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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1461 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:20 pm

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thamadkant wrote:KD to Dallas is not going to happen unless Mavericks surrender 4 first rounders along with Klay.


I'd accept a package of Thompson/ Washington/ Marshall/ Martin/ Lively/ DAL 25' 1st ( 13th pick)/ LAL 29' 1st.

** Then I'd look to trade Thompson to another team more cheap assets? Maybe trade him to Charlotte for G Williams and CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick) and NOP 25' 2nd (34th pick).

- 13th pick.
- 29th pick.
- 33rd pick.
- 34th pick.
- 55th pick.


I would probably do that deal with Dallas

My guess, the market for Klay would be better than Grant Williams - -wonder if you could flip Klay for Duncan Robinson to get the cap space a year earlier....
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1462 » by sunsbum » Sat Apr 12, 2025 4:48 pm

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Saberestar wrote:Come on guys, I understand your frustration but creating narratives with that answer it's funny. Kobe always talked about respecting fans that way and playing every game like it could be your last game.

It's a way of life more than saying I am gonna ask out.


Yea, it was pretty clear for me from the context that he meant "phoenix fan who came out to the arena and maybe doesnt have the means to see the suns play for another couple years", so dont make it out to be something that its not. I think. In a way it was a very typical "too chiseled" "too much pc nothingness" "say all the right things but dont mean any of it" "wake up from my sleep and i will say the same as i ve been media trained to death" Booker answer that I have problems with.
With that said, if it came true in a way that you guys think I wouldn't be surprised either.


Yeah it's just a politically correct answer as they say. As I said above it's all business. Once Ishbia realizes majority of fans have turned off of Booker and loses keep coming things will change fast. For now it seems there is love coming from both sides. How long that lasts, we'll have to wait and see.
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Post#1463 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 4:53 pm

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Post#1464 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:13 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1465 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:18 pm

Is the Beal trade the worst Suns trade of all time?

The other contenders, off the top of my head:
- Gail Goodrich for Mel Counts. Mel Counts gave us 8 and 5 over a couple seasons. After several all-star seasons for the Lakers, Goodrich was traded to Utah for an unprotected pick that became... Magic Johnson.
- Dennis Johnson for Rick Robey. Robey was injured half his three seasons here, playing 12 MPG. Dennis Johnson was a 2x all-star in Phoenix, 1x more for the Celtics and one of the best defensive guards in the league over the next 4 years, winning two championships.
- Mikal Bridges (later traded for 4 FRP), Cam Johnson (Nets were offered 2 FRP at deadline), 4 FRP, 1 FRP swap and 2 SRP. Altogether that would be 10 FRPs, 1 FRP swap and 2 SRP for Durant.
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Post#1466 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:28 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:
thamadkant wrote:KD to Dallas is not going to happen unless Mavericks surrender 4 first rounders along with Klay.


I'd accept a package of Thompson/ Washington/ Marshall/ Martin/ Lively/ DAL 25' 1st ( 13th pick)/ LAL 29' 1st.

** Then I'd look to trade Thompson to another team more cheap assets? Maybe trade him to Charlotte for G Williams and CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick) and NOP 25' 2nd (34th pick).

- 13th pick.
- 29th pick.
- 33rd pick.
- 34th pick.
- 55th pick.


I would probably do that deal with Dallas

My guess, the market for Klay would be better than Grant Williams - -wonder if you could flip Klay for Duncan Robinson to get the cap space a year earlier....


If I could get an equitable expiring for Thimpson, I'd definitely consider that man. Although, I'd personally prefer the two early 2nds in this draft as they could yield some very exciting cost controlled high end athletic talent that could be very impactful for our core and possibly even provide immediate impact value too just as players like Gillespie, Dunn, and Oso have provided!

Key names for me just in that specific range could be................. Sergio de Larrea a 6'6 milosTeosodic), Alex Condon ( a more physical Eubanks), Maxime Raynaud ( a Pau Gasol/ Sengun mix), Rocco Zisarky (for those who want a 7'3 lanky Gobert defensive center), Isiah Evans ( Mikal Bridges prospect with elite shooting/ scoring upside), Boogie Fland (basically another Dillingham/ Quickley).

All could offer unique impact/ value for us.
And I'd add Grant Williams because it'd allow me to more easily replace/ trade O'neale with him. Gleaming even more assets back for our cache we'd be low key rebuilding. :wink:
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Post#1467 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:37 pm

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In the world of Mat Ishbia, the best plan with Bradley Beal is the buyout market.
Stretching would be longer term pain than necessary
Trading would cost you draft picks

So I am good if they buy out Beal and let him move on with his career because any other option, I think is worse
And truly, I don't care where Beal goes -- its the right move for the Suns to buy him out and move on

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1468 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:37 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Is the Beal trade the worst Suns trade of all time?


