The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[Saberestar]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

These are great news. We would be in a tougher situation with Book playing the long game and waiting a couple years to sign another contract with the Suns.

It is better to have him on a long-term deal because his age, good health and commitment to the team. He will have very good value as a player or as a trade asset.

[BobbieL]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

These are great news. We would be in a tougher situation with Book playing the long game and waiting a couple years to sign another contract with the Suns.

It is better to have him on a long-term deal because his age, good health and commitment to the team. He will have very good value as a player or as a trade asset.

Booker is signed through 2028
this will put him through 2030

By 2028 - this will be Bradley Beal terrible type contract that will be an albatross
there is zero reason to extend him
his value only gets worse this summer on...

Ishbia doesn't want to win.. he just wants to be in the news like Jerry Jones

[Saberestar]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

These are great news. We would be in a tougher situation with Book playing the long game and waiting a couple years to sign another contract with the Suns.

It is better to have him on a long-term deal because his age, good health and commitment to the team. He will have very good value as a player or as a trade asset.

Booker is signed through 2028
this will put him through 2030

By 2028 - this will be Bradley Beal terrible type contract that will be an albatross
there is zero reason to extend him
his value only gets worse this summer on...

Ishbia doesn't want to win.. he just wants to be in the news like Jerry Jones

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

[sunsbg]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

[BobbieL]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

And Mat Ishbia has made two of the worst trades in the NBA in a long time in trading for Durant and Beal. Beal was worse as there was ZERO reason to include pick swaps. When Gambo first reported it as a second round pick - I thought okay. But all of the sudden its like pick swap pick swap, pick swap - for a guy they owed 206m for !!! They should have given the pick swaps and a FRP not the Suns

If this deal goes through - Booker will be on the books for 320/5 years - currently 170 for 3 so adding 150

And for the record, I am not blamin g Booker for getting the cash. Its his right. But it also is probably a big reason he wants to stay in Phoenix, so he can get the bag

Where for me, I don't care about his feelings. The goal should be to win a title.

[Slim Charless]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

We can get Paul George or maybe Joel Embiid for Beal.....now do we wanna do that is an entirely different question.

[BobbieL]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

We can get Paul George or maybe Joel Embiid for Beal.....now do we wanna do that is an entirely different question.

If you are keeping Booker for 5 years - so if that report is true
yes, trade Beal for PG 13 but do not given up picks
and for Durant - well, I just don't know what to get for him

I just don't trust Embiids body at this point -
I do think George would complement Booker better than Durant or Beal

[sunsbg]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

And Mat Ishbia has made two of the worst trades in the NBA in a long time in trading for Durant and Beal. Beal was worse as there was ZERO reason to include pick swaps. When Gambo first reported it as a second round pick - I thought okay. But all of the sudden its like pick swap pick swap, pick swap - for a guy they owed 206m for !!! They should have given the pick swaps and a FRP not the Suns

If this deal goes through - Booker will be on the books for 320/5 years - currently 170 for 3 so adding 150

And for the record, I am not blamin g Booker for getting the cash. Its his right. But it also is probably a big reason he wants to stay in Phoenix, so he can get the bag

Where for me, I don't care about his feelings. The goal should be to win a title.

I said it in a previous post but it's about money with all these guys. It's just some are stupid enough to make it public - Ayton, and not so stupid - Booker. The later also likes being Nr1 on a team though that means mediocrity as he's neither a top 10 player, nor a leader. Since he knows he's not winning anything being Nr1 on another team, why not just get as much money as possible and put record stats for a franchise.

[BobbieL]

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

And Mat Ishbia has made two of the worst trades in the NBA in a long time in trading for Durant and Beal. Beal was worse as there was ZERO reason to include pick swaps. When Gambo first reported it as a second round pick - I thought okay. But all of the sudden its like pick swap pick swap, pick swap - for a guy they owed 206m for !!! They should have given the pick swaps and a FRP not the Suns

If this deal goes through - Booker will be on the books for 320/5 years - currently 170 for 3 so adding 150

And for the record, I am not blamin g Booker for getting the cash. Its his right. But it also is probably a big reason he wants to stay in Phoenix, so he can get the bag

Where for me, I don't care about his feelings. The goal should be to win a title.

