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[NecessaryEvil]

The Bulls will move into the top 4. The league will reward us. 2nd best record in the east since all-star.

Reward us? We already have 3 franchise players, remember?

Never said that

Quit being silly bro

[TheGOATRises007]

What really sucks is that a bad blowout in the play-in should cause the VP and/or coach to be fired, but we know AK & Billy will just be back again while Malone & Booth were fired for only having a 4th seed.

Reinsdorf is terrible

The dude preferred tanking over a shot at a 7th title

He's lucky that he lucked into MJ and Phil

[drosestruts]

Got absolutley spanked tonight.

Herro got whatever he wanted and the ESPN broadcast highlighted how the Heat face no defense, pressure, on contest when attacking the rim. Heat looked at the red paint on the floor and saw a red carpet.

Wasn't any different when Collins or Smith were in there either.

Poor POA defense and poor paint defense, and the offense wasn't able to bail us out tonight.


So where do we go? I don't think it's a game that ends with anyone getting fired - that seems a little knee-jerky.

I'm happy we traded for Giddey and hope we re-sign hime

I'm happy we drafted Matas.


Before the all-star break we were the 10th seed, after the season we're the 10th seed.

At the All-star break we were 5 games ahead of Toronto, we finished 9 games ahead of them. We were always making the play-in.


I do think there's an emerging trend in who's winning the play-in games and it kind of points to the opposite of what most people here want:

Golden State is full of championship experience between Curry, Green, and Butler

Dallas has Klay and AD

Miami has Bam, Herro, Wiggins


Our vet leader is.... Nikola Vucevic

I do think we have some intruiging young talent, we're definitley missing some veteran talent.

picks eventually become players, we have plenty who were drafted high:

Ball - 2
Williams - 4
Giddey - 6
White - 7
Smith - 10
Collins - 10
Buzelis - 11


TL/DR - Trade ofr Durant.

[Shill]

Do you mean something like Orlando's pick (#16) in the draft? That's not very exciting.

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

[umfan83]

It was a miracle we won 39 games

We lack talent a lot.

The bench is awful

Need wholesale changes. I'd only keep Giddey for the right price. Vuc better not be here next season.

I think what people said about our fast paced style is true - works well over the grind of an NBA season but when teams have time to game plan for it and can shut down the transition game the Bulls just played a bunch of ineffective iso.

We’re so far away from anything interesting, but at the same time for the first time I think we have interesting pieces whether as building blocks or as assets available for trade. A competent FO might have a chance to improve the team this offseason. Let’s see what this one does.

[Chi town]

As a side note, I've dogged Wiggins for his entire NBA career, but he kicked our ass tonight. I wish that we had a wing who defended like that.

Wiggins does that once per year.

Herro’s performance is a once every 25 games type for him.

Heat played and shot about as good as they could.

Their vets made our bench look like rookies.

[Chi town]

Um. Ok cool at least we know we don't have to pay anyone.

And as his biggest hater, shout out to Vuc the only guy that showed up.

Vuc was a layup line on D.

Dude sold big time.

Empty stats after the blowout had set in.

[Chi town]

The Kings reuniting Derozan and Zach is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

Grateful… not my problem.

[Dan Z]

Trade Coby and Vuc.

Start:

C Smith
PF Buzelis
SF Terry/Phillips
SG Ayo
PG Giddey


Lose a bunch of games and find out who the keepers are.

I wanted them to do something similar this season.

Trade Caruso for picks instead of Giddey (who I like, but didn't want him over picks). Would OKC give up their 2024 pick plus a future late pick? If so, you draft someone like Ware in 2024 and have your future center (Vuc can go).

Then trade Zach asap and the team is bad.

No Giddey and the team tanks...where do you think they'd be in the draft? Maybe around the same spot as Philly? 5? Better? Worse?

Then you go into next year with Matas, Ware, the top pick (2025), Coby and two additional picks (Portland and the 2nd one from the Caruso trade I mentioned above). You can trade Coby if a decent deal is out there.

[MrSparkle]

I think the real focus/analysis needs to be Giddey. His statline was surprisingly solid despite the bad night. But you could also see that Miami’s defense suffocated his free flowing offense. Couldn’t do much individually. The PnR didn’t work. Coby/Huerter/Vuc going cold didn’t help. I lean towards RFA, matching hopefully what ends up being $30m. Still our best player i think.

Coby in my mind is just not a premiere option. More like an x-factor. He’s either very bad or very good. Tonight just being a complete disaster on both ends.

Vuc, Pat just useless.

Huerter had a horrible night, though I think he offers better play generally. Maybe a 2 out of 6 nights playoff guy. Starter caliber, but like 5th option.

Matas had a decent debut. I don’t know why he didn’t just play 48m, TBH. Pat sucks. Terry struggled. Phillips deserved more a chance. Along with Jalen and Zach.

[ScrantonBulls]

Trade Coby and Vuc.

Start:

C Smith
PF Buzelis
SF Terry/Phillips
SG Ayo
PG Giddey


Lose a bunch of games and find out who the keepers are.

I wanted them to do something similar this season.

Trade Caruso for picks instead of Giddey (who I like, but didn't want him over picks). Would OKC give up their 2024 pick plus a future late pick? If so, you draft someone like Ware in 2024 and have your future center (Vuc can go).

Then trade Zach asap and the team is bad.