I'm going to answer my own question: no. If I could take any of Ishbia's trades back, it'd be... well, all of them, honestly:
- The Beal trade sucked. I was iffy on it at best at the time.
- Ayton and Camara > Nurkic and Allen (though I enjoyed watching Nurk play hard his first year here). This trade broke my heart, and frankly, I think it broke the team as much as the others. We'd have won many more games this year with DA and Camara on the roster.
- Gave up a pick to unload Nurkic
- Gave up two seconds (net) to exchange Okogie for Nick Richards
- A bunch of trades sending out swap rights to guarantee our picks are trash interminably.
- Unprotected '31 for guaranteed-to-be-terrible future FRPs.

Only good trade was 2024 draft day deal to move back for Dunn and some extra seconds.

But if I could take any one deal back, it'd be DURANT. Liquidated value was 10 FRPs, 1 FRP swap and two SRPs. With the Beal trade, at least our swaps are with the league's worst franchise. It's not inconceivable that we could have the worst record in the league and only move back one spot if we swap with WAS. Or WAS ends up #1 and we keep our #3 or whatever.

If owning a team was a job, Mat Ishbia would have been blackballed by the NBA already (like my namesake).

P.S. A lot of Suns fans here and elsewhere were pumped about the Durant trade. There should be some sort of crow flair people have to wear around here. I didn't like the trade at the time - some others here didn't - but man, while it didn't look good to me at the time, it's so much worse in retrospect.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1469 » by Calvin Klein » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:40 pm

Crazy we might never see booker play for the suns again. What a way to **** everything up
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1470 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:42 pm

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BobbieL wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I'd accept a package of Thompson/ Washington/ Marshall/ Martin/ Lively/ DAL 25' 1st ( 13th pick)/ LAL 29' 1st.

** Then I'd look to trade Thompson to another team more cheap assets? Maybe trade him to Charlotte for G Williams and CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick) and NOP 25' 2nd (34th pick).

- 13th pick.
- 29th pick.
- 33rd pick.
- 34th pick.
- 55th pick.


I would probably do that deal with Dallas

My guess, the market for Klay would be better than Grant Williams - -wonder if you could flip Klay for Duncan Robinson to get the cap space a year earlier....


If I could get an equitable expiring for Thimpson, I'd definitely consider that man. Although, I'd personally prefer the two early 2nds in this draft as they could yield some very exciting cost controlled high end athletic talent that could be very impactful for our core and possibly even provide immediate impact value too just as players like Gillespie, Dunn, and Oso have provided!

Key names for me just in that specific range could be................. Sergio de Larrea a 6'6 milosTeosodic), Alex Condon ( a more physical Eubanks), Maxime Raynaud ( a Pau Gasol/ Sengun mix), Rocco Zisarky (for those who want a 7'3 lanky Gobert defensive center), Isiah Evans ( Mikal Bridges prospect with elite shooting/ scoring upside), Boogie Fland (basically another Dillingham/ Quickley).

All could offer unique impact/ value for us.
And I'd add Grant Williams because it'd allow me to more easily replace/ trade O'neale with him. Gleaming even more assets back for our cache we'd be low key rebuilding. :wink:


Fair enough -- Charlotte can figure out what team to flip Klay too.

Grante Williams does expire in 2027 - -so that would be the right timeline as Beal will be cap space in the summer of 2027 if bought out

Ishbia probably saves $100m if he buys out Beal for $90m
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Post#1471 » by Saberestar » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:46 pm

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That's great because that means that he will be OK with a buyout and he will accept to give up at least $10M from his 2 years/110M salary. Hopefully more than that.

That way we can start working on different options to improve the roster knowing that we will not be a 2nd apron team anymore.
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Post#1472 » by BobbieL » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:56 pm

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That's great because that means that he will be OK with a buyout and he will accept to give up at least $10M from his 2 years/110M salary. Hopefully more than that.

That way we can start working on different options to improve the roster knowing that we will not be a 2nd apron team anymore.


2nd apron
Micic has a club options. I think he wants to go back home -- granted, he wanted to play with Joker too - release -- so thats 8m
Martin - I think the club option won't be picked up - another $8m

Based on what I read - that would put them about $8m above the apron

So if you can get Beal to take $10m per year - -as for the MLE he would get that back - that would put them under the apron

Which, if I have it correct - the Suns could than be able to make trades with multiple players. Meaning, in a Durant trade, maybe you can attach an Allen or O'Neale.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1473 » by sunsbg » Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:41 pm

sunsbum wrote: poor Booker can’t even do the right thing RIGHT in some of your eyes. Dude laces ‘em up with nothing on the line for people that paid hard earned money and kids maybe seeing book for the first time ever and you still putting up the noose. Just so we’re clear this board is not the majority of fans. Yall just drum up narratives like the media.


