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Post#41 » by ishoy123 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:20 pm

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Post#43 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:27 pm

I just don't have a good feeling about how the current investment level in roster meshes with best talent available. Like, if the top level prospects are lets say 2 bigs and 8 guards and wings -I don't think they want to worry about moving RJ, Walker or Dick, and the guy they should be trying to keep with Scottie and Ingram is Obaji. imo. Not to mention we already gave mitchell away, and invested too early, imo into Quickly.
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Post#44 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:28 pm

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All or some of KD, Giannis, Trae, Zion, Ball, Sabonis, Ja could be available this summer who he could be talking about multiple people.
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Post#45 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:29 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The last 3 Raptors 1st rounders were Barnes, Dick and JKW. Three very different players. It's impossible to know with certainty who they will go for.

And yet...all 3 produced at high enough levels in their draft years to end up on the Masai-type FRP query.

I'm 3/3 since creating the query (you left out Mogbo at pick 31 which I considered to be a pseudo-FRP), but the creation of the query is even more important than my track record. When I created it I was 0/0 with no track record yet, but the creation was aided by the pre-existing dataset of every single FRP selection Masai has made since the Bruno mistake in 2014 (including Koloko at pick 33 which I considered another pseudo-FRP).

So while 3/3 seems like a short sample size track record, all of the others have been on the list since I created it in 2023, retroactively. Delon, Pascal, Poeltl, OG, Malachi, Scottie, Koloko. All 7 of them.
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Post#46 » by Duffman100 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:30 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:The last 3 Raptors 1st rounders were Barnes, Dick and JKW. Three very different players. It's impossible to know with certainty who they will go for.

And yet...all 3 produced at high enough levels in their draft years to end up on the Masai-type FRP query.

I'm 3/3 since creating the query (you left out Mogbo at pick 31 which I considered to be a pseudo-FRP), but the creation of the query is even more important than my track record. When I created it I was 0/0 with no track record yet, but the creation was aided by the pre-existing dataset of every single FRP selection Masai has made since the Bruno mistake in 2014 (including Mogbo at pick 31 and Koloko at pick 33 as very early SRPs).

So while 3/3 seems like a short sample size track record, all of the others have been on the list since I created it in 2023, retroactively. Delon, Pascal, Poeltl, OG, Malachi, Scottie, Koloko. All 7 of them.


who's on your query this year?
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Post#47 » by brwnman » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:31 pm

It's unlikely but I hope there's a way to get out of IQ's contract this summer. Some rumors floating around moving RJ with Ingram's arrival, but I think moving IQ should be a priority. He's overpaid and quite frankly, not very good. His fit with Barnes is overrated, and he's much better suited for a 6th man role.
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Post#48 » by OakleyDokely » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:32 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The last 3 Raptors 1st rounders were Barnes, Dick and JKW. Three very different players. It's impossible to know with certainty who they will go for.

And yet...all 3 produced at high enough levels in their draft years to end up on the Masai-type FRP query.

I'm 3/3 since creating the query (you left out Mogbo at pick 31 which I considered to be a pseudo-FRP), but the creation of the query is even more important than my track record. When I created it I was 0/0 with no track record yet, but the creation was aided by the pre-existing dataset of every single FRP selection Masai has made since the Bruno mistake in 2014 (including Mogbo at pick 31 and Koloko at pick 33 as very early SRPs).

So while 3/3 seems like a short sample size track record, all of the others have been on the list since I created it in 2023, retroactively. Delon, Pascal, Poeltl, OG, Malachi, Scottie, Koloko. All 7 of them.
I think the common themes are productive from a statistical standpoint, plus size for their position and provide versatility offensively and/or defensively.
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Re: Masai Presser Live @ 11am 

Post#49 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:32 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The last 3 Raptors 1st rounders were Barnes, Dick and JKW. Three very different players. It's impossible to know with certainty who they will go for.

And yet...all 3 produced at high enough levels in their draft years to end up on the Masai-type FRP query.

