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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#241 » by Bulliever2020 » Mon Apr 7, 2025 10:59 pm

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Interesting. I am going to throw out a minor quibble with the graphic though. Miami can still reach the 7th seed hypothetically so I don't know why they left them out there.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#242 » by rosenthall » Tue Apr 8, 2025 1:02 am

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Don’t know how true it is but …


If it is, this is basically waiving the white flag on the #8 seed in order to rest up for the playoffs. If we lose to Cleveland it's highly unlikely that we'll catch Atlanta.

I'm all for it though. Might as well give the whole team time off so everyone has a chance to heal nagging injuries.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#243 » by Chi town » Tue Apr 8, 2025 3:24 am

This is what I have wanted.

I want to see two play in wins on the road. Earn the playoffs.

If not we are still in the lottery. I think we will see someone like Fears or Tre drop to 10 too. High ceiling young piece.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#244 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Apr 8, 2025 5:09 am

rosenthall wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
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Don’t know how true it is but …


If it is, this is basically waiving the white flag on the #8 seed in order to rest up for the playoffs. If we lose to Cleveland it's highly unlikely that we'll catch Atlanta.

I'm all for it though. Might as well give the whole team time off so everyone has a chance to heal nagging injuries.



I was hoping for a Chicago/Boston 7 game series. That would be amazing for the fan base right now.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#245 » by gf2020hotmail » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:54 am

rosenthall wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Read on Twitter


Don’t know how true it is but …


If it is, this is basically waiving the white flag on the #8 seed in order to rest up for the playoffs. If we lose to Cleveland it's highly unlikely that we'll catch Atlanta.

I'm all for it though. Might as well give the whole team time off so everyone has a chance to heal nagging injuries.


I think it's more about protecting the ninth seed/HC in the 9/10 game than giving up on the eight since the Bulls play the Heat on Wednesday on the second night of a back to back. And while it highly unlikely the Bulls catch Atlanta, there's a chance they can catch Orlando.

If the Bulls lose to the Cavaliers as appears likely, they can get to 39 wins by beating the Heat at home in their hardest game left and then beating the Wizards and 76ers. The Bulls actually have the tie breaker against the Magic, so they'd need them to go 1-3, which sounds crazy but they have Hawks/Celtics/Pacers/Hawks, which are all non-tank teams. And in the event the Hawks won their next three games and the Magic lost to the Celtics or Pacers, the Hawks would still have incentive to win on Sunday, leaving four fairly tough games for the Magic.

So root for the Hawks tomorrow.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#246 » by rosenthall » Tue Apr 8, 2025 12:17 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
rosenthall wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Read on Twitter


Don’t know how true it is but …


If it is, this is basically waiving the white flag on the #8 seed in order to rest up for the playoffs. If we lose to Cleveland it's highly unlikely that we'll catch Atlanta.

I'm all for it though. Might as well give the whole team time off so everyone has a chance to heal nagging injuries.



I was hoping for a Chicago/Boston 7 game series. That would be amazing for the fan base right now.


I'm mum on whether or not to make the playoffs, mostly because I don't have a feel for how tightly grouped the draft prospects are in the 10-15 range. Not sure how much we lose by picking at the top or bottom of that range.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#247 » by Ice Man » Tue Apr 8, 2025 12:33 pm

Yeah, obviously. Concede the Cleveland game and win the Heat game, rather than play the guys hard against the Cavs and likely lose both.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#248 » by rosenthall » Tue Apr 8, 2025 1:10 pm

gf2020hotmail wrote:
rosenthall wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
Read on Twitter


Don’t know how true it is but …


If it is, this is basically waiving the white flag on the #8 seed in order to rest up for the playoffs. If we lose to Cleveland it's highly unlikely that we'll catch Atlanta.

I'm all for it though. Might as well give the whole team time off so everyone has a chance to heal nagging injuries.


I think it's more about protecting the ninth seed/HC in the 9/10 game than giving up on the eight since the Bulls play the Heat on Wednesday on the second night of a back to back. And while it highly unlikely the Bulls catch Atlanta, there's a chance they can catch Orlando.

