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ShootingtheJ · Post #541 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:30 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:And Adrian Griffin went 30-13 with this roster last season. Check and mate.

Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

ShootingtheJ · Post #542 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:33 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Lol, Vogel won with them.

KD played 16 more games for Vogel. They had a winning record with KD playing, slightly worse rate but I'm not sure how much it matters if the players don't want to be coached.

32-24 when both Booker and KD played.

Vogel went 5-2 without KD.

FrieAaron · Post #543 » by **FrieAaron** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:38 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
KD played 16 more games for Vogel. They had a winning record with KD playing, slightly worse rate but I'm not sure how much it matters if the players don't want to be coached.

32-24 when both Booker and KD played.

Vogel went 5-2 without KD.

OK, so I'm not sure what your overall point is. Did Vogel do a good job and they shouldn't have run him out after a single year? I'm not going to argue with it. The bottom line is this team has been arguably the most disappointing in the entire league under three different coaches.

Ron Swanson · Post #544 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:39 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:And Adrian Griffin went 30-13 with this roster last season. Check and mate.

Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

CharityStripe34 · Post #545 » by **CharityStripe34** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:43 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:And Adrian Griffin went 30-13 with this roster last season. Check and mate.

Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

I'm lazy to use google, I'll guess it was Beasley and Middleton?

MKE_Hodag22 · Post #546 » by **MKE_Hodag22** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:48 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

I'm lazy to use google, I'll guess it was Beasley and Middleton?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=NET_RATING (assuming this is what is being referenced)..
Shai Gilgeos-Alexander + Chet Holmgren

emunney · Post #547 » by **emunney** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:14 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

I'm lazy to use google, I'll guess it was Beasley and Middleton?

Lillard and Giannis

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?SeasonType=Regular+Season&dir=-1&sort=NET_RATING&Season=2023-24&TeamID=1610612749

Neuromancer56 · Post #548 » by **Neuromancer56** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:41 pm

German Athens wrote:While these aren’t exactly traits at the top of the list when trying to find someone to lead a basketball organization, I do think Horst deserves credit for having basically no ego, propping up Giannis any moment he can, and I think being a fairly integral part of what makes the bucks “culture” a good one.

He’s a good dude.

This is the part that irritates me. We hung on to Middleton too long because we wanted to make Giannis happy. The thing is winning makes him happy. Should have sold high on Middleton. Instead, we got Kuzma for him and AJ Johnson.

Ron Swanson · Post #549 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:58 pm

Communication and social skills are pretty underrated and important aspects of being a good GM (something weirdos like Sam Hinkie never understood). But I also would like a little more ruthlessness from a guy whose job it is to make the best basketball decisions in a pretty cutthroat business. I have no clue what happened behind the scenes, but we have an ample track record at this point for Horst that indicates he always seems too willing to meet/cave to another team's price point. There's a middle ground between the self-righteous douche-baggery of the David Griffins/Daryl Moreys, and the affable pushover nature of Horst.

ShootingtheJ · Post #550 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:42 pm

Neuromancer56 wrote:
German Athens wrote:While these aren’t exactly traits at the top of the list when trying to find someone to lead a basketball organization, I do think Horst deserves credit for having basically no ego, propping up Giannis any moment he can, and I think being a fairly integral part of what makes the bucks “culture” a good one.

He’s a good dude.

This is the part that irritates me. We hung on to Middleton too long because we wanted to make Giannis happy. The thing is winning makes him happy. Should have sold high on Middleton. Instead, we got Kuzma for him and AJ Johnson.

There was never a good time to trade Middleton (including now). Don't botch every single other move and it wouldn't matter.

ShootingtheJ · Post #551 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:44 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:And Adrian Griffin went 30-13 with this roster last season. Check and mate.

Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

Giannis is awesome, not surprising at all, and I praise his awesomeness weekly.

ShootingtheJ · Post #552 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:59 pm

Is this it for firings, or will there be more after the playoffs?

Baddy Chuck · Post #553 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:04 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Wow, so you're saying even Griffin is better than Bud? Kind of bold.

I bet your brain would explode if I also told you who the two highest on-court net-rating starters were for us last year.

Giannis is awesome, not surprising at all, and I praise his awesomeness weekly.

Giannis had a negative net rating without Dame that season, even if you gave him Khris.

Dick Tate · Post #554 » by **Dick Tate** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:15 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Is this it for firings, or will there be more after the playoffs?

Haliburton is going to call for Carlisle's head after the 1st round.

Plossum · Post #555 » by **Plossum** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:26 pm

We’re back, baby!

Daver · Post #556 » by **Daver** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:52 pm

Ryan5UW wrote:Damn, I feel bad for Bud. I don't think he'd be my first choice for next season, but I'd rather have him than Doc.

Omg not a chance im taking bud over doc no mattrr how much i dislike doc.I would take that former memphis coach over bud every dsy n twice on sunday.Buds mojo is gone long gone

Daver · Post #557 » by **Daver** » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:55 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I feel bad for Bud too but he knew what he was getting into. They fired Vogel after one season at 49-33.

N vogel had thst team playing alot better thsn bud ever did

Daver · Post #558 » by **Daver** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:04 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:Yea... it was Bud with the giant ego and not Durant, Beal, and Booker.

Lol, Vogel won with them.

Yep m thry were aldo a top 10 D team to.Bud fans will continue to make excuses why he was fired for the 2nd time ....but the 1 coach thst didnt deserve to be fired was vogel

midranger · Post #559 » by **midranger** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:30 am

The league passed Bud by years ago. Appreciate the title. Unrelated,Thank god for PJ Tucker.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #560 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:48 am

fairly hilarious to blame bud for the pheonix woes. thats worse than blaming aaran for the jets..... allen for the bills playoff woes. ugh

bud caught lightning in a bottle for us initially. no doubt. but he also knew giannis. knew the tendencies. knew the challenges. knew what needed to happen to be successful. he should have been his coach until we moved on. thats for sure imo.

was he our sloan and did he have a second run in him after the stockton/malone years? maybe. maybe not. but coaches are like ****. everybody has one. we needed somebody. he would have done