PG Knicks/Pistons

Post #161 » by **HerSports85** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:46 am

Spree2Houston wrote:

damn I came to this post to only post this gif lol

Adelheid · Post #162 » by **Adelheid** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:27 am

dakomish23 wrote:Avoiding a team in the playoffs is the opposite of a championship mentality. I’d rather just accept we’re not playing well going into the playoffs before I’d want my team to be afraid to face someone.

if its thibs, he will try his hardest not sit healthy starters and win every rs game.

this looks to be orders from the top and the med staff helping out.

prophet_of_rage · Post #163 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:29 am

JayTWill wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
I'm not sure we can make that assessment off of one game where the Knicks were missing 3 rotation players. I don't know what swapping Hart for Deuce would have accomplished tonight. If Thibs asked Hart to guard Cade all night i'm not sure he would have had better success and it probably would have taken away from his limited offense if he had to. Just having OG alone could have made a big difference against someone like Cade.

Brunson/Mikal/Hart/Precious/KAT with Tucker/Wright/Shamet/Payne off the bench may not have gone well either.
Your back court would be 6 feet tall. You saw Cade and them post up every Knicks perimeter defender because they are too small.

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But Thibs wouldn't put Hart on Cade. Mikal guarded Cade most of the time this year. Hart spent most of the last Pistons game guarding a limited offensive threat in Ausur Thompson and other off-ball players. Thibs tries to hide Hart off the ball defensively as much as possible. He could have attempted the same thing with Deuce this game but he chose not to.

Every time Cade got off the bench, Deuce got off the bench. That is the role Mikal has had much of the year. Thibs would never put Hart in that position. Cade would have had a length and also a quickness advantage over Hart too.

You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.

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oldshoolballer · Post #164 » by **oldshoolballer** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 9:04 am

Adelheid wrote:
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again, this team needs donte back. just sayin'

Yea Donte was a real one apart from pulling up from 30 with zero fear and electrifying dunks what I miss most Ragu didn't take no schit from anyone Even guys twice his size.

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Wildcat · Post #165 » by **Wildcat** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 10:54 am

I'm not looking too deeply into this lost because it seems like the Knicks are playing the statistical game in that they don't think they'll go 0-2 and Pacers 2-0 to lose the 3rd Seed. This lost does give Detroit a punchers chance to beat out the Bucks for the 5th. I still miss and prefer last year's team, though. The Knicks were so locked in late last season. This season? Not so much.

HEZI · Post #166 » by **HEZI** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:07 am

prophet_of_rage wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:Your back court would be 6 feet tall. You saw Cade and them post up every Knicks perimeter defender because they are too small.

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But Thibs wouldn't put Hart on Cade. Mikal guarded Cade most of the time this year. Hart spent most of the last Pistons game guarding a limited offensive threat in Ausur Thompson and other off-ball players. Thibs tries to hide Hart off the ball defensively as much as possible. He could have attempted the same thing with Deuce this game but he chose not to.

Every time Cade got off the bench, Deuce got off the bench. That is the role Mikal has had much of the year. Thibs would never put Hart in that position. Cade would have had a length and also a quickness advantage over Hart too.
You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.

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When is the last time an undersized backcourt like that worked? The roster will will leave you fixing one issue and creating another no matter how much you try

Spree2Houston · Post #167 » by **Spree2Houston** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:02 pm

My 3 Main Concerns with the Team

!) Insufficient Shot Volume: Despite being one of the league's top shooting teams in both three-point percentage and two-point percentage, we rank near the bottom in pace. This disconnect is glaring. In the game against Boston, we hit more shots but still lost. The argument often made is that we need to take more three-pointers, but I don't think simply increasing three-point attempts would address the underlying issue. It's like trading 10 easy layups (worth 20 points) for 10 three-point attempts, where we might make 4 of them (yielding 12 points), it doesn't add up in our favor. What we should be doing is increasing our overall shot volume during games. By getting more attempts up, we alleviate the pressure of lacking a secondary creator, and capitalize on opportunities before the defense is fully set.

