KD to the Knicks part 2?

[3toheadmelo]

Durant hasn't done anything in the post season since that happened though. He was really bad bro. Like nevermind Tatum. Al Horford was guarding Durant on switches and KD couldn't even take him off the dribble and was getting stripped.

I'm not making a case for KAT. I'm saying that trading him for a 37 year old Durant will be a horrible move.

His age, injury history, and frankly again, he's not a floor or ceiling raiser at this point.

Now if you want to trade for Giannis, and then flip possibly Mikal and Josh Hart for pieces that would fit around a Brunson/Giannis/OG core, that makes a lot more sense especially for the current timeline.

^how does that sound?

(The draft capital situation also complicates all of this and we might be stuck with this team)

What do you mean? He’s bounced back since that anomaly of a series. His last two years in the playoffs he’s averaged 28 PPG. Do you know how crazy it would be for Brunson to have a scorer like that next to him in the playoffs?

KAT is fools gold to me. KD is old which I get, but KAT has been a loser for the majority of his career, especially at the 5.

Id love to get Giannis and he’s definitely my preference over KD for sure.

Suns got swept last year by Karl's team and he was a negative on the floor in all 4 games. This year Phoenix couldn't make the play in. I think Durant won't give us what we need and it will be a lateral move. If we're gonna use Karl's salary slot to upgrade it has to be a win now player in their prime.

We agree on Giannis tho so I'm with you on that part

Where exactly was KD a negative in that series tho?

Durant averaged 26.8 points on 55.2% shooting from the field with 6.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks over four games.

And also, KAT played the 4 last year. Which he isn’t doing anymore.

[nedleeds]

KAT for KD. Mikal for Zion.

Mikal for zion is wishing upon a star.

The idea that the Knicks are going to trade an all star possibly All NBA big man in his prime for a 37 year old Kevin Durant is just basketball malpractice.

I'd do this trade in a hot second. After we get bounced and realize KAT isn't leading anyone anywhere we owe 3 more years to him at a mind blowing $53, 57 and 61. We get one more fake title run with KD and when we once again over rate our coach, roster and front office we get off KATs cap killer. KAT is only going to get more injured, and worse as he ages out of his 'prime'.

KD is expiring next year at $54, I'm sure there's a trade that works. It's $1 million off.

Either way we win nothing, one way we shed $120 million.

[Stannis]

This isn't 2007. If KD doesn't ink an extension prior/during the trade, it's going to be a lot of drama. So you have to assume he has 3 more years left on his deal (more expensive than KAT). You can't just assume he's a year expiring at $54m.

This is how the league works now, especially for players like KD. You have to extend them 1 year in advance at the bare minimum.

[nedleeds]

This isn't 2007. If KD doesn't ink an extension prior/during the trade, it's going to be a lot of drama. So you have to assume he has 3 more years left on his deal (more expensive than KAT). You can't just assume he's a year expiring at $54m.

This is how the league works now, especially for players like KD. You have to extend them 1 year in advance at the bare minimum.

Well its the Jimmy Butler situation, but this you have to think will happen if it did at the draft. They can promise him whatever, he doesn't have a no trade. If he pouts, sits out, or blows his achilles getting off the bus **** 'em. Dream scenario is he does just that since 2026 is our last 1st for a while.

[whocares1]

KAT for KD. Mikal for Zion.

Mikal for zion is wishing upon a star.

Durant is too.

I tried multiple trade combinations that don't involve trading Brunson, OG and KAT and none of them worked.

The idea that the Knicks are going to trade an all star possibly All NBA big man in his prime for a 37 year old Kevin Durant is just basketball malpractice.

If it's Giannis, sure. Giannis is a top 5 player. I make that trade today if I could, and I love Karl, but Giannis, OG, Brunson would do a lot of damage.

But Durant couldn't even get his team to the play in this season. He hasn't been a factor in actual winning in years. I keep bringing this up and people ignore it: go watch what happened to Durant vs Boston in 2022. I'd never trust that guy to elevate a team after that.

Sorry melo I don't see it my man

KD for Bridges and Hart does work tho.

[Guano]

Mikal for zion is wishing upon a star.

Durant is too.

I tried multiple trade combinations that don't involve trading Brunson, OG and KAT and none of them worked.

The idea that the Knicks are going to trade an all star possibly All NBA big man in his prime for a 37 year old Kevin Durant is just basketball malpractice.

If it's Giannis, sure. Giannis is a top 5 player. I make that trade today if I could, and I love Karl, but Giannis, OG, Brunson would do a lot of damage.

