2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion

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2025 DPOY

Amen Thompson
22
15%
Ivica Zubac
8
5%
Jalen Williams
0
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Toumani Camara
13
9%
Lu Dort
10
7%
Jalen Suggs
1
1%
Evan Mobley
40
27%
Jaren Jackson Jr.
10
7%
Dyson Daniels
29
19%
Rudy Gobert
16
11%
 
Total votes: 149

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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#521 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:37 pm

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ReggiesKnicks wrote:The problem with Dyson is his overall defensive impact lags behind any other name in this thread.


He also shares the court with some of the worst defensive personnel in the league and has to do most of the heavy lifting by his lonesome...


So did Alex Caruso last year yet he was Top 3 in Defensive EPM and was really good the past 3 seasons, even including his Chicago Bulls seasons.

His 3-year RAPM defensive rankings the past 5 seasons: 4, 1, 1, 2, 3
Defensive Darko: Ranked 9-35 the past 6 seasons

Daniels is still far below this, and most of these statistics take into account teammates level (to varying degrees) in order to apply impact.

At the end of the day, no matter how you slice it, Daniels is having a historical defensive box-score season while struggling to put a high-end defensive imprint on the basketball court. Great player, but DPOY is an award about best defender, not most steals.

DeAndre Jordan is another player who had incredible Rebounding/Block numbers but was not a good defensive player. He likely is a great paralell for Dyson. DeAndre Jordan finished Top 5 in DPOY voting for 3 consecutive seasons yet was never anything close to resembling a Top 10 defensive player in the NBA, just like Dyson.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#522 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:42 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:DeAndre Jordan is another player who had incredible Rebounding/Block numbers but was not a good defensive player.

He likely is a great paralell for Dyson.

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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#523 » by ReggiesKnicks » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:57 pm

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ReggiesKnicks wrote:DeAndre Jordan is another player who had incredible Rebounding/Block numbers but was not a good defensive player.

He likely is a great paralell for Dyson.

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Dyson Daniels Rankings (2025, 2024, 2023):
2-Year RAPM past 3 seasons: 210, 257, 145
DARKO: 120, 39, 80
LEBRON: X, 43, 71
DEPM: 9th
DBPM: 7th

The two inputs with the most box-score input and least line-up data love Daniels, which tracks with his incredible defensive box-score. Everything we see when accounting for "how does your defense impact winning defensive possessions" isn't exciting.
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Post#525 » by PeteyPablo » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:30 pm

I have one word for you : Ivica Zubac
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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#526 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:36 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Dyson Daniels Rankings (2025, 2024, 2023):
2-Year RAPM past 3 seasons: 210, 257, 145
DARKO: 120, 39, 80
LEBRON: X, 43, 71
DEPM: 9th
DBPM: 7th

The two inputs with the most box-score input and least line-up data love Daniels, which tracks with his incredible defensive box-score. Everything we see when accounting for "how does your defense impact winning defensive possessions" isn't exciting.



I don't know what that mumbo jumbo means. :droop:

Nor do I need to.

Dyson's been the best defender on a terrible defensive team. He'll likely be rewarded with 1st Team All-Defense.

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Post#527 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:44 pm

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Post#528 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 11:07 pm

What the h3ll is Derrick White doing on this list?
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Post#529 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Apr 12, 2025 4:51 am

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Saw that earlier and lol’d myself at it. He’s just that damn good I guess
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Post#530 » by Statlanta » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:49 pm




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Best Rim Protector
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Best Perimeter Helper
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Best Motor
Kris Dunn

Best Point of Attack Defender
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Best Versatile Defender
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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#531 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Apr 12, 2025 1:54 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:What the h3ll is Derrick White doing on this list?
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Is Derrick White secretly the single greatest defender in the NBA?

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Post#532 » by bisme37 » Sun Apr 13, 2025 4:27 pm

We're going to have a million stickied threads for the playoff and play-in matchups by the end of the day, so I am doing some spring cleaning and un-sticking other threads to prepare. This thread will of course remain open and active though, so feel free to still post in it.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion 

Post#533 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Apr 13, 2025 5:36 pm

bisme37 wrote:We're going to have a million stickied threads for the playoff and play-in matchups by the end of the day, so I am doing some spring cleaning and un-sticking other threads to prepare. This thread will of course remain open and active though, so feel free to still post in it.




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