Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[fansinceforever]

I'm just thinking how lucky we are to have witnessed:
The number one center (possibly number one over all player)
Top five PG of all time
Top five PF of all time
Top 10 SG of all time

All as Milwaukee Bucks

Oscar-Ray-Giannis-Kareem

Just need to draft an elite SF in my lifetime. Very lucky to experience this as a fan of a small market team. Not to mention the success we have in GB.

Giannis is top 2.

[Profound23]

I'm just thinking how lucky we are to have witnessed:
The number one center (possibly number one over all player)
Top five PG of all time
Top five PF of all time
Top 10 SG of all time

All as Milwaukee Bucks

Oscar-Ray-Giannis-Kareem

Just need to draft an elite SF in my lifetime. Very lucky to experience this as a fan of a small market team. Not to mention the success we have in GB.

Giannis is top 2.

I agree, just trying to be unbiased. Even the biggest Giannis haters can't put him outside of the top five PFs of all-time.

[slos]

One of the very few Lillard trades I could be talked into is for Kyrie + something good (#12, Lively etc). Bucks can afford an injured star for half a season way more than Dallas in the West. Mavs make a perfect candidate IMO to get value from Dame. They are that desperate.

FWIW Kyrie is younger than Dame and has played the Robin successfully with Lebron and Luka. Lillard just struggles too much to become effective as a second option.

[German Athens]

One of the very few Lillard trades I could be talked into is for Kyrie + something good (#12, Lively etc). Bucks can afford an injured star for half a season way more than Dallas in the West. Mavs make a perfect candidate IMO to get value from Dame. They are that desperate.

FWIW Kyrie is younger than Dame and has played the Robin successfully with Lebron and Luka. Lillard just struggles too much to become effective as a second option.

Yeah, I saw on the trade board one of the mavs mods proposed Kyrie, Klay, 13 for Dame.

I then wondered if that could be rolled into something larger.

Mke: Kyrie, Lauri
Dal: Dame
Utah: Bobby, Pat, Klay, 13, ‘31 1st, ‘32 swap

Kyrie
KPJ
Someone
Lauri
Giannis

[German Athens]

Kyrie isn’t a dude I want, but, as always, the talent play is interesting.

I’m guessing if we started hearing rumors, it would become really divisive around here like with those recent Jimmy rumors.

[fansinceforever]

For the people that won't consider trading Dame, how do you envision us improving next season?

If KPJ and Rollins show that they can hang in this series, moving Dame seems to be the obvious choice. It's not like we're setting the world on fire with him here...

Brook, Bobby, GTJ all hang in the balance as well. I understand we 'lucked" (circumstances provided the opportunity" into KPJ. But it's just that... Luck.

[DanoMac]

Yeah, I saw on the trade board one of the mavs mods proposed Kyrie, Klay, 13 for Dame.

I love Dame...but I do that in a heartbeat

[RRyder823]

I'm just thinking how lucky we are to have witnessed:
The number one center (possibly number one over all player)
Top five PG of all time
Top five PF of all time
Top 10 SG of all time

All as Milwaukee Bucks

Oscar-Ray-Giannis-Kareem

Just need to draft an elite SF in my lifetime. Very lucky to experience this as a fan of a small market team. Not to mention the success we have in GB.

Giannis is top 2.

If Duncan is considered a Center best PF ever is a real conversation

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[Ron Swanson]

For the people that won't consider trading Dame, how do you envision us improving next season?

If KPJ and Rollins show that they can hang in this series, moving Dame seems to be the obvious choice. It's not like we're setting the world on fire with him here...

Brook, Bobby, GTJ all hang in the balance as well. I understand we 'lucked" (circumstances provided the opportunity" into KPJ. But it's just that... Luck.

This all seems completely antithetical though and I kinda touched on it in the leadup thread. If Porter is this massive revelation and as good as we all hope/believe he is, then that entirely answers your first question. He's a theoretical two-way player and shot creator that can play either guard spot, and a guard rotation of Dame, KPJ, Rollins, and Green checks all the boxes we could ask for from a shooting/play-making/defense standpoint given our limited resources to improve.

You're relying just as much on "luck" trading Dame for a younger, less established player that you only hope has a development leap in them still. Seems like it's a much easier proposition to find an above average starting SF using Kuzma and one of the future picks/swaps we'll have available. And that's not even getting into how much better we get just by replacing Doc with a coach who isn't a basketball dinosaur.

[BroncoBuck]

I keep seeing full MLE thrown around for Porter, but with his background I’d be pretty shocked if he commanded that.

[German Athens]

I keep seeing full MLE thrown around for Porter, but with his background I’d be pretty shocked if he commanded that.

Even better. Split the MLE between KPJ and Rollins, and use the BAE on some other dude.