But Durant couldn't even get his team to the play in this season. He hasn't been a factor in actual winning in years. I keep bringing this up and people ignore it: go watch what happened to Durant vs Boston in 2022. I'd never trust that guy to elevate a team after that.

Sorry melo I don't see it my man

KD for Bridges and Hart does work tho.

Does it tho

[KnicksGadfly]

Mikal for zion is wishing upon a star.

Durant is too.

I tried multiple trade combinations that don't involve trading Brunson, OG and KAT and none of them worked.

The idea that the Knicks are going to trade an all star possibly All NBA big man in his prime for a 37 year old Kevin Durant is just basketball malpractice.

If it's Giannis, sure. Giannis is a top 5 player. I make that trade today if I could, and I love Karl, but Giannis, OG, Brunson would do a lot of damage.

But Durant couldn't even get his team to the play in this season. He hasn't been a factor in actual winning in years. I keep bringing this up and people ignore it: go watch what happened to Durant vs Boston in 2022. I'd never trust that guy to elevate a team after that.

Sorry melo I don't see it my man

I know he got destroyed by Tatum in 2022. But you’re cherry picking only one series versus his whole playoff career where he’s been one of the best players of all time. Thats not fair.

There is a reason why there was no teams that wanted to trade for KAT besides us. His defense is the worst in the league at the 5 position. Which teams in recent have won a championship with an awful defender at the 5 besides Jokic who’s a future hall of a famer? You can’t name anyone.

I think it matters a lot for two reasons: one, KD has aged since then and Tatum has gotten better. Two, because we will most likely need to go through Boston to get to our ultimate goal.

I think beyond that, we really do need to try out KAT at the 4. Even Jokic isn't an awful defender anymore. He's not amazing but he's more like average. 'They also built around him too. I think the only alternative is that we find ways to maximize KAT on offense...if Mazzula was coaching KAT, he'd probably be having him launch a lot more threes a game. Even that offense-only strategy is really hard.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Durant is too.

I tried multiple trade combinations that don't involve trading Brunson, OG and KAT and none of them worked.

The idea that the Knicks are going to trade an all star possibly All NBA big man in his prime for a 37 year old Kevin Durant is just basketball malpractice.

If it's Giannis, sure. Giannis is a top 5 player. I make that trade today if I could, and I love Karl, but Giannis, OG, Brunson would do a lot of damage.

But Durant couldn't even get his team to the play in this season. He hasn't been a factor in actual winning in years. I keep bringing this up and people ignore it: go watch what happened to Durant vs Boston in 2022. I'd never trust that guy to elevate a team after that.

Sorry melo I don't see it my man

KD for Bridges and Hart does work tho.

Does it tho

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

[Guano]

KD for Bridges and Hart does work tho.

Does it tho

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

It's the four unprotected future first-round picks, and a 2028 pick swap that were included in that trade. Sure he is a lil older but to suggest that the suns would take mikal and jHart for kd is a stretch

[MrDollarBills]

KD for Bridges and Hart does work tho.

Does it tho

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

Yeah this is what i mean.

Brooklyn and Phoenix have been sent to the dark ages after dealing with Durant. Everything he touches seems to die.

Leon and Wes need to be tampering with Giannis (pause???) as we speak. He's the guy that raises the ceiling

[MrDollarBills]

Does it tho

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

It's the four unprotected future first-round picks, and a 2028 pick swap that were included in that trade. Sure he is a lil older but to suggest that the suns would take mikal and jHart for kd is a stretch

They wouldn't. They'd ask for KAT and that's a hard pass

[MrDollarBills]

What do you mean? He’s bounced back since that anomaly of a series. His last two years in the playoffs he’s averaged 28 PPG. Do you know how crazy it would be for Brunson to have a scorer like that next to him in the playoffs?

KAT is fools gold to me. KD is old which I get, but KAT has been a loser for the majority of his career, especially at the 5.

Id love to get Giannis and he’s definitely my preference over KD for sure.

Suns got swept last year by Karl's team and he was a negative on the floor in all 4 games. This year Phoenix couldn't make the play in. I think Durant won't give us what we need and it will be a lateral move. If we're gonna use Karl's salary slot to upgrade it has to be a win now player in their prime.

We agree on Giannis tho so I'm with you on that part

Where exactly was KD a negative in that series tho?

Durant averaged 26.8 points on 55.2% shooting from the field with 6.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks over four games.

And also, KAT played the 4 last year. Which he isn’t doing anymore.

Go look at the game logs.

KD put up good stats this year too and his team didn't even make the play in.