2) Failure to Defend the Three: Our defensive strategy against the three-pointer is stupid. Thibs seems reluctant to prioritize defending the perimeter. While our defensive metrics sometimes look good, we often lose games because opponents hit significantly more threes than we do. The core issue here isn't just the percentage opponents shoot but the sheer number of attempts they get. Even if they shoot poorly, their higher pace allows them to hit enough threes to tip the game in their favor. This disparity in pace and shot volume ultimately undermines whatever great shooting nights we could have.

3) We're soft.

thebuzzardman · Post #168 » by **thebuzzardman** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:52 pm

ScienceOfLosing wrote:
Najeem27 wrote:Also, Duece is too small to play the 2 he's only 6'1. Shamet should take his minutes since he's our best shooter and better on ball defender than duece mcnugget

What happened to Deuce?
He used to have a great shot.

Answer. Thibs

He got exposed as a starter

prophet_of_rage · Post #169 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:05 pm

HEZI wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
But Thibs wouldn't put Hart on Cade. Mikal guarded Cade most of the time this year. Hart spent most of the last Pistons game guarding a limited offensive threat in Ausur Thompson and other off-ball players. Thibs tries to hide Hart off the ball defensively as much as possible. He could have attempted the same thing with Deuce this game but he chose not to.

Every time Cade got off the bench, Deuce got off the bench. That is the role Mikal has had much of the year. Thibs would never put Hart in that position. Cade would have had a length and also a quickness advantage over Hart too.
You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.

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When is the last time an undersized backcourt like that worked? The roster will will leave you fixing one issue and creating another no matter how much you try

The last time? Maybe the 89-90 Pistons? But Dumars was 6'4 not 6'1.

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Post #170 » by **DOT** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:17 pm

If you go into the playoffs looking to avoid teams, you've already lost.

nedleeds · Post #171 » by **nedleeds** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:45 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
HEZI wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.

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When is the last time an undersized backcourt like that worked? The roster will will leave you fixing one issue and creating another no matter how much you try
The last time? Maybe the 89-90 Pistons? But Dumars was 6'4 not 6'1.

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Joe Dumars was all nba 1st team defense 5 times, finals mvp and walked into the hall of fame. Zeke wasc5 time all nba, 12 time all star, finals mvp. It worked because both walked into the hall of fame. We are so moribund and deranged we have deuce McBride in the same conversation as Dumars.

MrDollarBills · Post #172 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:15 pm

DOT wrote:If you go into the playoffs looking to avoid teams, you've already lost.

100%. No true contender would duck anyone.

Frankly I think the chances of this team losing in Round 1 are higher than I'd like to admit. Detroit is not scared of this team, they play like goons, and they play super physical/have depth.

Cade was hunting for food last night and Tom had no answer. Karl didn't look like he wanted any smoke. Not good.

I'm probably overreacting but I have serious concerns....these guys aren't ready.

Wildcat · Post #173 » by **Wildcat** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:19 pm

Not nearly enough people are talking about how disappointing of a season Deuce is having. He's playing more minutes and his shooting numbers are down across the board.

MrDollarBills · Post #174 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:20 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:My 3 Main Concerns with the Team

!) Insufficient Shot Volume: Despite being one of the league's top shooting teams in both three-point percentage and two-point percentage, we rank near the bottom in pace. This disconnect is glaring. In the game against Boston, we hit more shots but still lost. The argument often made is that we need to take more three-pointers, but I don't think simply increasing three-point attempts would address the underlying issue. It's like trading 10 easy layups (worth 20 points) for 10 three-point attempts, where we might make 4 of them (yielding 12 points), it doesn't add up in our favor. What we should be doing is increasing our overall shot volume during games. By getting more attempts up, we alleviate the pressure of lacking a secondary creator, and capitalize on opportunities before the defense is fully set.

2) Failure to Defend the Three: Our defensive strategy against the three-pointer is stupid. Thibs seems reluctant to prioritize defending the perimeter. While our defensive metrics sometimes look good, we often lose games because opponents hit significantly more threes than we do. The core issue here isn't just the percentage opponents shoot but the sheer number of attempts they get. Even if they shoot poorly, their higher pace allows them to hit enough threes to tip the game in their favor. This disparity in pace and shot volume ultimately undermines whatever great shooting nights we could have.

3) We're soft.

100% on all three points. Numbers 1 and 2 have been the problem all year, number 3 gets exacerbated by both.

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