If the Bulls lose to the Cavaliers as appears likely, they can get to 39 wins by beating the Heat at home in their hardest game left and then beating the Wizards and 76ers. The Bulls actually have the tie breaker against the Magic, so they'd need them to go 1-3, which sounds crazy but they have Hawks/Celtics/Pacers/Hawks, which are all non-tank teams. And in the event the Hawks won their next three games and the Magic lost to the Celtics or Pacers, the Hawks would still have incentive to win on Sunday, leaving four fairly tough games for the Magic.

So root for the Hawks tomorrow.


Thanks for pointing out the details about the Magic. I hadn't considered the path to the 8 seed where they drop. And I agree that seems a more likely path than us eclipsing the Hawks, especially if we're sitting most of the team today.

Overall I think health > seeding for playoffs success, so I'm not sure I care that much either way.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#249 » by League Circles » Tue Apr 8, 2025 2:36 pm

At this point, considering if we miss the playoffs we have such a low chance at a top 4 pick, I'd almost rather have us make the playoffs and pick like 16th. Might save us from ourselves and get a better player on a cheaper salary than we might get at like #12. Maybe somebody like Sorber.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#250 » by kodo » Thu Apr 10, 2025 3:43 am

So it looks like we're almost locked to 9th.
We have 2 easy games, almost certainly we'll be 39-43.
Atlanta has 2 easy games, Brooklyn & Philly, then Orlando. Assuming 2-1, they'll be 39-43.
Head to Head, we've split 2-2.

I read at this point it goes to Division, and ATL is 2nd in an easy division while we're in a brutal division and are 5th.

Losing that game to Atlanta when their starting lineup was injured and we were full strength really hurt us. We lost to a team starting Keaton Wallace, Vit Krejci, and David Roddy.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#251 » by ThisGuyFawkes » Thu Apr 10, 2025 4:04 am

kodo wrote:So it looks like we're almost locked to 9th.
We have 2 easy games, almost certainly we'll be 39-43.
Atlanta has 2 easy games, Brooklyn & Philly, then Orlando. Assuming 2-1, they'll be 39-43.
Head to Head, we've split 2-2.

I read at this point it goes to Division, and ATL is 2nd in an easy division while we're in a brutal division and are 5th.

Losing that game to Atlanta when their starting lineup was injured and we were full strength really hurt us. We lost to a team starting Keaton Wallace, Vit Krejci, and David Roddy.


I think we'll be fine. We're playing much better than any of these teams lately. As long as we make the play-ins (which is guaranteed at this point), we have a very good shot at making the legit playoffs. Maybe even winning a game or 2 in the 1st round. Strangely we play well on the road so the seeding doesn't necessarily hurt our odds.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#252 » by jnrjr79 » Thu Apr 10, 2025 1:50 pm

kodo wrote:So it looks like we're almost locked to 9th.
We have 2 easy games, almost certainly we'll be 39-43.
Atlanta has 2 easy games, Brooklyn & Philly, then Orlando. Assuming 2-1, they'll be 39-43.
Head to Head, we've split 2-2.

I read at this point it goes to Division, and ATL is 2nd in an easy division while we're in a brutal division and are 5th.

Losing that game to Atlanta when their starting lineup was injured and we were full strength really hurt us. We lost to a team starting Keaton Wallace, Vit Krejci, and David Roddy.


IIRC, the 2nd tiebreaker is conference record, not division record, but Atlanta has the edge, there, too, so the result is the same.

Basically, the Bulls need to win out and ATL needs to go 1-2 for the Bulls to get up to 8, most likely.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#253 » by rosenthall » Thu Apr 10, 2025 2:27 pm

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kodo wrote:So it looks like we're almost locked to 9th.
We have 2 easy games, almost certainly we'll be 39-43.
Atlanta has 2 easy games, Brooklyn & Philly, then Orlando. Assuming 2-1, they'll be 39-43.
Head to Head, we've split 2-2.

