B.Beal

[tester551]

If the player is released before September 1, their current season can be stretched. If a player is released after September 1, the current season is paid out normally, and only the remaining seasons are stretched. For this reason, players on expiring deals can not be stretched after September 1.

The seasons to be stretched are stretched for twice their pre-stretched length plus one additional season. For example, a contract with two stretchable seasons remaining on it would be stretched for five seasons (eg; 2 x 2 = 4, 4 + 1 = 5), while a contract with one stretchable season remaining on it would be stretched for three (eg; 1 x 2 = 2, 2 + 1 = 3) .

Perhaps Sidery’s math is flawed, but the concept/process seems valid.


And then there is this…..

Here are a few more rules related to the stretch provision:

Although the stretch provision regulates when money is paid out, it doesn’t prevent teams and players from negotiating a reduced salary as part of a buyout.
Non-guaranteed money isn’t subject to the stretch provision, since a team isn’t obligated to pay any non-guaranteed portion of a contract once it waives a player.
While the new payment schedule for a waived player is non-negotiable, teams have the option of whether or not to apply the stretch provision to that player’s cap charges as well. A team can stick to the original schedule for cap-hit purposes, if it so chooses.

Does this mean the Suns could take the full hit on capspace for yr 2… though not sure of the strategy to do so, other than to save maximum space in 27-28?

No surprises teams have hired ‘ CBA experts’. The info never seems to be 100% clear to me. Too many experts may be.

I believe so.

If Phoenix can agree to a buy out -> say Beal gives up ~$12M per season (MLE amount). If this is agreed to, it can be done between now and when contracts are guaranteed... although Beal would be more likely to agree to this buyout amount if he is able to hit the FA market in July.

So assume Beal is cut July 1 2025. The cap hits would be:
25-26: $41.6M
26-27: $43.1M

Later on in the season (say April 2026), I believe Phoenix would still have the option to use the 'delayed stretch' provision on the remaining cap hit. Utilizing that, the remaining cap hits would become:
26-27: $14.4 million
27-28: $14.4 million
28-29: $14.4 million

[Scoot McGroot]

If the player is released before September 1, their current season can be stretched. If a player is released after September 1, the current season is paid out normally, and only the remaining seasons are stretched. For this reason, players on expiring deals can not be stretched after September 1.

The seasons to be stretched are stretched for twice their pre-stretched length plus one additional season. For example, a contract with two stretchable seasons remaining on it would be stretched for five seasons (eg; 2 x 2 = 4, 4 + 1 = 5), while a contract with one stretchable season remaining on it would be stretched for three (eg; 1 x 2 = 2, 2 + 1 = 3) .

Perhaps Sidery’s math is flawed, but the concept/process seems valid.

Sidery has it flipped, where he applies the buyout only to one year, and not all remaining years. The stretching the 2nd year and not the first is valid now, but the amounts he’s listing as stretching is not.

And then there is this…..

Here are a few more rules related to the stretch provision:

Although the stretch provision regulates when money is paid out, it doesn’t prevent teams and players from negotiating a reduced salary as part of a buyout.
Non-guaranteed money isn’t subject to the stretch provision, since a team isn’t obligated to pay any non-guaranteed portion of a contract once it waives a player.
While the new payment schedule for a waived player is non-negotiable, teams have the option of whether or not to apply the stretch provision to that player’s cap charges as well. A team can stick to the original schedule for cap-hit purposes, if it so chooses.

Does this mean the Suns could take the full hit on capspace for yr 2… though not sure of the strategy to do so, other than to save maximum space in 27-28?

They could take a full cap hit on year 2 if they don’t stretch any of the contract (as in, they just take the $53m cap hit this year and $57m cap hit the next year and then be done with nothing stretched).

Phoenix can either stretch the entirety of the contract, or they can take this years cap hit, and then stretch the 2026-27 season cap hit over 3 seasons. But, any amount that Beal gives back in a buyout will be proportionally and evenly distributed amongst all remaining years of the contract. After that, then Phoenix can decide when to stretch (immediately and over 5 seasons, after the next season, so the 26-27 season stretched over 3 seasons, or none at all). Once stretched, the contract is stretched. They can’t then unstrwtch the remaining to centralize the cap hit in a future year.

No surprises teams have hired ‘ CBA experts’. The info never seems to be 100% clear to me. Too many experts may be.

