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Guano wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Knicks tanked this game..
Brunson's ankle will be "sore" tomorrow.
KAT will have injury management.
We're trying to get to Cleveland's side of the bracket.
Wonder if Indiana recognizes and tanks themselves?
This is weak af and embarrassing if true.
Guano wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
This is our captain and no runs in to defend him or push schroder out of the way???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell happened to the knicks we loved.
This sums up this season and our teams new culture perfectly.
MrDollarBills wrote:DOT wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Not having KAT and Mitch play enough minutes together concerns me
KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT
Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.
KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.
Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.
TheGreenArrow wrote:Guano wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
This is our captain and no runs in to defend him or push schroder out of the way???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell happened to the knicks we loved.
This sums up this season and our teams new culture perfectly.
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Super soft man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve been trying to fight it but it’s too obvious now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last offseason was a disaster from the bridges trade to the Kat trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just an unmitigated disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gravy wrote:Guano wrote:Knicksfan1992 wrote:The Knicks tanked this game..
Brunson's ankle will be "sore" tomorrow.
KAT will have injury management.
We're trying to get to Cleveland's side of the bracket.
Wonder if Indiana recognizes and tanks themselves?
This is weak af and embarrassing if true.
Tankers get a small victory in the Thibs era
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
Gravy wrote:They said Deuce in the starting lineup would fix the shooting. If Deuce is going to shoot as bad as Hart then you may as well leave Hart in the sl to get you a triple double.
TheGreenArrow wrote:Guano wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g
This is our captain and no runs in to defend him or push schroder out of the way???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell happened to the knicks we loved.
This sums up this season and our teams new culture perfectly.
Super soft man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve been trying to fight it but it’s too obvious now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last offseason was a disaster from the bridges trade to the Kat trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just an unmitigated disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
DOT wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:DOT wrote:KAT and Mitch together defeats the purpose of having KAT
Might as well have just kept Randle at that point.
KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.
Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.
Like I said
You might as well have just kept Randle at that point.
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
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3toheadmelo wrote:rajajackal wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:
KAT is defensively is a PF to me, Mitch is the guy who anchors and works better at the 5 in Tom's scheme.
Mitch/KAT/OG/Bridges/Brunson should be the play. If I'm gonna have a non shooter out there, let it be Mitch who defends and is a threat to finish.
also, kat was doing things like blocking out for mitch. he may suck at defense, but he puts in a more consistent effort than randle. having those two 7 footers down low is a totally different presence than mitch/randle gave us. i hoped kat at c would suffice, but i'm all in on the twin towers at this point
Yeah idk about KAT giving effort. Too many times he is ball watching and does the laziest close outs ever. Thats why he’s literally graded at the bottom of centers on defense on metrics. We never had that problem before.
but i'm saying if your starting PF is gonna suck at defense (whether due to ability like kat or due to feeling exempt from it like randle) him being 7 ft down low just makes mitch's job much easier than 6'9 does Guano wrote:god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
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Rightfully so - relying on gramps to be the inforcer is embarrassing in of itself
god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
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rajajackal wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:rajajackal wrote:also, kat was doing things like blocking out for mitch. he may suck at defense, but he puts in a more consistent effort than randle. having those two 7 footers down low is a totally different presence than mitch/randle gave us. i hoped kat at c would suffice, but i'm all in on the twin towers at this point
Yeah idk about KAT giving effort. Too many times he is ball watching and does the laziest close outs ever. Thats why he’s literally graded at the bottom of centers on defense on metrics. We never had that problem before.
like i said, he sucks (feet and awareness) but he does give effort. that's why he makes so many stupid defensive fouls. if i didn't compare the effort level to randle's you would have let it rock
spree2kawhi wrote:rajajackal wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah idk about KAT giving effort. Too many times he is ball watching and does the laziest close outs ever. Thats why he’s literally graded at the bottom of centers on defense on metrics. We never had that problem before.
like i said, he sucks (feet and awareness) but he does give effort. that's why he makes so many stupid defensive fouls. if i didn't compare the effort level to randle's you would have let it rock
Towns isn’t worse than Randle defensively.
god shammgod wrote:Guano wrote:god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
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Rightfully so - relying on gramps to be the inforcer is embarrassing in of itself
everybody wondered why he was here. now you know.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
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Guano wrote:god shammgod wrote:Guano wrote:
Rightfully so - relying on gramps to be the inforcer is embarrassing in of itself
everybody wondered why he was here. now you know.
It's elder abuse. Sending out an old man to provide toughness. It's so shameful it's comedic.
TheGreenArrow wrote:god shammgod wrote:pj out here calling the team soft now....sad
“They just out-toughed us. They did. The whole fourth quarter,” said PJ Tucker, the veteran who received rotation minutes for the first time this season. “We kept it close but they just out-toughed us. That’s something we got to address. Obviously, not having OG [Anunoby], not having Josh [Hart], getting those guys back will help a lot.
“I just feel like down in the trenches like that in the playoffs this year, they’re not calling nothing. They’re letting a lot of stuff go right now and I like it. The refs are letting a lot of stuff go both ways. With that happening, guys got to play differently. We got to play different. We got to toughen up. It’s more physical. We got to toughen up.”
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I’m not expecting anything from this team this postseason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Changes need to be made win or lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Either fire thibs or change up the core players on the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cant just run it back next season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm afraid I have quite no idea what you are arguing. My position is simply Deuce is too small to be paired in the backcoirt with Brunson.JayTWill wrote:prophet_of_rage wrote:You can't hide Deuce and Brunson. Cade was cooking evwrybody down low. And then whoever was left had to deal with Harris 6'8 and Thomson 6'6. With 6'6 Beasley coming in.JayTWill wrote:
But Thibs wouldn't put Hart on Cade. Mikal guarded Cade most of the time this year. Hart spent most of the last Pistons game guarding a limited offensive threat in Ausur Thompson and other off-ball players. Thibs tries to hide Hart off the ball defensively as much as possible. He could have attempted the same thing with Deuce this game but he chose not to.
Every time Cade got off the bench, Deuce got off the bench. That is the role Mikal has had much of the year. Thibs would never put Hart in that position. Cade would have had a length and also a quickness advantage over Hart too.
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Cade went to work on McBride last night. Tatum went to work on Mikal the game before. Booker went to work on OG the game before that. What you won't see is a player going to work on Hart or Brunson very often because Thibs tries to hide them as much as possible off ball although it does feel like he has taken some of the defensive responsibility off of Mikal in the last month or so which may be part of the reason we saw Deuce on Cade all game instead of Mikal. If Thibs did put Hart on Cade, Tatum or Booker I have a strong feeling they would have went to work on him too.
I'm not a fan of undersized backcourts and was one of the few people that thought Grimes should have been placed back in the starting lineup in last January in place of DDV since I thought Grimes was a much better defensive backcourt pairing with Brunson and DDV offense and experience could have been used on the bench. I still wanted a bigger, stronger more versatile defender to pair with Brunson. Deuce is far from my ideal backcourt pairing with Brunson but Hart isn't either. He has plenty of his own defensive issues this year.
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There is no indication that Hart is better defensively for the team especially when paired with Brunson. Hart is stronger but incredibly undersized also with other defensive limitations.