He's not poor though. He's just smarter than Ayton, who you used to hate all the time, and says the right things. His impact on winning is the same as Ayton's impact was for this team while being paid like a superstar. If DA's stats were empty as many like you used to say, then so are Booker's after failing to make the play-in on the highest salary team in the league. He failed to show up in front of many kids in quite some games this season and it's not like he was that great in this one either. Dunn and even Beal who is the culprit now showed more to those kids.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1474 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:46 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1475 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 7:27 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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I would probably do that deal with Dallas

My guess, the market for Klay would be better than Grant Williams - -wonder if you could flip Klay for Duncan Robinson to get the cap space a year earlier....


If I could get an equitable expiring for Thimpson, I'd definitely consider that man. Although, I'd personally prefer the two early 2nds in this draft as they could yield some very exciting cost controlled high end athletic talent that could be very impactful for our core and possibly even provide immediate impact value too just as players like Gillespie, Dunn, and Oso have provided!

Key names for me just in that specific range could be................. Sergio de Larrea a 6'6 milosTeosodic), Alex Condon ( a more physical Eubanks), Maxime Raynaud ( a Pau Gasol/ Sengun mix), Rocco Zisarky (for those who want a 7'3 lanky Gobert defensive center), Isiah Evans ( Mikal Bridges prospect with elite shooting/ scoring upside), Boogie Fland (basically another Dillingham/ Quickley).

All could offer unique impact/ value for us.
And I'd add Grant Williams because it'd allow me to more easily replace/ trade O'neale with him. Gleaming even more assets back for our cache we'd be low key rebuilding. :wink:


Fair enough -- Charlotte can figure out what team to flip Klay too.

Grant Williams does expire in 2027 - -so that would be the right timeline as Beal will be cap space in the summer of 2027 if bought out.
Ishbia probably saves $100m if he buys out Beal for $90m


This is why keeping Beal and letting him expire, trading him as an enormous expiring contract next summer, or waiting until the 26' season to buy him out makes much more sense than buying him out early this summer and having at least $20 million in (dead money) cap tied up from him and also we'd still have Littles' 3.1 million on our cap too till 2031. Altogether, close to 25 million tied up in our cap that will restrict us from making any significant moves whatsoever for the next 5-6 years and well into our rebuild.

That becomes a critically important consideration because it would also take us out of even being able to sign any big names in 27' free agency. And there are definitely star, superstar, and even franchise cornerstone and high-level impact starters amongst these lists of UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS for that very summer!!

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2027/type/ufa

Names like:
Steph Curry, Dame Lillard, Jimmy Butler, Kwahi Leeonard, Zach Lavine, Luka Doncic, Tre Young, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Jordan Poole, Tyler Herro, Isiah Hartenstein, Andrew Wiggins, RJ Barrett, Draymond Green, Miles Bridges, Cam Johnson, DeAndre' Hunter, Kyle Kuzma, KCP, Dillon Brooks, Jacob Poetl, Keldon Johnson, Bojan Bogdanovic, Klay Thompson, Lugen Dortz, Max Strus, Josh Green, Austin Reeves, Herb Jones, Grant Williams, Cole Anthony, Brandon Clarke, Donta DiVincenzo, Aaron Nesmith, Isaac Okoro, Jonas Valuncias, Lonzo Ball, Derrick Jones Jr, Kyle Anderson, Jaleen Smith, Naji Marshall, Goga Bidatze, Jock Landale, Kenrich Williams, Saddiq Bey, John Konchar, Toumani Camara, Andree Jackson, GG Jackson, Kris Dunn, Milees McBride, Jose Alvarado, Trace Jackson Davis, Keon ellis and many others!

Buying Beal out because people are in their feelings would be an egregiously ignorant and shortsighted decision that would absolutely restrict us from being able to bid/ sign any of these star/supeerstar/franchise cornerstone big names available to add with Booker if the plan is to keep him and try and beee competitive at all?? It would honestly be incredibly shortsighted and stupid to waive/ stretch or buy out Beal if you just look at the names I've shared that will be available in 2027 with him coming off our books would afford us close to $60 million to completely revamp our roster being able to add another big name possibly even two big names, or else a big name and high end quality depth!