I said it in a previous post but it's about money with all these guys. It's just some are stupid enough to make it public - Ayton, and not so stupid - Booker. The later also likes being Nr1 on a team though that means mediocrity as he's neither a top 10 player, nor a leader. Since he knows he's not winning anything being Nr1 on another team, why not just get as much money as possible and put record stats for a franchise.

And again, I don't blame Booker or any player for getting the money. The frustration is the Suns thinking they can build a proper team around Booker - I think they are delusional

But you nailed it with Booker - sure maybe going to Detroit and competing for a title is great. But that is Cade Cunninghams team. So like you said, he wouldn't be "the guy." I have written, it does bring me pause of why Booker doesn't want to be traded and why he is good staying in Phoenix
I think, if true, we have the answer. Which is why I would make the trade!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Saberestar]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

What I am saying is that the difference between Beal's contract and Booker's new contract would be not having a NTC. That's huge. Beal wouldn't be already in our team without his NTC.

And Bobbiel said that the contract would be pretty similar (bad) to Beal's deal with the Wizards but they got a pretty decent return when they traded him so at the end it wasn't a bad deal for the Wizards.

[Sunsdeuce]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.

Bingo. Booker is unserious about winning. For Booker it’s Money/Stats>>>>>> winning.

As long as Booker is on this team, the Suns are unserious about winning.

Booker is evolved into an unlikable player. He has let the fame and money define him now.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

We can get Paul George or maybe Joel Embiid for Beal.....now do we wanna do that is an entirely different question.

If you are keeping Booker for 5 years - so if that report is true
yes, trade Beal for PG 13 but do not given up picks
and for Durant - well, I just don't know what to get for him

I just don't trust Embiids body at this point -
I do think George would complement Booker better than Durant or Beal

This extension is out of Ishbias' fear that Booker would opt to leave in the next two years if we're obviously still not contending (which we obviously won't be).

The writing is/ has been on the wall. Ishbia realizes that we're not going to he good for multiple years to come and is using this extension to incentivize Booker into staying longer.

Booker is a great, fantastic offensive talent and our franchise player. But the concern here should be that he's now been in the league for 10 yrs and hasn't really shown measurably significant improvements/ jumps to the next tier we all hoped for him to reach!

He's only shown brief instances of encouraging moments of dominance. But unfortunately has far more down stretches/ seasons just recently.

So perhaps he's reached his ceiling outcome?? And if that the case, then at nearly 70 million per year salary, how much trade value will he actually carry into his 30s??

[BobbieL]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.

Bingo. Booker is unserious about winning. For Booker it’s Money/Stats>>>>>> winning.

As long as Booker is on this team, the Suns are unserious about winning.

Booker is evolved into an unlikable player. He has let the fame and money define him now.

Thats why for me, I never understood the narrative in media, on this board about Booker and his loyalty to the Suns, liking Phoenix, as a reason to keep him
Its a business. The goal is to win a title.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Booker incoming at $70 million salary soon!

And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.

Bingo. Booker is unserious about winning. For Booker it’s Money/Stats>>>>>> winning.

As long as Booker is on this team, the Suns are unserious about winning.

Booker is evolved into an unlikable player. He has let the fame and money define him now.

Unserious is a bit harsh man! I'd lean more towards " unbothered" myself.....lol. But all joking aside, you're absolutely right. Even though Booker's loyalty and professionalism as a high character representative of our franchise is endearing and admirable,

he's more of a high level complimentary piece than the alpha leader this franchise needs to dominate other teams and set a precedent for us to be taken seriously as a top tier legitimate contender. And we're ultimately just treadmilling through mediocrity in a repetitive cycle of futility as constructed around him!

[sunsbg]

NTC is not here.

And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

What I am saying is that the difference between Beal's contract and Booker's new contract would be not having a NTC. That's huge. Beal wouldn't be already in our team without his NTC.

