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sunskerr wrote:We are actually in a worse position than the Mavericks all things considered. Idk how that's possible, but it's true.
dremill24 wrote:Been workshopping KD trades, nothing really vaults you into contention obviously but maybe you can get some B-level building blocks. Im not too concerned with magically making the team 10x better with a KD deal, I dont think thats on the table. Im trying to get something that can be part of a decent team in a couple years. I've been obsessed with a Jabari Smith Jr/Kel'el Ware combo and its obviously a little optimistic but I dont think its totally out of the question.
Miami sends Robinson, Rozier, Ware, #11 for KD
One good but not great prospect and one good but not great pick seems like a reasonabe KD price. Hes old and not worth a giant package but hes still a monster scorer for a team that struggles to put the ball in the hole and could net a good but not exceptional package like this. Maybe its a bit rich and they only do Ware OR #11, but I dont think its that crazy. Not the direction I'd personally take for MIA but certainly seems in line with their mindset. As always, more maneuvering would follow.
Phoenix sends KD for Robinson, Rozier, Ware, Smith Jr
I just like the idea of taking a gamble on some big, versatile, athletic frontcourt players to be entrenched and playable in real games by about 2027. Ware could be a very good drop big with lots of offensive potential inside and out, just is far from a sure thing. Smith Jr has lower upside but is already an impact defender inside/out who can spread the floor. Would be cool to siphon off Robinson or Rozier to a team with space to cut salary but it might take attaching a 1st to do so, which may be worth it if being under the 2nd apron opens up something worth it. If Houston would take either Robinson or maybe Allen, they'd drop a good chunk of money and be below the 2nd apron with declining Micic/Martin. More maneuvering would obviously follow.
Houston sends Smith Jr for #11
Projecting a bit to a fairly specific but not unheard of thought process...Smith Jr could end up being an odd man out. They would probly prefer to package him for a star but they seem like they're being picky about which one (as they should). But with Thompson and Eason in tow while Smith Jr's minutes have been up/down and is up for a contract extension this summer, its plausible they want to kick the can to restart the contract timeline with a lottery rookie on a cheaper 4yr deal. Would also give them 2 lotto picks to potentially move up or something like that, might even need something already lined up to make the deal. I also think they could be into taking Robinson on his 1yr deal to get some shooting, they'd just have to add Landale to PHX. Could be they're just still higher on him than this, but contract negotiations will clarify it one way or the other.
BobbieL wrote:Revived wrote:
And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.
Thats always been my theory. He is $55m now - what will he care how the team does making $70m per year.
This is just the downfall of the team - right here.
BobbieL wrote:sunsbg wrote:Saberestar wrote:NTC is not here.
And if you think about it the Wizards got decent return from Beal.
Beal is untradable even with no NTC and there are not many idiot owners like Ishbia. Your logic is so flawed.
And Mat Ishbia has made two of the worst trades in the NBA in a long time in trading for Durant and Beal. Beal was worse as there was ZERO reason to include pick swaps. When Gambo first reported it as a second round pick - I thought okay. But all of the sudden its like pick swap pick swap, pick swap - for a guy they owed 206m for !!! They should have given the pick swaps and a FRP not the Suns
If this deal goes through - Booker will be on the books for 320/5 years - currently 170 for 3 so adding 150
And for the record, I am not blamin g Booker for getting the cash. Its his right. But it also is probably a big reason he wants to stay in Phoenix, so he can get the bag
Where for me, I don't care about his feelings. The goal should be to win a title.
bwgood77 wrote:BobbieL wrote:Revived wrote:And that’s the real reason Booker wants to stay in Phoenix. He can get the most $$ here.
Thats always been my theory. He is $55m now - what will he care how the team does making $70m per year.
This is just the downfall of the team - right here.
He will get that contract and then ask out as soon as possible. But won't have as much value due to his terrible contract.
Qwigglez wrote:If Book really wants to stay and build a championship contender, he signs an extension worth $10 million per year so Suns can grab better players to put around him. Up the price of his shoes to make up the difference.
garrick wrote:Saberestar wrote:garrick wrote:
He's just not consistent at all in how he powers his shot which is why he's so damn streaky with the ball some shots barely touch rim and others are far too long.
The free throw issue is something that will come back to bite him for sure if he doesn't want to continually be the victim of hack a Shaq the rest of his career.
19/39 FTs in the season.
He is a low usage wing player so his low FT's percentage is not a big deal compared to Cs who usually have to finish around the rim with traffic or perimeter players with high usage.
Obviously he needs to improve there, but it's not a big red flag at all.
He also shot a poor percentage in college so that's not very promising.
If you just look at him shoot free throws his touch is just wildly inconsistent I have little faith he will become a very good FT shooter, if he can become just a below average FS shooter I'll consider it a win.
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Qwigglez wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Well Minnesota really f'd up here. Should have kept KAT around and then the framework of a deal could have been had. With what the Wolves have now, a trade would have to be McDaniels, Reid, and Divincenzo.
Qwigglez wrote:I would trade a future pick to trade Beal back to the Wizards for Jordan Poole and Marcus Smart.
bwgood77 wrote:Can we trade Evan Sidery to the Timberwolves too?
I think we could get a pretty good deal from them, but if we are saying we are working with him, I don't know if I see him wanting to go there. I could see him being good with Miami, Dallas and maybe Houston.
Puff wrote:It is easy to blame KD and Book for all of our problems. While they certainly should be considered part of the problem, it is a team game, and it takes more than two players to win a championship. The management team created this mess not them. The management team traded to them and agreed to pay them. The blame lies directly on Ishbia. I put a lot of the blame on Josh Bartelstein as well. Bartelstein was captain of the Michigan team that won the National Championship in 2013 that included Matt. Below is a timeline for the moves the helped create this mess.
2/9/23 - Traded for KD - Josh Bartelstein was not here yet but I expect that Ish and Josh were in communication.
4/10/23 - Josh Bartelstein was hired as CEO of both the Mercury and Suns - both were riding high prior to him being hired - both are currently in the toilet. James Jones was President of the Suns Basketball operations - I assume reporting to both Josh and Matt.
5/13/23 - Fired Monty Williams who had a 45/37 record while beating the Clippers in the first round and losing in the 2nd round to the eventual champion Denver Nuggets4/2.
7/6/23 - Made trade to Bradley Beal. Bartelson's dad was Beal's agent. ALL IN THE FAMILY. Just a guess.
7/6/23 - Booker supermax extension
4/15/24 - Allen Extension
7/6/24 - O'Neale Extension
Rather than blaming Booker & KD for all of our problems. It is obvious who deserves most of the Blame. The management team that Ish put in place. They are the ones that made the trades and handed out the contracts and of course Matt signed off on all of this.
bwgood77 wrote:Can we trade Evan Sidery to the Timberwolves too?
I think we could get a pretty good deal from them, but if we are saying we are working with him, I don't know if I see him wanting to go there. I could see him being good with Miami, Dallas and maybe Houston.