No Giddey and the team tanks...where do you think they'd be in the draft? Maybe around the same spot as Philly? 5? Better? Worse?

Then you go into next year with Matas, Ware, the top pick (2025), Coby and two additional picks (Portland and the 2nd one from the Caruso trade I mentioned above). You can trade Coby is a decent deal is out there.

Your plan feels like it is so obviously the better and smarter plan compared to what was done. The refusal to tank for even a year mind boggling. Instead we're going to be perpetually in the play in.

[GoBlue72391]

The Bulls will move into the top 4. The league will reward us. 2nd best record in the east since all-star.

Reward us? We already have 3 franchise players, remember?

Never said that

Quit being silly bro

You said Giddey is a franchise player and implied Coby and Matas are too, if not outright stated it.

[The Box Office]

What the heck is Billy Donovan is still doing here?

[CROBulls]

Hahaha this franchise is circus. And their fans who support this are clowns. Sorry guys but some things are true

[GoBlue72391]

Do you mean something like Orlando's pick (#16) in the draft? That's not very exciting.

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf

What's the better path? Trading Coby for a young player and a pick, or handing him a max contract?

[Dan Z]

Trade Coby and Vuc.

Start:

C Smith
PF Buzelis
SF Terry/Phillips
SG Ayo
PG Giddey


Lose a bunch of games and find out who the keepers are.

I wanted them to do something similar this season.

Trade Caruso for picks instead of Giddey (who I like, but didn't want him over picks). Would OKC give up their 2024 pick plus a future late pick? If so, you draft someone like Ware in 2024 and have your future center (Vuc can go).

Then trade Zach asap and the team is bad.

No Giddey and the team tanks...where do you think they'd be in the draft? Maybe around the same spot as Philly? 5? Better? Worse?

Then you go into next year with Matas, Ware, the top pick (2025), Coby and two additional picks (Portland and the 2nd one from the Caruso trade I mentioned above). You can trade Coby is a decent deal is out there.

Your plan feels like it is so obviously the better and smarter plan compared to what was done. The refusal to tank for even a year mind boggling. Instead we're going to be perpetually in the play in.

I think AK wanted to re-tool instead of rebuild, but sometimes you have to realize that things aren't working and it's okay to start over.

The other thing is that going into this season we all knew it'd be a bit of a mess (maybe 'mess' isn't the right word?) because Zach was on the trade market. With that in mind...why not aim for the highest pick you can get in the 2025 draft?

[kodo]

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

Well...Kyrie + Luka is a defensively worse backcourt, and they got to the Finals. Luka is significantly worse than anyone on the Bulls.
What happens on the P&R is the guard is screened off and the C has the bulk of the responsibility for preventing a score from the ballhandler, same as it was Jo's job to stop the P&R not Derrick's. Dallas got to the Finals because they had Gafford + Lively, Luka's atrocious D didn't stop them. Murray is also a terrible defender.

I mean it's 4Q, elimination game, Herro is going off all game mostly inside, and who the heck is Vuc even guarding on this possession where Herro gets a layup at the rim? His man Bam is by the 3P line but Vuc isn't there, and Vuc is nowhere near the rim either. He's guarding a space on the floor with no Heat player.



2 minutes earlier, Herro gets another shot at the restricted area 2' from the rim, Vuc doesn't even get a hand up he's just watching Herro shoot.



Vuc reminds me of when reporters asked Skiles what Eddy Curry could do to improve his rebounding. "Jump."

[Red8911]

What the heck is Billy Donovan is still doing here?

Would be nice to pick up a tougher couch like Mike Malone or even Budenhozer but we all know hall of famer Billy Donovan isn’t going anywhere unless he himself decides to move on to something else.

[TheGOATRises007]

Giddey and Coby are not a winning backcourt. They're just too unathletic/defensively deficient. It's fine for the regular season.

Between the two players, I think Giddey has more upside, so I would pick him.

Well...Kyrie + Luka is a defensively worse backcourt, and they got to the Finals. Luka is significantly worse than anyone on the Bulls.
What happens on the P&R is the guard is screened off and the C has the bulk of the responsibility for preventing a score from the ballhandler, same as it was Jo's job to stop the P&R not Derrick's. Dallas got to the Finals because they had Gafford + Lively, Luka's atrocious D didn't stop them. Murray is also a terrible defender.

I mean it's 4Q, elimination game, Herro is going off all game mostly inside, and who the heck is Vuc even guarding on this possession where Herro gets a layup at the rim? His man Bam is by the 3P line but Vuc isn't there, and Vuc is nowhere near the rim either. He's guarding a space on the floor with no Heat player.



2 minutes earlier, Herro gets another shot at the restricted area 2' from the rim, Vuc doesn't even get a hand up he's just watching Herro shoot.



Vuc reminds me of when reporters asked Skiles what Eddy Curry could do to improve his rebounding. "Jump."

Luka played better D last season en route to the finals tbf.

[Indomitable]

This was a blessing. The fans needed to understand just how far away we are, as does AK.

It’s also better for negotiating with Giddey that we got spanked quick. Not that he’s losing money, but had he played great and lead us into a decent round against Cleveland his value would have gone way up.

And it’s better for our lottery odds. Which we very clearly need.

You think AK will really understand how far away we are? I have my doubts.

They are to busy trying sell BS. At least Krause and Pax actually seemed to care to win.