Yup. It’s an awful lot. But we’ve seen many of these cases already, so we can take knowledge from past history.

[zimpy27]

If the player is released before September 1, their current season can be stretched. If a player is released after September 1, the current season is paid out normally, and only the remaining seasons are stretched. For this reason, players on expiring deals can not be stretched after September 1.

The seasons to be stretched are stretched for twice their pre-stretched length plus one additional season. For example, a contract with two stretchable seasons remaining on it would be stretched for five seasons (eg; 2 x 2 = 4, 4 + 1 = 5), while a contract with one stretchable season remaining on it would be stretched for three (eg; 1 x 2 = 2, 2 + 1 = 3) .

Perhaps Sidery’s math is flawed, but the concept/process seems valid.

Sidery has it flipped, where he applies the buyout only to one year, and not all remaining years. The stretching the 2nd year and not the first is valid now, but the amounts he’s listing as stretching is not.

And then there is this…..

Here are a few more rules related to the stretch provision:

Although the stretch provision regulates when money is paid out, it doesn’t prevent teams and players from negotiating a reduced salary as part of a buyout.
Non-guaranteed money isn’t subject to the stretch provision, since a team isn’t obligated to pay any non-guaranteed portion of a contract once it waives a player.
While the new payment schedule for a waived player is non-negotiable, teams have the option of whether or not to apply the stretch provision to that player’s cap charges as well. A team can stick to the original schedule for cap-hit purposes, if it so chooses.

Does this mean the Suns could take the full hit on capspace for yr 2… though not sure of the strategy to do so, other than to save maximum space in 27-28?

They could take a full cap hit on year 2 if they don’t stretch any of the contract (as in, they just take the $53m cap hit this year and $57m cap hit the next year and then be done with nothing stretched).

Phoenix can either stretch the entirety of the contract, or they can take this years cap hit, and then stretch the 2026-27 season cap hit over 3 seasons. But, any amount that Beal gives back in a buyout will be proportionally and evenly distributed amongst all remaining years of the contract. After that, then Phoenix can decide when to stretch (immediately and over 5 seasons, after the next season, so the 26-27 season stretched over 3 seasons, or none at all). Once stretched, the contract is stretched. They can’t then unstrwtch the remaining to centralize the cap hit in a future year.

No surprises teams have hired ‘ CBA experts’. The info never seems to be 100% clear to me. Too many experts may be.

Yup. It’s an awful lot. But we’ve seen many of these cases already, so we can take knowledge from past history.

So they can waive $50m next season and there is no 15% rule?

15% rule only for stretching?

[Scoot McGroot]

Perhaps Sidery’s math is flawed, but the concept/process seems valid.

Sidery has it flipped, where he applies the buyout only to one year, and not all remaining years. The stretching the 2nd year and not the first is valid now, but the amounts he’s listing as stretching is not.

And then there is this…..



Does this mean the Suns could take the full hit on capspace for yr 2… though not sure of the strategy to do so, other than to save maximum space in 27-28?

They could take a full cap hit on year 2 if they don’t stretch any of the contract (as in, they just take the $53m cap hit this year and $57m cap hit the next year and then be done with nothing stretched).

Phoenix can either stretch the entirety of the contract, or they can take this years cap hit, and then stretch the 2026-27 season cap hit over 3 seasons. But, any amount that Beal gives back in a buyout will be proportionally and evenly distributed amongst all remaining years of the contract. After that, then Phoenix can decide when to stretch (immediately and over 5 seasons, after the next season, so the 26-27 season stretched over 3 seasons, or none at all). Once stretched, the contract is stretched. They can’t then unstrwtch the remaining to centralize the cap hit in a future year.

No surprises teams have hired ‘ CBA experts’. The info never seems to be 100% clear to me. Too many experts may be.

Yup. It’s an awful lot. But we’ve seen many of these cases already, so we can take knowledge from past history.

So they can waive $50m next season and there is no 15% rule?

15% rule only for stretching?

They can waive as much salary as they wish. They can have no more than 15% of the salary cap stretched in any year.

In this case, a 10% rise in the salary cap gives them just enough leeway to stretch the final year, if they wished, so long as they don’t stretch anyone else this offseason.

[Hook_Em]

Stretching him would be worse than the trade itself. In fact just waiving him would be better than stretching because they could be under the apron by 26’.