already putting up similar stats. Precious fouling less and turning over the ball less is a direct correlation between lack of PT/development time in the NBA for mogbo

[PushDaRock]

He really needs to become a serviceable 3pt shooter. His ceiling is a smarter precious which can be useful off the bench. Draymond is not a realistic comparison

Achiuwa is a 6/5 guy on 53 TS%, Mogbo is already producing basically at that level right now. How much better is a smarter Achiuwa than that?

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

[HangTime]

These home plate umpires really need robo assistance.

[Indeed]

Achiuwa is a 6/5 guy on 53 TS%, Mogbo is already producing basically at that level right now. How much better is a smarter Achiuwa than that?

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

2 years is a lot of time for development don't you think?
2 years from now you don't think Mogbo would be better than current Precious if they are already putting up similar stats. Precious fouling less and turning over the ball less is a direct correlation between lack of PT/development time in the NBA for mogbo

But Mogbo is also raw in certain things as compare to Achiuwa, such as finishing. He does read the game better. So time will tell if Mogbo is better in 2 years.

[junot111]

Achiuwa is a 6/5 guy on 53 TS%, Mogbo is already producing basically at that level right now. How much better is a smarter Achiuwa than that?

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

[Dr. Nick]

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

You put too much emphasis on age. Mogbo has already shown a lot more versatility in his game than precious. Precious doesn’t have the bb iq that Mogbo has and that’s the biggest factor in his ability to improve as a player imo. Also work ethic over everything so we’ll see.

[canada_dry]

His finishing has been very disappointing to me especially because he was dunking everything in college.

Finishing amongst the trees has clearly been his biggest issue. Adjusting to the size of the league is important for him. He also needs to find different ways to score in the paint. A good floater would be nice to develop.

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[mdenny]

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

You put too much emphasis on age. Mogbo has already shown a lot more versatility in his game than precious. Precious doesn’t have the bb iq that Mogbo has and that’s the biggest factor in his ability to improve as a player imo. Also work ethic over everything so we’ll see.

I agree. Precious is far better 1v1 defender. But mogbo seems to have a better sense of reading the game.

I think mogbo has more potential....but if Mogbo ends up being precious (a solid 8 or 9 guy in a rotation) then that's a success for a 31st overall pick.

I figure they end up having a similar overall value. Mogbo higher IQ but Precious more athletic/stronger. But if one of them leaves the other on the dust....I would assume it would be mogbo.

I can't see Precious evolving into much more than he already is. Mogbo....I think there's a chance for him to take a leap.

[PoundTown]

His finishing has been very disappointing to me especially because he was dunking everything in college.

Finishing amongst the trees has clearly been his biggest issue. Adjusting to the size of the league is important for him. He also needs to find different ways to score in the paint. A good floater would be nice to develop.

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He tries to use that floater, it's just very bad. Probably needs to figure out the set 3 too. Finds those two things and gets a bit better finishing bunnies as well and he's got a role.The Defence against the forward positions has been really good for a rookie.

[PushDaRock]

Precious also fouls less and turns the ball over less and is contributing on a much better team. Mogbo would not sniff the court in NY.

If precious could hit open 3s with some consistency while not making dumb plays, he could even be a starter on some teams because of his versatile defense. That would be a great outcome for Mogbo.

Or we can just throw out unrealistic targets like draymond for Mogbo, Giannis for scottie, ginobili for jakobe, etc.

BTW, precious is only 2 years older than mogbo

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

Ceiling and likely projection are 2 different things.

I can think Mogbo's ceiling is incredibly high which I do but also be realistic that he's not likely to reach it.

Scottie never had a Giannis type ceiling, they aren't even close to the same level athlete. That's been apparent since day 1.

[PushDaRock]

His finishing has been very disappointing to me especially because he was dunking everything in college.

Finishing amongst the trees has clearly been his biggest issue. Adjusting to the size of the league is important for him. He also needs to find different ways to score in the paint. A good floater would be nice to develop.