I read at this point it goes to Division, and ATL is 2nd in an easy division while we're in a brutal division and are 5th.

Losing that game to Atlanta when their starting lineup was injured and we were full strength really hurt us. We lost to a team starting Keaton Wallace, Vit Krejci, and David Roddy.


IIRC, the 2nd tiebreaker is conference record, not division record, but Atlanta has the edge, there, too, so the result is the same.

Basically, the Bulls need to win out and ATL needs to go 1-2 for the Bulls to get up to 8, most likely.


Pretty sure it goes division record if they're in the same division, then it goes to conference record.

Conference record will be the tiebreaker between us and Atl if we end up with the same record. We need to pray that Atlanta somehow manages to drop a game against a tanking team to get to the #8 seed.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#254 » by gf2020hotmail » Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:00 am

In the event they can't win two in a row to make the playoffs, the Bulls would do well to lose on Sunday against a 76ers team that is locked into the 5th best lottery odds and thus has no incentive to lose.

That would lock them into at least 12th in the lottery with a chance to tie the Heat to split lottery balls and a coin flip for the 11th position if they don't move up, if the Heat win against a Wizards team very very desperate to lose to stay at least tied with Jazz for worst records.

If the Bulls win unfortunately, they'd be rooting for these team to win

Hawks who will want to lose, playing a Magic team they play two days later with no incentive to lose
Mavericks who will want to win, trying to catch jump the Kings for HCA in the 9/10 game against a Grizzlies team locked into 8.
Kings who will want to win, playing an eliminated Suns team but one that doesn't control their draft pick and who strangely paid Booker and Beal against the Spurs tonight despite being eliminated

Hopefully Patrick Williams doesn't screw us with yet another meaningless game 82 empty calorie stat fest.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#255 » by gf2020hotmail » Sun Apr 13, 2025 7:40 pm

Bulls need the Zombie Mavericks to win in addition to the Kings to maintain the 12th spot by themselves. It's possible because I am not even sure who the Grizzlies bench is with how many people they have out.

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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#256 » by NecessaryEvil » Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:33 pm

I see a win by both teams. Thx for posting that.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#257 » by WesPeace » Sun Apr 13, 2025 8:51 pm

So if we make playoffs,we are picking #16? Regular season score and ranking isnt final draft pick order,but just after play in is finished?
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#258 » by Muzbar » Sun Apr 13, 2025 9:42 pm

WesPeace wrote:So if we make playoffs,we are picking #16? Regular season score and ranking isnt final draft pick order,but just after play in is finished?

15th if team makes the playoffs with 2 play-in wins, 12th if they lose one of those games.

Edit: I didn't see the Mavs, who will now be tied for 12th with the Bulls.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#259 » by Jahensle » Sun Apr 13, 2025 10:16 pm

Muzbar wrote:
WesPeace wrote:So if we make playoffs,we are picking #16? Regular season score and ranking isnt final draft pick order,but just after play in is finished?

15th if team makes the playoffs with 2 play-in wins, 12th if they lose one of those games.

Edit: I didn't see the Mavs, who will now be tied for 12th with the Bulls.



How does this work, are we 13th now? Or is there a coinflip like a few years back.
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Re: Official Bulls Tankathon 2025 Thread 

Post#260 » by kodo » Sun Apr 13, 2025 10:30 pm

Jahensle wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
WesPeace wrote:So if we make playoffs,we are picking #16? Regular season score and ranking isnt final draft pick order,but just after play in is finished?

15th if team makes the playoffs with 2 play-in wins, 12th if they lose one of those games.

Edit: I didn't see the Mavs, who will now be tied for 12th with the Bulls.


How does this work, are we 13th now? Or is there a coinflip like a few years back.


It gets complicated tied teams both get lotto combinations evenly but there could be an extra combination, and you do coin flip for that. If one team would get 60 combinations and the other team gets 40, both teams get 50. If one team gets 60 and the other 41, one team gets 50 the other 51 with a coin flip.

Assuming we lose the play-in and stay 12th.

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