[Matches Malone]

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[CharityStripe34]

Kyrie is very good but also made of glass.

[German Athens]

Hell yeah. Now we just need Doc to trust what he saw and be willing to play him.

[fansinceforever]

For the people that won't consider trading Dame, how do you envision us improving next season?

If KPJ and Rollins show that they can hang in this series, moving Dame seems to be the obvious choice. It's not like we're setting the world on fire with him here...

Brook, Bobby, GTJ all hang in the balance as well. I understand we 'lucked" (circumstances provided the opportunity" into KPJ. But it's just that... Luck.

This all seems completely antithetical though and I kinda touched on it in the leadup thread. If Porter is this massive revelation and as good as we all hope/believe he is, then that entirely answers your first question. He's a theoretical two-way player and shot creator that can play either guard spot, and a guard rotation of Dame, KPJ, Rollins, and Green checks all the boxes we could ask for from a shooting/play-making/defense standpoint given our limited resources to improve.

You're relying just as much on "luck" trading Dame for a younger, less established player that you only hope has a development leap in them still. Seems like it's a much easier proposition to find an above average starting SF using Kuzma and one of the future picks/swaps we'll have available. And that's not even getting into how much better we get just by replacing Doc with a coach who isn't a basketball dinosaur.

I get it but we've had those guys all year. Is KPJ as effective in an off ball, 2 Guard role? I don't think it's a coincidence that his ascension has coincided with more minutes and being the primary ball handler.

If you trade Dame and Kuzma and one of the future picks/swaps, you can probably upgrade multiple positions of need. Honestly, I'm willing to bet we're good at PG. These guys are going to show that they belong out there.

How do we replace/retain Brook, Bobby, GTJ (And Kuz bc he's awful)?

Also, no chance KPJ is a cheap player bc of his history. We've heard nothing about it. Especially after the way he's played and a solid to very good playoff run. Somebody will want a 25 year old with that type of talent and they'll pay the full MLE to get him. He's got one of the most sought after talents in the league.

[jschligs]

Is anyone else reallllly ****ing annoyed they haven't released the schedule out past the first game? I'm trying to surprise my dad with tickets but I'm not going to blindly buy game 3 or 4 until I know the dates and times...seriously pissing me off.

[Ron Swanson]

Dame and KPJ have played a grand total of 58-minutes together. I absolutely do not understand this notion that we need to free up all the perimeter shot creation usage for Kevin Porter Jr or that somehow having multiple play-makers/scorers in the backcourt is a bad thing. Cleveland doesn't have a problem with Mitchell and Garland, and hell, Dame didn't even have a problem with this when he played next to McCollum for a decade. Just imagine what having an additional 3-level scorer/play-maker at SG for the first time since 2019 Malcolm Brogdon could unlock for this roster.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dame and KPJ have played a grand total of 58-minutes together. I absolutely do not understand this notion that we need to free up all the perimeter shot creation usage for Kevin Porter Jr or that somehow having multiple play-makers/scorers in the backcourt is a bad thing. Cleveland doesn't have a problem with Mitchell and Garland, and hell, Dame didn't even have a problem with this when he played next to McCollum for a decade. Just imagine what having an additional 3-level scorer/play-maker at SG for the first time since 2019 Malcolm Brogdon could unlock for this roster.

I think the idea is to have a better defensive group. Dame and CJ was a pretty sad defensive pairing.

It also gets us out from needing to extend Dame, and paying a bloated contract for a regressing player.

We desperately need a viable SF.

[ShootingtheJ]

I keep seeing full MLE thrown around for Porter, but with his background I’d be pretty shocked if he commanded that.

Even better. Split the MLE between KPJ and Rollins, and use the BAE on some other dude.

This is more realistic. Historically i don’t see many players go from the minimum, to dumped in trade, to a massive raise.

[fansinceforever]

Dame and KPJ have played a grand total of 58-minutes together. I absolutely do not understand this notion that we need to free up all the perimeter shot creation usage for Kevin Porter Jr or that somehow having multiple play-makers/scorers in the backcourt is a bad thing. Cleveland doesn't have a problem with Mitchell and Garland, and hell, Dame didn't even have a problem with this when he played next to McCollum for a decade. Just imagine what having an additional 3-level scorer/play-maker at SG for the first time since 2019 Malcolm Brogdon could unlock for this roster.

I think the idea is to have a better defensive group. Dame and CJ was a pretty sad defensive pairing.

It also gets us out from needing to extend Dame, and paying a bloated contract for a regressing player.

We desperately need a viable SF.

Exactly and it's about shoring up the positions where we actually need help. Like, most of them.

Stop comparing us to Cleveland.. we're not on their level In any way without mentioning the name Giannis.