I'm 3/3 since creating the query (you left out Mogbo at pick 31 which I considered to be a pseudo-FRP), but the creation of the query is even more important than my track record. When I created it I was 0/0 with no track record yet, but the creation was aided by the pre-existing dataset of every single FRP selection Masai has made since the Bruno mistake in 2014 (including Mogbo at pick 31 and Koloko at pick 33 as very early SRPs).

So while 3/3 seems like a short sample size track record, all of the others have been on the list since I created it in 2023, retroactively. Delon, Pascal, Poeltl, OG, Malachi, Scottie, Koloko. All 7 of them.


who's on your query this year?

It's pretty much locked in post-March Madness other than 2 guys (depending on their combine measurements):

Flagg

Harper

Edgecombe

Jakucionis
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CMB
Jase Richardson
Asa Newell

maybe Fears
maybe Knueppel

Fears and Knueppel are in the bottom tier for now as maybes because if they measure out to have a negative wingspan to height ratio, that is basically the biggest red flag a prospect can have from a Masai-type POV. Conflicting reports/rumours are the reason why I'm currently unsure, but combine measurements will settle it.
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Post#50 » by Duffman100 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:35 pm

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Duffman100 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:And yet...all 3 produced at high enough levels in their draft years to end up on the Masai-type FRP query.

I'm 3/3 since creating the query (you left out Mogbo at pick 31 which I considered to be a pseudo-FRP), but the creation of the query is even more important than my track record. When I created it I was 0/0 with no track record yet, but the creation was aided by the pre-existing dataset of every single FRP selection Masai has made since the Bruno mistake in 2014 (including Mogbo at pick 31 and Koloko at pick 33 as very early SRPs).

So while 3/3 seems like a short sample size track record, all of the others have been on the list since I created it in 2023, retroactively. Delon, Pascal, Poeltl, OG, Malachi, Scottie, Koloko. All 7 of them.


who's on your query this year?

It's pretty much locked in post-March Madness other than 2 guys (depending on their combine measurements):

Flagg

Harper

Edgecombe

Jakucionis
Queen

CMB
Jase Richardson
Asa Newell

maybe Fears
maybe Knueppel

Fears and Knueppel are in the bottom tier for now as maybes because if they measure out to have a negative wingspan to height ratio, that is basically the biggest red flag a prospect can have from a Masai-type POV. Conflicting reports/rumours are the reason why I'm currently unsure, but combine measurements will settle it.


Yeah I've been pumping CMB as a classic Masai guy. I just dont' see Maluach as the slam dunk every mock.

Jase is interesting too, his measurements are going to dictate a lot of what happens.
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Re: Masai Presser Live @ 11am 

Post#51 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:40 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
who's on your query this year?

It's pretty much locked in post-March Madness other than 2 guys (depending on their combine measurements):

Flagg

Harper

Edgecombe

Jakucionis
Queen

CMB
Jase Richardson
Asa Newell

maybe Fears
maybe Knueppel

Fears and Knueppel are in the bottom tier for now as maybes because if they measure out to have a negative wingspan to height ratio, that is basically the biggest red flag a prospect can have from a Masai-type POV. Conflicting reports/rumours are the reason why I'm currently unsure, but combine measurements will settle it.


Yeah I've been pumping CMB as a classic Masai guy. I just dont' see Maluach as the slam dunk every mock.

Jase is interesting too, his measurements are going to dictate a lot of what happens.

If CMB had declared for the draft last year, he would have been ranked #1 on my personal big board. IMO he made a mistake by not declaring last year, because I think he would have went higher in last year's draft than he'll end up going this year.

I've seen reports about Jase suggesting that his physical measurements are similar to his dad. Jason was 6'6" with a 6'11" wingspan, so if Jase also has a +5 wingspan to height ratio, he could measure out with a 6'8" wingspan at the combine considering his listed height is 6'3".
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Post#52 » by PushDaRock » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:42 pm

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PushDaRock wrote:Flagg will be solid backup 4 for us next season

He could win ROTY and 6MOTY in the same year. How many rookies can say that?