And Bobbiel said that the contract would be pretty similar (bad) to Beal's deal with the Wizards but they got a pretty decent return when they traded him so at the end it wasn't a bad deal for the Wizards.

Who cares if Beal is not on the team if NTC. Someone will give you their garbage for your garbage. Booker at 30yo and 70M will be negative contract too. Go read unbiased opinions on GB in Booker thread.

[Ghost of Kleine]

And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.

Bingo. Booker is unserious about winning. For Booker it’s Money/Stats>>>>>> winning.

As long as Booker is on this team, the Suns are unserious about winning.

Booker is evolved into an unlikable player. He has let the fame and money define him now.

Thats why for me, I never understood the narrative in media, on this board about Booker and his loyalty to the Suns, liking Phoenix, as a reason to keep him
Its a business. The goal is to win a title.

It's a defeatist mentality, stemming from all the embarrassing beatdowns and front office fiascos that we've endured. It's become rooted in our psyches. You see it in trade discussions wherein too many people downplay our possible outcomes to losing or grossly unfavorable scenarios.

Also with respect to this topic, in settling for diminished competitive outcomes around Booker, KD, etc starting out with championship expectations, and then rationalizing epic failures as acceptable consolidations, etc.

This is why we desperately need an entire culture change and rebuild from the foundation up!

[bwgood77]

Todd Golden

One wildcard for the Suns to consider is Florida Gators head coach Todd Golden, who just won a national championship in the NCAA. Golden had a tremendously successful campaign in the men's college basketball season and could look to build on that by taking the next step to the NBA. Golden is originally from Phoenix, so his connection to Arizona could make him an especially intriguing candidate.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2025/04/14/mike-budenholzer-fired-steve-nash-phoenix-suns-next-head-coach-odds/83082714007/

This could actually be a smart hire imo. Guy is very young (39) but he’s shown he can be a good teacher and leader for a young team which what the Suns will be when they start rebuilding.

Florida is in talks with him on an extension though so Suns would have to move fast if he’s a potential target.

I think it was some guy names ZONA on Twitter but the five names they had

Willie Green
Cassell
Quinn
Dudley
Royal Ivey - with Durant leaving, not sure this one makes sense

I liked those options -- my guys are still Dudley and Cassell

But to me, its the GM job...

It doesn't really matter who the coach is if we try to be competitive. I mean maybe we get 11th instead of 14th or something in the west.

It does really matter if we rebuild though and the Florida guy would be a great hire. Not a fan of any of those other guys.

[bwgood77]

This could actually be a smart hire imo. Guy is very young (39) but he’s shown he can be a good teacher and leader for a young team which what the Suns will be when they start rebuilding.

Florida is in talks with him on an extension though so Suns would have to move fast if he’s a potential target.

I think it was some guy names ZONA on Twitter but the five names they had

Willie Green
Cassell
Quinn
Dudley
Royal Ivey - with Durant leaving, not sure this one makes sense

I liked those options -- my guys are still Dudley and Cassell

But to me, its the GM job...

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So dumb. So Zona, who was just some normal guy who created a website, now acts like an insider and other people are quoting him? So dumb.

[BobbieL]

Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.

What I am saying is that the difference between Beal's contract and Booker's new contract would be not having a NTC. That's huge. Beal wouldn't be already in our team without his NTC.

And Bobbiel said that the contract would be pretty similar (bad) to Beal's deal with the Wizards but they got a pretty decent return when they traded him so at the end it wasn't a bad deal for the Wizards.

Who cares if Beal is not on the team if NTC. Someone will give you their garbage for your garbage. Booker at 30yo and 70M will be negative contract too. Go read unbiased opinions on GB in Booker thread.

Exactly, he will be in his early 30's with two years left on his deal at 149m

Booker this year showed what he was as a player. He is not a leader who lifts his team up. Empty stats. I think like Beal with the Wizards. And how many games did those teams win with just Beal and no Wall - not many
Suns don't have picks and Durant won't get them the picks. Gosh knows what happens with Beal but if Ishbia is smart, he just looks to be as much under the cap in 2027 as possible - so that means Beal, O'Neal and Allen....