Joel: unchained.

[M2J]

I’m anesthesia doc. My buddy is ortho doc. We have discussions all the time. Embiid is almost 300 pounds. The wear and tear and the injury history on the knees.

He’s likely or already bone on bone. Not sure how much a diagnostic knee scope will do. Notice they didn’t say anything about MRI scans. Because there may not be anything to fix.

I just hope he can manage the pain. Play limited minutes and games and still be impactful for 20-25 minutes he can give the team. A ton of money to pay someone that.

I wish Embiid the best. I never thought he would last longer than age 29. I’m a KU grad so followed his entire career.

Isn't a diagnostic knee scope for identifying the problem (areas of pain)? Joel is having arthroscopic knee surgery which is an attempt to fix the problem right? I'm in no way trying to start an argument, I just thought there was a difference between the two. His career is on the line. At best he can hope to return and play for a few more years and then probably live with some arthritis for the rest of his life. Either way I hope he makes a full recovery. We need him.

Did the Sixers Dr or front office say the arthroscopic surgery was to "fix" his knee?

Have we heard anything from the Sixers org or just a relayed message by Shams?

Again, I'm betting they're going in like they did for Kawhi last summer. Possibly to clean up loose bodies or issues causing the swelling or even just to take a closer look. This may not mean that he won't also visit Germany in the end

[eyeatoma]

Isn't a diagnostic knee scope for identifying the problem (areas of pain)? Joel is having arthroscopic knee surgery which is an attempt to fix the problem right? I'm in no way trying to start an argument, I just thought there was a difference between the two. His career is on the line. At best he can hope to return and play for a few more years and then probably live with some arthritis for the rest of his life. Either way I hope he makes a full recovery. We need him.

Did the Sixers Dr or front office say the arthroscopic surgery was to "fix" his knee?

Have we heard anything from the Sixers org or just a relayed message by Shams?

Again, I'm betting they're going in like they did for Kawhi last summer. Possibly to clean up loose bodies or issues causing the swelling or even just to take a closer look. This may not mean that he won't also visit Germany in the end

This is what I was thinking.

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[ProcessDoctor]

We all wanted Embiid to be the next Tim Duncan. If we win this lottery, he might be more like the next David Robinson.

[phillynative]

We all wanted Embiid to be the next Tim Duncan. If we win this lottery, he might be more like the next David Robinson.

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[ProcessDoctor]

We all wanted Embiid to be the next Tim Duncan. If we win this lottery, he might be more like the next David Robinson.

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David Robinson was drafted 1st overall by the Spurs in the 1987 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (military service). Through his age-31 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 71 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (advanced past the 2nd round once). After being out for most of the 96-97 season, the Spurs won the lottery and drafted Tim Duncan #1 overall in the 1997 draft. Robinson went on to win 2 championships with the Spurs in 1999 and 2003.

Joel Embiid was drafted 3rd overall by the 76ers in the 2014 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (injury). Through his age-30 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 70 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (never advanced past the 2nd round). After being out for most of the 24-25 season...

[the_process]

We all wanted Embiid to be the next Tim Duncan. If we win this lottery, he might be more like the next David Robinson.

?

David Robinson was drafted 1st overall by the Spurs in the 1987 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (military service). Through his age-31 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 71 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (advanced past the 2nd round once). After being out for most of the 96-97 season, the Spurs won the lottery and drafted Tim Duncan #1 overall in the 1997 draft. Robinson went on to win 2 championships with the Spurs in 1999 and 2003.

Joel Embiid was drafted 3rd overall by the 76ers in the 2014 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (injury). Through his age-30 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 70 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (never advanced past the 2nd round). After being out for most of the 24-25 season...

Is Joel capable of taking a backseat and being a role player? Nothing we have seen from him indicates he has the strength of character for that.

Robinson obviously exuded strength of character.

[ProcessDoctor]

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David Robinson was drafted 1st overall by the Spurs in the 1987 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (military service). Through his age-31 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 71 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (advanced past the 2nd round once). After being out for most of the 96-97 season, the Spurs won the lottery and drafted Tim Duncan #1 overall in the 1997 draft. Robinson went on to win 2 championships with the Spurs in 1999 and 2003.

Joel Embiid was drafted 3rd overall by the 76ers in the 2014 draft. He missed his first two seasons with the team (injury). Through his age-30 season, he was a perennial MVP candidate (won once) and was known for his monster two-way presence. He scored 70 points in a game. He struggled to advance his team in the playoffs (never advanced past the 2nd round). After being out for most of the 24-25 season...

Is Joel capable of taking a backseat and being a role player? Nothing we have seen from him indicates he has the strength of character for that.

Robinson obviously exuded strength of character.

Great question. They are very different between the ears.

[SixthStreet]

That’s analysis with the benefit of hindsight. There’s no indication Robinson was thrilled at the time about Duncan. Obviously he adapted but it’s partly because Duncan showed from basically day 1 he was a superstar and played like it. Robinson had no choice but to play a supporting role.

We have no one like Duncan, even if we get Flagg.

[Iverson Armband]

That’s analysis with the benefit of hindsight. There’s no indication Robinson was thrilled at the time about Duncan. Obviously he adapted but it’s partly because Duncan showed from basically day 1 he was a superstar and played like it. Robinson had no choice but to play a supporting role.

We have no one like Duncan, even if we get Flagg.

Do you have evidence he wasn’t thrilled with Duncan?

What we do know is David Robinson was a man of integrity, a leader, someone who took great care of his body. Joel Embiid…

[ProcessDoctor]

That’s analysis with the benefit of hindsight. There’s no indication Robinson was thrilled at the time about Duncan. Obviously he adapted but it’s partly because Duncan showed from basically day 1 he was a superstar and played like it. Robinson had no choice but to play a supporting role.

