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unowen85 wrote:Don’t know if posted here yet but saw video on Reddit where Wade was giving Bam praise for leadership during ten game losing streak. Made sure our team didn’t let go of the rope. Wade also said Tyler is our best player, but Bam is the leader.
greg4012 wrote:Beenie wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:The biggest FU to Butler is trading for Durant and giving him that extension. It’s going to be glorious
Poetic
Another layer would be if KD (who has had devastating injuries in his career) were to sustain a major injury at some point after signing the extension, and Butler just basically goes on to play the same amount of games over the next couple of seasons that he always does.
If Mia were to pursue this route, it would demonstrate a logical contradiction on the part of the FO and that they aren't principled with their strategical approach.
Or that they believe the superior player is the superior player.
Sentimentality is a strong force tho
insfo wrote:BadMofoPimp wrote:Game over, Magic lose . . .
A bit confused, isn't their game tomorrow?
lastb1ckman wrote:Shewasfly wrote:jbsays wrote:All of KDs issues (age, injury, salary) are exactly why he might be a realistic option for the Heat. Nobody is going to give up potentially young Allstars for a 37 year old who could fall off a cliff at any time.
You could give up Bam for Giannis, but how much better are you going to be at that point? Giannis with the Bucks roster didn't get you homecourt this year. You swap Bam with Giannis and the Heat roster is no better than the Bucks. You swap Bam AND Herro for Giannis and it's not even close. Only reason an All NBA caliber player who is going to get paid by anyone would want to come to the Heat would be to play WITH Bam and Herro.
You absolutely give up Bam for Giannis if you can. Let's not act like the gap between the two of those players isn't big as a hell. And that's no slight to Bam, but it's not close. If we could give Bam, picks, and filler for Giannis it would have already happened. Also coaching matters. Spo has dragged a **** of a cast to the playoffs every year for the past 5, and took us to the finals twice. We would absolutely be better just getting him alone.
But the Bucks would be insane to make the trade, which is why it won't happen.
Giannis is worth much more than Bam, but I think you really have to question what the team will be like if you trade Bam and other pieces for Giannis. Can 30 year old Giannis be the sole big on our roster and the Heat still be a contender? Big trades without roster consideration is how you get the Suns.
Beenie wrote:greg4012 wrote:Beenie wrote:
Poetic
Another layer would be if KD (who has had devastating injuries in his career) were to sustain a major injury at some point after signing the extension, and Butler just basically goes on to play the same amount of games over the next couple of seasons that he always does.
If Mia were to pursue this route, it would demonstrate a logical contradiction on the part of the FO and that they aren't principled with their strategical approach.
Or that they believe the superior player is the superior player.
Sentimentality is a strong force tho
Well the then age and availability reason is BS if that's the case.
unowen85 wrote:Don’t know if posted here yet but saw video on Reddit where Wade was giving Bam praise for leadership during ten game losing streak. Made sure our team didn’t let go of the rope. Wade also said Tyler is our best player, but Bam is the leader.
marson wrote:unowen85 wrote:Don’t know if posted here yet but saw video on Reddit where Wade was giving Bam praise for leadership during ten game losing streak. Made sure our team didn’t let go of the rope. Wade also said Tyler is our best player, but Bam is the leader.
greg4012 wrote:Beenie wrote:greg4012 wrote:
Or that they believe the superior player is the superior player.
Sentimentality is a strong force tho
Well the then age and availability reason is BS if that's the case.
Life would be much easier if you could just lump everything into binary categories, huh?
Beenie wrote:
How bout just admitting that there is indeed a contradiction and a double standard.
Wasnt willing to pay their best player because of age, unavailability and yet would hypothetically be willing to pay Durant even though he's even older and less available on average over the last 5 seasons.
Kobewade11 wrote:Beenie wrote:
How bout just admitting that there is indeed a contradiction and a double standard.
Wasnt willing to pay their best player because of age, unavailability and yet would hypothetically be willing to pay Durant even though he's even older and less available on average over the last 5 seasons.
It's believed the team was open to discussing an extension with Jimmy pending his availability for the 24-25 season, there's nothing unreasonable about that. For context, this is coming off two seasons where he was available for 64 and 60 games. KD has played 75 and 62 games the last two years, didn't quit on his team no matter how bad they were, is nowhere near the headache to deal with for team personnel, and is a far superior offensive player. It isn't a contradiction, its apples and oranges.
A few extra points per game wouldnt move the needle. I think that if Jimmy was the same caliber talent KD is he would have gotten the brinks truck.Beenie wrote:
For context, sample size I provided dates back to when Jimmy joined the organization and within that period of time, he's been more available on average than Durant has.
The quitting on team point happened after it was already understood that Jimmy wasnt gonna be getting a max extension this season so its a moot point.
The far superior offensive player point is valid, certainly in the regular season, but, in the playoffs, when it matters most, the gap closed significantly in some of the years that Jimmy has been with this team.
Do we think that if Jimmy averaged 2 or 3 more points in the playoffs the FO would of then agreed to the max extension?
