2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion

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2025 DPOY

Amen Thompson
22
15%
Ivica Zubac
8
5%
Jalen Williams
0
No votes
Toumani Camara
13
9%
Lu Dort
10
7%
Jalen Suggs
1
1%
Evan Mobley
40
27%
Jaren Jackson Jr.
10
7%
Dyson Daniels
29
19%
Rudy Gobert
16
11%
 
Total votes: 149

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Post#501 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Apr 8, 2025 12:38 am

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a8bil wrote:Draymond doesn't get enough love in this thread. He's putting on a master class in team defense this season.
It's going to be all Pikachu faces and anger when he wins it.

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Because the award is supposed to be for the full year of effort.

There was a meaningful difference in pre-Butler and post-Butler defensive effort from Draymond when the opportunity to play games that mean something arose...
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Post#502 » by The Master » Tue Apr 8, 2025 1:12 am

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Damn, this race is super close. Besides my sympathies (Team Amen), I don't think I'm capable of making a top3 here that wouldn't be purely arbitrary. Did I forget about someone? There are some players (McDaniels) that are All-NBA D Team candidates, but I don't think they're brought in discussions about DPOTY.

My takes:

- among players from DPOTY convos, Daniels and Dort are overrated (it doesn't mean that they're not great) - and Jalen Williams may be the most underrated defender,
- Zubac has probably the most consistent metrics among all players considering Clippers with him on a court are defensively similar to OKC with Dort - that's insane,
- it's easy to understand why Daniels doesn't look great in on/off metrics considering his awful DFG% splits - Hawks' overall defense may be at fault, but it doesn't change a fact he's the worst here in terms of both DRTG of his team and DFG%, that's disquailfying from DPOTY conversation IMHO,
- I guess Jackson doesn't look in impact metrics as great as his individual splits would suggest due to his poor rebounding,
- Amen is the only perimeter player checking in all the boxes to be a part of DPOTY convo IMHO,
- like him or not, you have to give credit to Draymond how all-round versatile he is as a defender 10 seasons after his first title.
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Post#503 » by Kobe187 » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:10 pm

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Post#504 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Apr 9, 2025 3:14 pm

The Master wrote:Image

Damn, this race is super close. Besides my sympathies (Team Amen), I don't think I'm capable of making a top3 here that wouldn't be purely arbitrary. Did I forget about someone? There are some players (McDaniels) that are All-NBA D Team candidates, but I don't think they're brought in discussions about DPOTY.

My takes:

- among players from DPOTY convos, Daniels and Dort are overrated (it doesn't mean that they're not great) - and Jalen Williams may be the most underrated defender,
- Zubac has probably the most consistent metrics among all players considering Clippers with him on a court are defensively similar to OKC with Dort - that's insane,
- it's easy to understand why Daniels doesn't look great in on/off metrics considering his awful DFG% splits - Hawks' overall defense may be at fault, but it doesn't change a fact he's the worst here in terms of both DRTG of his team and DFG%, that's disquailfying from DPOTY conversation IMHO,
- I guess Jackson doesn't look in impact metrics as great as his individual splits would suggest due to his poor rebounding,
- Amen is the only perimeter player checking in all the boxes to be a part of DPOTY convo IMHO,
- like him or not, you have to give credit to Draymond how all-round versatile he is as a defender 10 seasons after his first title.


Great post.

Zubac, Draymond, Amen, Dort should be the 4 finalists in not a particular order. Mobley is great but not quite top 4, Dyson puts up big counting stats but something is off with impact and Hawks defense is meh. JJJ is too putrid of a rebounder and inconsistent defensively whenever I watch him.

Leaning Zu because of the Clips being a top 3 defense, or Amen because despite his age his monster defensive impact also on a top 3 defense that is a 2 seed.
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Mobley and JJJ are dead in the water vs Zu as a paint defender. It’s Zu, Draymond, Dort or Amen.
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Post#506 » by dhsilv2 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 9:27 pm

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Mobley and JJJ are dead in the water vs Zu as a paint defender. It’s Zu, Draymond, Dort or Amen.