We have no one like Duncan, even if we get Flagg.

I mean, Flagg has been one of, if not THE, best college freshman ever. I wouldn't assume that by year 2 he can't be a top-3 player on a championship team.

[FlyingArrow]

That’s analysis with the benefit of hindsight. There’s no indication Robinson was thrilled at the time about Duncan. Obviously he adapted but it’s partly because Duncan showed from basically day 1 he was a superstar and played like it. Robinson had no choice but to play a supporting role.

We have no one like Duncan, even if we get Flagg.

If you're saying that no one is like Duncan, that's fine. But Flagg has as good a chance as just about anybody else of reaching those lofty heights.

[the_process]

I saw something on Yahoo about how Jo's surgery was successful? Reevaluated in six weeks?

Successful why? Successful how? Just saying "arthroscopic surgery' can mean different things as far as what the goals are and what was accomplished.

Jo's lack of transparency is annoying. I get it's his personal health, but we're not asking about STD's or autoimmune disorders or even neuropathies. We want to know what was wrong with your knee and what was done to fix it because you make 250M the next few seasons and if you can't play it ruins the team.

[FlyingArrow]

I saw something on Yahoo about how Jo's surgery was successful? Reevaluated in six weeks?

Successful why? Successful how? Just saying "arthroscopic surgery' can mean different things as far as what the goals are and what was accomplished.

Jo's lack of transparency is annoying. I get it's his personal health, but we're not asking about STD's or autoimmune disorders or even neuropathies. We want to know what was wrong with your knee and what was done to fix it because you make 250M the next few seasons and if you can't play it ruins the team.

It's his personal health, and if it's not 100% then letting that knowledge out is bad for both Embiid and the team. Sure, we want to know, but it doesn't help his career or the team's chances of doing anything good. Including trade him. (Of course, there'd be a physical anyway.) Including persuading good players to come here (or stay here). It would also give opponents more info to gameplan around.

[76ciology]

I saw something on Yahoo about how Jo's surgery was successful? Reevaluated in six weeks?

Successful why? Successful how? Just saying "arthroscopic surgery' can mean different things as far as what the goals are and what was accomplished.

Jo's lack of transparency is annoying. I get it's his personal health, but we're not asking about STD's or autoimmune disorders or even neuropathies. We want to know what was wrong with your knee and what was done to fix it because you make 250M the next few seasons and if you can't play it ruins the team.

What if the team also prefers to keep his medical situation private, so they’re not pressured by the fanbase if they eventually make a move? Jojo might also want the freedom to play or rest on his own terms.

That said, I get where you’re coming from, and honestly, I feel the same. That’s why I’d rather be a mediocre team focused purely on basketball than chase greatness while being left in the dark about what we have or what we’re getting.

[the_process]

I saw something on Yahoo about how Jo's surgery was successful? Reevaluated in six weeks?

Successful why? Successful how? Just saying "arthroscopic surgery' can mean different things as far as what the goals are and what was accomplished.

Jo's lack of transparency is annoying. I get it's his personal health, but we're not asking about STD's or autoimmune disorders or even neuropathies. We want to know what was wrong with your knee and what was done to fix it because you make 250M the next few seasons and if you can't play it ruins the team.

What if the team also prefers to keep his medical situation private, so they’re not pressured by the fanbase if they eventually make a move? Jojo might also want the freedom to play or rest on his own terms.

That said, I get where you’re coming from, and honestly, I feel the same. That’s why I’d rather be a mediocre team focused purely on basketball than chase greatness while being left in the dark about what we have or what we’re getting.

If Jo made 30M per, it wouldn't really be an issue.

If we were under the old CBA, it wouldn't really be an issue, either.

But he's not, and we're not.

There's also the issue of I don't believe there was anything structurally wrong with Jo's knee and this is all about pain tolerance.

Further, there's the fact Jo needs to go and if you put the medicals out there another team is more likely to take a shot in the dark (looking at you Lakers, although Charlotte can also match without giving up anything important).

[ProcessDoctor]

https://stathead.com/basketball/vs/giannis-vs-joel-embiid

When you look at the metrics, it's just even more of a shame we never broke through with him. He was toe-to-toe with Giannis (and Joker) in so many ways.

Kinda crazy this might be our last season with him (based on Morey's comments).

[eyeatoma]

https://stathead.com/basketball/vs/giannis-vs-joel-embiid

When you look at the metrics, it's just even more of a shame we never broke through with him. He was toe-to-toe with Giannis (and Joker) in so many ways.

Kinda crazy this might be our last season with him (based on Morey's comments).

What did Morey say to make you think we're trading him? Or do you think he won't get healthy?

[SixthStreet]

I haven’t done an analysis, but my gut tells me that Embiid is one of NBAs true superstars in league history who’s team achievement failures are most attributable to roster building malpractice.

Unfortunately, he himself will bear the brunt of the criticism. It’s not fair.

[SixersSince82]

I haven’t done an analysis, but my gut tells me that Embiid is one of NBAs true superstars in league history who’s team achievement failures are most attributable to roster building malpractice.

Unfortunately, he himself will bear the brunt of the criticism. It’s not fair.

I think they are mostly attributable to Embiid being too injury prone.

[eyeatoma]

I haven’t done an analysis, but my gut tells me that Embiid is one of NBAs true superstars in league history who’s team achievement failures are most attributable to roster building malpractice.

Unfortunately, he himself will bear the brunt of the criticism. It’s not fair.

Without a doubt, one of the Goats talent wise. If he were healthy we would be looking at 3+ chips at this point. That simple. We had the guy, just not the injury luck, along with the worst management to go with it.