The very best and smartest plan we could possibly pursue would be to trade KD for a package of young cost cost-controlled athletic players, expirings and picks! Then, load up on cost-controlled, elite athletic, explosive, physical, high-end talent from the draft. And then either trade Beal the following season (2026) as a gigantic expiring for a package of players, picks, or for another star that might be disgruntled but has a longer deal and a team is looking to get off of significant money? OR even better, just let him play out his deal here, coming off of the bench in a super 6th man role and then we'd have upwards of 90-100 million in total cap to add one or two big impact players to Booker and also already have young exciting core pieces to place around those stars or us in trades for other key players/ more picks to keep farming talent/picks for sustainability!! :wink:


hold onto Beal for another season, bringing him off of the bench to bolster our scoring as Booker sits to rest,
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1476 » by Frank Lee » Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:06 pm

Do you know what our salary commitments in 2026-27 are ghost? How about next yr?

Y’all are infatuated with cap space, when there are only 2-3 teams that ever have any. The key is to be under and stay under the second apron while having a range of salaries to deal. Look how challenging it is to move a 50 mill contract. Turns into a 4-5 for one transaction. This cba has created many top heavy teams with overpaid players.

Who was the last 40million $ free agent signing using cap space? Seems most big ticket player acquisitions are trades and sign and trades. Cap space is highly over rated. But tax/apron restrictions have to be strategically considered.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1477 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:17 pm

BobbieL wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
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Ummmm yeah.

What was that last part? Does he know something that we don't....


He knows it's business. Just like us.


maybe he was just saying that because it could be the last time he played - -life happens.
Or he knows the team has a rebuild coming and he doesn't want to be a part of it

I think Booker in Detroit next year makes more sense for Booker himself than Booker in Phoenix.

Gambo sayinig it would be a three year rebuild.


Only a three year rebuild would be a truly nice but ultimately very unrealistic expectation considering our current situation! I mean honestly, can anyone give me an example of a team successfully executing a 3 yr rebuild with an inexperienced, egregiously negligent front office, and no draft picks or other legitimate assets of value to build around??

Most legitimate rebuilds take at least 8-10 year to get a franchise back on track competitively. And obviously those scenarios only become much longer if you can't even cash in on the mechanisms for development/ improvements via draft picks and tradable assets, etc. And we clearly don't even have those either!

So what the Gambo statement tells me is that they're either completely delusional!! ( which their actions/ decisions this season have established as a valid argument),
OR

If we're actually keeping Booker, and doing a quick reload, Then their plan if they're even remotely smart, shrewd or utilize logical assessment of our situation would be to trade KD for the best overall package of young cost controlled talent, expirings and picks.

Then we should build through the draft positionally with young, super athletic, physical young talent on cost controlled rookie scale contracts ( 4 yrs of cost control). And then NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRADE OR BUYOUT/ WAIVE/ STRETCH BEAL!!!

Because he can simply be brought off the bench leading the 2nd unit as a super 6th man nuclear scoring option to bolster our bench scoring through next season and then actually become a valuable huge expiring trade asset.

Or else we can just let him play out his contract for upwards of 60 million in cap space to sign another star/ superstar option to put alongside of Booker and/ or multiple high end starter/ rotation level free agent options too.


Only that way can we experience a 3 year expedited rebuild back to being a top 4-6 playoff team! :nod:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1478 » by sunsbum » Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:33 pm

sunsbg wrote:
sunsbum wrote: poor Booker can’t even do the right thing RIGHT in some of your eyes. Dude laces ‘em up with nothing on the line for people that paid hard earned money and kids maybe seeing book for the first time ever and you still putting up the noose. Just so we’re clear this board is not the majority of fans. Yall just drum up narratives like the media.


He's not poor though. He's just smarter than Ayton, who you used to hate all the time, and says the right things. His impact on winning is the same as Ayton's impact was for this team while being paid like a superstar. If DA's stats were empty as many like you used to say, then so are Booker's after failing to make the play-in on the highest salary team in the league. He failed to show up in front of many kids in quite some games this season and it's not like he was that great in this one either. Dunn and even Beal who is the culprit now showed more to those kids.
comparing Booker to Ayton on and off the court is pretty crazy. Doubling down with a Beal name drop is a cherry. I’m not even going to entertain that tabloid.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1479 » by Slim Charless » Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:35 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
He knows it's business. Just like us.


maybe he was just saying that because it could be the last time he played - -life happens.
Or he knows the team has a rebuild coming and he doesn't want to be a part of it

I think Booker in Detroit next year makes more sense for Booker himself than Booker in Phoenix.

Gambo sayinig it would be a three year rebuild.


