Cam Whitmore,valué offers

[ejftw]

When the Clippers lose this year perhaps you make a deal around FVV + some combo of Cam/Reed/pick(s) for Harden back

Houston needs a reliable shot creator and Harden is still a great passer as well. Would probable also take a discount to come back to Houston on a competitive team next to Amen/Brooks/Smith/Sengun

Why would the Clippers downgrade without having their picks for a chucking guard that's shooting 38/35, a lottery pick that's shown nothing, or a second year player that'll only have two years left at that point and has shown little or a mid first?

I think if they can get some Suns picks and they believe they can develop some of the younger guys coming back they would consider this. I’m not sure how the other option of riding out mid to late 30’s Harden and Kawhi moving forward is a much better option.

A first in 27 and/or 28 isn't going to move the needle much, and I don't see them viewing Whitmkre as someone to develop any more than they'd probably prefer to focus on Cam and Trentyn. Reed hasn't shown much in the way of someone to focus on developing and has more value to Houston than anyone else at this point.

Riding out Harden and Kawhi allows the team to continue to build a culture of competing hard (14 straight winning seasons iirc) while not waving the flag and giving OKC, then Philly, top picks. Plus, Harden has also helped Zu unlock another level, and who knows, if there's another to follow. Then, considering Intuit will host All Star festivities, why go into that season with a 15 win team that will give OKC it's unprotected first?

Now if they get control of their own picks back, that would be a different argument.

[K_chile22]

When the Clippers lose this year perhaps you make a deal around FVV + some combo of Cam/Reed/pick(s) for Harden back

Houston needs a reliable shot creator and Harden is still a great passer as well. Would probable also take a discount to come back to Houston on a competitive team next to Amen/Brooks/Smith/Sengun

The rockets chose Fred instead of Harden and have been great when Fred is on the floor I can't see them adding stuff to swap them

I wanted to ask a HOUSTON fan... if they were to trade for KD, who do you think (is more important) would you prioritize keeping FVV or Brooks?

Fred, but hard to match with Dillon unless Green is in the deal which I would do but idk where the team is on that, they certainly seem to like him more than I

[Billl]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

[babyjax13]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

I agree. Looking at the Jazz, I might swap Cody Williams for him because Cody sucks thus far and I'm not super confident he will be an NBA player, but he is a recent lottery pick with more cost-controlled years. I don't think that would be atypical of the kinds of offers Houston would get for Whitmore, so it is up to them to decide whether additional years on the clock, or reducing the possible high-end outcome is worth it.

[wemby]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

I agree. Looking at the Jazz, I might swap Cody Williams for him because Cody sucks thus far and I'm not super confident he will be an NBA player, but he is a recent lottery pick with more cost-controlled years. I don't think that would be atypical of the kinds of offers Houston would get for Whitmore, so it is up to them to decide whether additional years on the clock, or reducing the possible high-end outcome is worth it.

Oh, come on. Cam Whitmore is clearly NBA talent, despite his obvious flaws and red flags, Cody Williams has a long way to go before getting there. It's easily Cam > Cody at this point. I think Cam should easily get a look from a team in the late lottery to early 20s range, where most picks don't pan out anyway, but probably gets included in a larger consolidation trade.

[K_chile22]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

I agree. Looking at the Jazz, I might swap Cody Williams for him because Cody sucks thus far and I'm not super confident he will be an NBA player, but he is a recent lottery pick with more cost-controlled years. I don't think that would be atypical of the kinds of offers Houston would get for Whitmore, so it is up to them to decide whether additional years on the clock, or reducing the possible high-end outcome is worth it.

Oh, come on. Cam Whitmore is clearly NBA talent, despite his obvious flaws and red flags, Cody Williams has a long way to go before getting there. It's easily Cam > Cody at this point. I think Cam should easily get a look from a team in the late lottery to early 20s range, where most picks don't pan out anyway, but probably gets included in a larger consolidation trade.

Yeah Cam has his warts and I don't think he is particularly valuable at this point in time but Cody Williams is having a historically bad rookie season lol

[K_chile22]

I like the idea for Chicago, but would prefer to keep JSmith.
#10/Port pick/JCarter for #12/Whitmore worth it?

Id be somewhat interested in the Portland pick but do not want Carter, can the bulls just take cam into some exception?

Not running to call in a trade for that pick but could see them wanting a more future facing assets with Cam having two cost control years left

[babyjax13]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

I agree. Looking at the Jazz, I might swap Cody Williams for him because Cody sucks thus far and I'm not super confident he will be an NBA player, but he is a recent lottery pick with more cost-controlled years. I don't think that would be atypical of the kinds of offers Houston would get for Whitmore, so it is up to them to decide whether additional years on the clock, or reducing the possible high-end outcome is worth it.