[Guano]

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

It's the four unprotected future first-round picks, and a 2028 pick swap that were included in that trade. Sure he is a lil older but to suggest that the suns would take mikal and jHart for kd is a stretch

They wouldn't. They'd ask for KAT and that's a hard pass

I honestly would do it. It's a risky gamble but we desperately need a second creator.

And I'd look to move mikal for a big.

Sure it kills us in the long run but fck it. I want sham and wongo to see another chip before they become worm food.

[Stannis]

Yeah, I'm going to go on the record on saying keep KAT over KD.

[Guano]

Suns got swept last year by Karl's team and he was a negative on the floor in all 4 games. This year Phoenix couldn't make the play in. I think Durant won't give us what we need and it will be a lateral move. If we're gonna use Karl's salary slot to upgrade it has to be a win now player in their prime.

We agree on Giannis tho so I'm with you on that part

Where exactly was KD a negative in that series tho?

Durant averaged 26.8 points on 55.2% shooting from the field with 6.5 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.5 blocks over four games.

And also, KAT played the 4 last year. Which he isn’t doing anymore.

Go look at the game logs.

KD put up good stats this year too and his team didn't even make the play in.

Then that sounds like it's everyone else fault.

[Stannis]

Does it tho

I feel like Knick fans refuse to learn from history or the misfortune of other teams, I'm almost certain we could go into the Suns forum find an old thread and people would be saying Cam Johnson & Bridges for KD works as well

It's the four unprotected future first-round picks, and a 2028 pick swap that were included in that trade. Sure he is a lil older but to suggest that the suns would take mikal and jHart for kd is a stretch

Yeah, if the players included are 2 of Mikal, OG, Hart plus Mitch and other filler... it'll still going to take a haul of picks to get the Suns to agree to a trade.

I think the Knicks still have 3 tradable 1st rounders.

They also have 7 2nd rounders lol.

I'm not saying they will offer all of that, but I do believe it keeps the Knicks in the running for KD.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It's the four unprotected future first-round picks, and a 2028 pick swap that were included in that trade. Sure he is a lil older but to suggest that the suns would take mikal and jHart for kd is a stretch

They wouldn't. They'd ask for KAT and that's a hard pass

I honestly would do it. It's a risky gamble but we desperately need a second creator.

And I'd look to move mikal for a big.

Sure it kills us in the long run but fck it. I want sham and wongo to see another chip before they become worm food.

That's the shell game, where you end up chasing the next need and end up worse than before. Because once you move Mikal for the big you now need a 2, how can you get the 2? You're not starting Deuce or Hart at the 2, so you have to trade Hart, Deuce or both, and now you have even less of a rotation than before, except now your 2nd best player is 37.

[GONYK]

They wouldn't. They'd ask for KAT and that's a hard pass

I honestly would do it. It's a risky gamble but we desperately need a second creator.

And I'd look to move mikal for a big.

Sure it kills us in the long run but fck it. I want sham and wongo to see another chip before they become worm food.

That's the shell game, where you end up chasing the next need and end up worse than before. Because once you move Mikal for the big you now need a 2, how can you get the 2? You're not starting Deuce or Hart at the 2, so you have to trade Hart, Deuce or both, and now you have even less of a rotation than before, except now your 2nd best player is 37.

This is literally exactly how Phoenix ended up in the position they are in

[spree2kawhi]

I honestly would do it. It's a risky gamble but we desperately need a second creator.

And I'd look to move mikal for a big.

Sure it kills us in the long run but fck it. I want sham and wongo to see another chip before they become worm food.

That's the shell game, where you end up chasing the next need and end up worse than before. Because once you move Mikal for the big you now need a 2, how can you get the 2? You're not starting Deuce or Hart at the 2, so you have to trade Hart, Deuce or both, and now you have even less of a rotation than before, except now your 2nd best player is 37.

This is literally exactly how Phoenix ended up in the position they are in

This whole thing is a self-serving farce anyway.

[Guano]

They wouldn't. They'd ask for KAT and that's a hard pass

I honestly would do it. It's a risky gamble but we desperately need a second creator.

And I'd look to move mikal for a big.

Sure it kills us in the long run but fck it. I want sham and wongo to see another chip before they become worm food.

That's the shell game, where you end up chasing the next need and end up worse than before. Because once you move Mikal for the big you now need a 2, how can you get the 2? You're not starting Deuce or Hart at the 2, so you have to trade Hart, Deuce or both, and now you have even less of a rotation than before, except now your 2nd best player is 37.

The Suns fcked up by going all in on Beal.... kinda like we did with mikal