Can we not get the images extracted so we don't have to click on these dark web creepo sites?
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Post#507 » by OkcSinceSGA » Wed Apr 9, 2025 10:20 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:
Mobley and JJJ are dead in the water vs Zu as a paint defender. It’s Zu, Draymond, Dort or Amen.


Can we not get the images extracted so we don't have to click on these dark web creepo sites?


I can see the entire thing in the preview. It doesn’t show for you?
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OkcSinceSGA wrote:
Mobley and JJJ are dead in the water vs Zu as a paint defender. It’s Zu, Draymond, Dort or Amen.


Can we not get the images extracted so we don't have to click on these dark web creepo sites?


I can see the entire thing in the preview. It doesn’t show for you?


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Post#511 » by Castle Black » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:45 pm

Wemby should be a 2x DPOY already. Instead he has none. Tragic.

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Post#512 » by MoreyWins » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:57 pm

Lowe and Goldsberry briefly talked about DPOY. Kirk took Draymond and acknowledged the ridiculousness of the odds swinging in favor of him. They yapped about Dort for some reason, idk why his name is still being brought up for this award. They talked about Dort more than they did Amen and put them in the same category of defender because their primary option is usually a perimeter guy. It's crazy how nuance is lost with defense. If you can't recognize Amen's ability as a help defender, a shot blocker, and an overall defensive playmaker then I don't know what you're watching. He does it all without flopping.
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Post#513 » by Kiss of Death » Fri Apr 11, 2025 12:46 pm

‘Amen’s maximum recorded speed on the court over his first two seasons in the league was 33.7 feet per second, or almost exactly 23 miles per hour. For reference, Usain Bolt’s average speed during his world-record 100-meter time set in 2009 was 23.35 miles per hour. In other words: Amen can reach the coasting speeds of the fastest man in history.‘

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Post#515 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:53 pm

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Unfortunately for Daniels, his actual on-court defensive impact lags far behind his gaudy box-score numbers.
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Post#516 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:06 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Unfortunately for Daniels, his actual on-court defensive impact lags far behind his gaudy box-score numbers.



In some aspects. Let's be honest, no single defensive player is dominant at every level of the defense.
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Post#517 » by MoreyWins » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:07 pm

Kiss of Death wrote:‘Amen’s maximum recorded speed on the court over his first two seasons in the league was 33.7 feet per second, or almost exactly 23 miles per hour. For reference, Usain Bolt’s average speed during his world-record 100-meter time set in 2009 was 23.35 miles per hour. In other words: Amen can reach the coasting speeds of the fastest man in history.‘

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"There are only six other players (with at least 2,000 minutes played during the season) who have ever recorded a steal and block rate comparable to Amen’s output this season while also fouling as little as he has per 100 possessions. That list? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Kevin Garnett, Ben Wallace, Andrei Kirilenko, Anthony Davis, and Victor Wembanyama."

"The Rockets’ likeliest first-round opponents—the Timberwolves or the Grizzlies—each feature supreme athletes who know what it’s like to have Thompson chasing them down. It’s not pretty, and the results are damn-near identical. Both Edwards and Ja Morant have hit only 33 percent of their 18 shot attempts with Amen as their primary defender; they’ve both been blocked by Thompson twice."
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Post#519 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:Unfortunately for Daniels, his actual on-court defensive impact lags far behind his gaudy box-score numbers.



In some aspects. Let's be honest, no single defensive player is dominant at every level of the defense.
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Prime Draymond, LeBron and KG were all pretty dominant at every level.

The problem with Dyson is his overall defensive impact lags behind any other name in this thread.
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Post#520 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:32 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:The problem with Dyson is his overall defensive impact lags behind any other name in this thread.


He also shares the court with some of the worst defensive personnel in the league and has to do most of the heavy lifting by his lonesome...

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