Only a three year rebuild would be a truly nice but ultimately very unrealistic expectation considering our current situation! I mean honestly, can anyone give me an example of a team successfully executing a 3 yr rebuild with an inexperienced, egregiously negligent front office, and no draft picks or other legitimate assets of value to build around??

Most legitimate rebuilds take at least 8-10 year to get a franchise back on track competitively. And obviously those scenarios only become much longer if you can't even cash in on the mechanisms for development/ improvements via draft picks and tradable assets, etc. And we clearly don't even have those either!

So what the Gambo statement tells me is that they're either completely delusional!! ( which their actions/ decisions this season have established as a valid argument),
OR

If we're actually keeping Booker, and doing a quick reload, Then their plan if they're even remotely smart, shrewd or utilize logical assessment of our situation would be to trade KD for the best overall package of young cost controlled talent, expirings and picks.

Then we should build through the draft positionally with young, super athletic, physical young talent on cost controlled rookie scale contracts ( 4 yrs of cost control). And then NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRADE OR BUYOUT/ WAIVE/ STRETCH BEAL!!!

Because he can simply be brought off the bench leading the 2nd unit as a super 6th man nuclear scoring option to bolster our bench scoring through next season and then actually become a valuable huge expiring trade asset.

Or else we can just let him play out his contract for upwards of 60 million in cap space to sign another star/ superstar option to put alongside of Booker and/ or multiple high end starter/ rotation level free agent options too.


Only that way can we experience a 3 year expedited rebuild back to being a top 4-6 playoff team! :nod:


The more I think about it, the more I just don't see Ish agreeing to a complete and total tear down. He's just gonna do a 180° and decide to tank? 2 years after giving up everything for KD? He doesn't seem like he wants to do that.

All of that, combined with Booker's comment and Durant being his signature move-the one he forced through when he took over makes me wonder.....

Starting to think we'll be stuck with 1 or the other and since Beal is here to take Booker's spot, then I wonder if our best hope is he trades Book and reloads around KD. That's only 2 years or so then we'll have a clean cap when he and Beal are off the cap sheet. Can sign someone/s to some max offers.

So with our hopeful Booker haul, we'd have something to build around.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V 

Post#1480 » by TeamTragic » Sat Apr 12, 2025 8:59 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
maybe he was just saying that because it could be the last time he played - -life happens.
Or he knows the team has a rebuild coming and he doesn't want to be a part of it

I think Booker in Detroit next year makes more sense for Booker himself than Booker in Phoenix.

Gambo sayinig it would be a three year rebuild.


Only a three year rebuild would be a truly nice but ultimately very unrealistic expectation considering our current situation! I mean honestly, can anyone give me an example of a team successfully executing a 3 yr rebuild with an inexperienced, egregiously negligent front office, and no draft picks or other legitimate assets of value to build around??

Most legitimate rebuilds take at least 8-10 year to get a franchise back on track competitively. And obviously those scenarios only become much longer if you can't even cash in on the mechanisms for development/ improvements via draft picks and tradable assets, etc. And we clearly don't even have those either!

So what the Gambo statement tells me is that they're either completely delusional!! ( which their actions/ decisions this season have established as a valid argument),
OR

If we're actually keeping Booker, and doing a quick reload, Then their plan if they're even remotely smart, shrewd or utilize logical assessment of our situation would be to trade KD for the best overall package of young cost controlled talent, expirings and picks.

Then we should build through the draft positionally with young, super athletic, physical young talent on cost controlled rookie scale contracts ( 4 yrs of cost control). And then NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRADE OR BUYOUT/ WAIVE/ STRETCH BEAL!!!

Because he can simply be brought off the bench leading the 2nd unit as a super 6th man nuclear scoring option to bolster our bench scoring through next season and then actually become a valuable huge expiring trade asset.

Or else we can just let him play out his contract for upwards of 60 million in cap space to sign another star/ superstar option to put alongside of Booker and/ or multiple high end starter/ rotation level free agent options too.


Only that way can we experience a 3 year expedited rebuild back to being a top 4-6 playoff team! :nod:


The more I think about it, the more I just don't see Ish agreeing to a complete and total tear down. He's just gonna do a 180° and decide to tank? 2 years after giving up everything for KD? He doesn't seem like he wants to do that.

All of that, combined with Booker's comment and Durant being his signature move-the one he forced through when he took over makes me wonder.....

Starting to think we'll be stuck with 1 or the other and since Beal is here to take Booker's spot, then I wonder if our best hope is he trades Book and reloads around KD. That's only 2 years or so then we'll have a clean cap when he and Beal are off the cap sheet. Can sign someone/s to some max offers.

So with our hopeful Booker haul, we'd have something to build around.


Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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