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Post#53 » by PushDaRock » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:43 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
ciueli wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:wasting your lottery pick on a big man when you already have your front court solved with Barnes and Poeltl is peak idiocy


Who is the backup PF and backup C? There are no credible players at either spot and no money to fill either hole with a veteran.


pro tip: you don't need to waste your lottery pick on a bench player


Who wouldn't be a bench player next season if we pick at the 7-9 range?
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Post#54 » by mademan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:44 pm

Jase Richardson being that big of a + wingspan would be a player. Being 50/40 in your freshman year is impressive, and if he measures out that well, he's definitely an option. Guard glut or not
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Post#55 » by PushDaRock » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:46 pm

brwnman wrote:It's unlikely but I hope there's a way to get out of IQ's contract this summer. Some rumors floating around moving RJ with Ingram's arrival, but I think moving IQ should be a priority. He's overpaid and quite frankly, not very good. His fit with Barnes is overrated, and he's much better suited for a 6th man role.


You want to get rid of him because you think he's overpaid but who do you replace him with? Who's on a bargain deal that would be on par with IQ and available?
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Post#56 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:48 pm

mademan wrote:Jase Richardson being that big of a + wingspan would be a player. Being 50/40 in your freshman year is impressive, and if he measures out that well, he's definitely an option. Guard glut or not


i can see a gradey to brooklyn trade for late 1st(s) to grab some big man depth if they go that route
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Post#57 » by PushDaRock » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:53 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
mademan wrote:Jase Richardson being that big of a + wingspan would be a player. Being 50/40 in your freshman year is impressive, and if he measures out that well, he's definitely an option. Guard glut or not


i can see a gradey to brooklyn trade for late 1st(s) to grab some big man depth if they go that route


That's basically never been how Masai operates. He doesn't trade his younger players for more immediate help with lower upside.
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Post#58 » by mtcan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:56 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
mademan wrote:Jase Richardson being that big of a + wingspan would be a player. Being 50/40 in your freshman year is impressive, and if he measures out that well, he's definitely an option. Guard glut or not


i can see a gradey to brooklyn trade for late 1st(s) to grab some big man depth if they go that route


That's basically never been how Masai operates. He doesn't trade his younger players for more immediate help with lower upside.

Ya we aren't trading a recent former lottery pick for a player at a lesser draft position.

Derek Lively for Gradey Dick is kinda perfect for both teams involved.
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Post#59 » by mademan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 4:59 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
mademan wrote:Jase Richardson being that big of a + wingspan would be a player. Being 50/40 in your freshman year is impressive, and if he measures out that well, he's definitely an option. Guard glut or not


i can see a gradey to brooklyn trade for late 1st(s) to grab some big man depth if they go that route


That's basically never been how Masai operates. He doesn't trade his younger players for more immediate help with lower upside.


That wouldnt be for more immediate help though. It would be for a rookie contract for a player who has genuinely disappointed at a position where we have a lot of depth. Its not clear that by merit Gradey will earn minutes next year over Ingram/RJ/Ochai/JKW/Battle. He may still get it because of the lotto pick investment, but that's 5 guys who all could be better than him next year. Minutes become even more competitive if we draft a guard/wing

Dick or RJ trade is definitely an option if BPA is a guard. There's a real glut, and those 2 are worst defenders
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Post#60 » by mademan » Wed Apr 16, 2025 5:01 pm

mtcan wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
i can see a gradey to brooklyn trade for late 1st(s) to grab some big man depth if they go that route


That's basically never been how Masai operates. He doesn't trade his younger players for more immediate help with lower upside.

Ya we aren't trading a recent former lottery pick for a player at a lesser draft position.

Derek Lively for Gradey Dick is kinda perfect for both teams involved.


Dallas would never consider it. Lively has real injury issues, but he's actually proven to be a capable winning player at his position and projects to be a real starter in this league. Gradey has to produce to be worth Lively and he just hasnt. You can only live off of draft position for so long

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