Oh, come on. Cam Whitmore is clearly NBA talent, despite his obvious flaws and red flags, Cody Williams has a long way to go before getting there. It's easily Cam > Cody at this point. I think Cam should easily get a look from a team in the late lottery to early 20s range, where most picks don't pan out anyway, but probably gets included in a larger consolidation trade.

As players, sure. As prospects? Maybe? Williams is physically underdeveloped and that is a huge problem for his ability to play. But the key thing is 3 years on his rookie contract vs. 2. As I said, Houston may not do that, but no way would I offer a more valuable prospect or anything more than a 2nd rounder to sweeten the pot. He's just not that valuable (nor is Williams).

[Flash4thewin]

That doesn't even make sense for Miami. We have Herro and Wiggins starting, with Robinson, Highsmith, and Jacquez behind them.

And this is Miami. We're not trading a prospect and a pick for another prospect when we could package them for a star.

What star are you thinking will be available for whatever package Miami offers (aside from KD...who I think will have better offers)?

You're telling me that we aren't going to be able to get a star with Ware, JJJ, Jovic, expiring contracts, and 3 first round picks?

Ware is the only asset of actual value if we are being honest. JJJ has regressed beyond belief. Jovic is a restricted free agent looking to get paid. 3 picks in the 20 is meh and that’s typically where we pick, especially if we get a star player. Ware has value, everything else is iffy at best.

[Chi town]

I like Cam as 6th man scorer in a Hugh pace offense. Think he could work with a PG like Giddey. I think he can play D too but he’s so hyper focused on scoring he doesn’t much.

[GatherStepGuru]

Kispert + 2 2nds + later pick swap (2028/2029) for Cam and a 2nd.

Wizards get a young hometown kid to see what he can develop into. HOU gets another shooter on a reasonable contract.

[wemby]

Kispert + 2 2nds + later pick swap (2028/2029) for Cam and a 2nd.

Wizards get a young hometown kid to see what he can develop into. HOU gets another shooter on a reasonable contract.

Is Kispert even a positive at this point? Him + a swap + a single (net) SRP for Cam seems low, he's on a low rookie contract as a former 20th pick so his contract isn't a burden, if this is the kind of offer they get Rockets should just keep him and wait for a better deal to come along.

[K_chile22]

I think Cam likely does get traded this off-season, maybe for very little, he's very talented though often boneheaded but also only 20. He's itching for playing time but it's hard to see where that comes in unless there's a consolidation trade but he'd probably be in any consolidation trade. Rockets may also be in or near the tax next year if they try to keep both Fred and Adams which I think they should, which is why I like the PDX pick and no salary for Cam a decent amount. Keep a tradable asset on the books that doesn't eat into your salary sheet

[cgf]

Deuce McBride?
Dadiet + WSH FRP?

[gswhoops]

To me, cam is a “couple of decent 2nds or a late first” value at this point. He’s explosive, but really inefficient. He doesn’t scream “high end prospect” after 2 years in the league.

Agree with this take. Pros: he's showcased some NBA-level skills, he's super athletic, and still has 2 years left on a cheap rookie deal. Cons: he's an inefficient scorer, not great on D, and doesn't really have a clear position.

Someone in rebuilding mode might throw a couple 2nds or a late/heavily protected/heavily swapped 1st for him to see if they can develop his scoring more, but that's about as good as I think Houston can reasonably expect at this point.

[Xman]

34 points on 19 shots with 8 rebounds tonight. Got minutes because resting guys. But, Lakers were playing their best guys and won.
Still, shows the guy has potential. More than late first potential.
Sheppard hot 14 on 14 shots. The other guy that usually can’t get minutes due to talent overload.

[Sactowndog]

He probably should have been part of a trade to the Kings for Fox. Rockets missed their opportunity.

[LarsV8]

Cam is still a very good prospect, he would be maximized on a team than can give him a high usage role, much like we saw tonight.

Both him and Reed, just dayummm.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/cam-whitmore-stats-as-a-starter

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/reed-sheppard-stats-as-a-starter

He probably should have been part of a trade to the Kings for Fox. Rockets missed their opportunity.

I personally never had any interest in Fox, I don't think he is an impactful player.

[pipfan]

Simple for the Bulls
Whitmore to Chi (into TPE)
Port pick to Hou

Hou saves $ and hopes to get a pick in the teens over the 2026-28 seasons

Bulls roll the dice on a talented kid

[RollingWave]

The general problem is that he's on such a small contract that basically he either has to be traded for a pick or he has to be a throw in to a bigger deal.

In terms of value pick wise, I don't think teams are giving up for than a very late lotto and beyond pick for him, this a car driven off the lot problem, and also it's not like he doesn't have major doubts in his game (consistency, sometimes pretty bad body language, a very big black hole offensively etc.)

If there is actually a bigger deal he seems a pretty logical throw in though, especially since the type of guys Houston is likely trying to trade for almost certainly overlap with him in terms of minutes / roles.

Or Houston can you know, just play him, they probably won't retain all of Tate / Jeff Green / Aaron Holidays of the world you'd think.