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His shooting ended up ahead of where I thought it would be (obviously still needs a ton of work) but his scoring touch was much worse than I imagined. But, most rookies struggle offensively, so it's no surprise to see him having trouble adjusting to NBA size and athleticism. Now, he knows what he needs to work on for the summer.

[Godaddycurse]

Need to work on counters and finesse with his scoring in the paint. Good start to his career overall with his D this year. Should carve out a bench role if nothing else which is a win for a 2nd rd pick

[PushDaRock]

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

You put too much emphasis on age. Mogbo has already shown a lot more versatility in his game than precious. Precious doesn’t have the bb iq that Mogbo has and that’s the biggest factor in his ability to improve as a player imo. Also work ethic over everything so we’ll see.

I agree. Precious is far better 1v1 defender. But mogbo seems to have a better sense of reading the game.

I think mogbo has more potential....but if Mogbo ends up being precious (a solid 8 or 9 guy in a rotation) then that's a success for a 31st overall pick.

I figure they end up having a similar overall value. Mogbo higher IQ but Precious more athletic/stronger. But if one of them leaves the other on the dust....I would assume it would be mogbo.

I can't see Precious evolving into much more than he already is. Mogbo....I think there's a chance for him to take a leap.

Achiuwa might be out of the league in the next couple years.

Good defender but not elite enough there to make up for how bad he is on offense and it's why his advanced stats are really bad too. Mogbo himself will need to either become an elite defender and/or get himself to at least an average level offensive player to avoid the same fate eventually.

Achiuwa is maybe the more fluid athlete but Mogbo is much more explosive, just compare their in game dunks.

Disagree with Achiuwa being much better as a 1 on 1 defender. But, even if you hold that opinion, you have to consider Achiuwa is in year 5 while Mogbo is still a rookie and rookies are just bad on both ends of the floor generally speaking. There probably will be a big jump for Mogbo defensively in the next year or 2 as he gains experience and starts understanding the league and our scheme better.

[Thaddy]

Comparing Achiuwa to Mogbo shows a lack of game analysis. Achiuwa would never get a triple double against a NBA team. Mogbo's feel, fluidity, and handle are much better.

[junot111]

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

Ceiling and likely projection are 2 different things.

I can think Mogbo's ceiling is incredibly high which I do but also be realistic that he's not likely to reach it.

Scottie never had a Giannis type ceiling, they aren't even close to the same level athlete. That's been apparent since day 1.

So what do you think is Mogbo's ceiling?

[junot111]

Achiuwa is in year 5, Mogbo is in year 1. That should be expected?

I'm just trying to figure out what smarter Achiuwa looks like in terms of numbers and potential?

Just seems a bit odd that you're capping his upside so low at what sounds like a borderline starter but mostly bench rotation player just after year 1. Potential outcome? Sure and it's a good outcome especially for a SRP, but for it to be his absolute best outcome possible seems like a pretty pessimistic outlook.

Because he's a 23 year old 31st pick who still looks raw in terms of finishing and scoring. What are the chances he ends up better than a borderline starter? Again, are we still claiming Giannis is scotties ceiling or can we be more realistic with the projection?

You put too much emphasis on age. Mogbo has already shown a lot more versatility in his game than precious. Precious doesn’t have the bb iq that Mogbo has and that’s the biggest factor in his ability to improve as a player imo. Also work ethic over everything so we’ll see.

That's why I said his ceiling is a smarter precious.

I don't see how I'm putting too much emphasis on age? I'm not making some extreme statement that he can't improve at all. I'm saying what are the chances a 23 year old who is not new to basketball can improve from being unplayable against real nba teams to better than a borderline starter? If he can become a 7th-8th man on a playoff team that plays good defense and not be an offensive liability, it would be a great improvement from where he is now.

[junot111]

Comparing Achiuwa to Mogbo shows a lack of game analysis. Achiuwa would never get a triple double against a NBA team. Mogbo's feel, fluidity, and handle are much better.

You're right I should've just went to reddit instead of writing my own analysis