Billy D or new coach

[WesPeace]

Billy D had 5 years with Bulls, I think its more than enough, we need to replace him. He got outcoached badly again yesterday vs Spoelstra. Five years is a long run and change of scenery sometimes boosts team a bit. He is kind good guy, solid A to B coach,but he lacks a lot in many areas to be tier 1 NBA coach.

AKME should be gone as well,but thats almost impossible I feel at this stage.

I think now its ideal time to go for new coach,because after a long time,there is plenty of solid options to go after. Malone, Jenkins, Budenholzer and Brown all available. My preference Mike Malone. Of course there is no guarantee any of them would want to come to rebuilding team.

Who would be your choice,if possible?

[Evil_Headband]

I don’t think Billy has lost the players and outwardly seems to be on the same page as management and ownership. The guys on your list don’t have a good track record in those regards.

Keep Billy.

[eierluke]

I'm with you, we need a coaching change.
But I want someone with a new idea of how to play a game, with maybe an experienced defensive coach aside, a team a la Phil Jackson, Tex Winter, Johnny Bach.
Don't bring me one of these listed experienced worn out coaches

[RSP83]

Billy D had 5 years with Bulls, I think its more than enough, we need to replace him. He got outcoached badly again yesterday vs Spoelstra. Five years is a long run and change of scenery sometimes boosts team a bit. He is kind good guy, solid A to B coach,but he lacks a lot in many areas to be tier 1 NBA coach.

AKME should be gone as well,but thats almost impossible I feel at this stage.

I think now its ideal time to go for new coach,because after a long time,there is plenty of solid options to go after. Malone, Jenkins, Budenholzer and Brown all available. My preference Mike Malone. Of course there is no guarantee any of them would want to come to rebuilding team.

Who would be your choice,if possible?

I'm not refuting this fact. But with this team, whoever the coach we need to define what success is like for this team. In my opinion:
Success = young player growth (good player habit growth, not bad player habit growth, overall team growth)
Bonus +1 = improved record directly derived from young player growth
Bonus +2 = make the playoff directly derived from young player growth

So I put young player growth as the primary most important goal. Meaning Billy being worst tactician than Spo is not really a big issue as long as Billy is good at developing talent. This season if I have praise Billy it would be for how well he got Coby, Giddey, and Matas played really well post ASG. You can argue that Terry, Philips also got better. He also did well in integrating Zach Collins, Huerter, and Tre Jones as well. So IMO he's doing well in young player development (this does not apply to Pat... but not sure this is Billy's fault).

Now if we replace with Billy with those guys in the poll... they will be working with the same roster. Depending on how you rate the roster, but personally, at current state, I'm not sure there's a lot of extra win that can be squeezed out of this roster.

So for me it's pointless to change coach if the roster is still the same, because Billy is already doing well in developing talent and either him or others in the poll are not going to turn this team into contenders. This is a very different situation from the Jim Boylen situation where there's a lot of worrying indication (e.g., player mutiny).

[Lunartic]

I'll take Jenkins or Malone

Billy sucks and has been bad for years. AKME has just been awful which allows critics to be dismissed with platitudes like "well billy is the least of our problems!"
As if we shouldn't look to improve at all times- in big and small ways.

The only glimmer of hope this season was Coby getting hot, Giddey being a walking triple double and Buz being a great rookie.

They aren't being coached exceptionally well and the offense/defense regularly looks awful.

[DuckIII]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

[samwana]

Both need to go, the FO for putting together weird mediocre teams and BD because he doesn't have in game expertise.
Young guys also need to learn the ropes in games that matter, not only late season against tank teams.
To lose against Spo may not be that bad, but to be unprepared for the third year in a row in the post-season is.

[ChettheJet]

I select Option Billy D

Do you honestly think the coaching is holding back a great roster? Or are you so childish as to think that there's a championship coach, who face it 8-10 coaches get fired every season, is the answer to propel this team to a title?

Wise up, what happens in every championship run is a group of players comes together, they responds to a given coach at just the right period in time and they win. Maybe just one, maybe 2 out of 4 or 3 of 5 but it's just the right combination of the two and then it's over and somebody else hits the mark.

[MrSparkle]

I think he sucks at coaching play-in and playoff games. He also seems to tinker indecisively (and stubbornly, if it was possible for the two to co-exist) at the top of seasons. Kept trying to run Coby/Zach/Vuc together while forcing Pat and icing the rest of the talent.

Also don’t think firing him would necessarily change our regular season record, in the end.

We’re sharing the same tread-mill with Sacramento. They’ve fired 3 coaches in the same span as Billy. There’s an argument that the firing mill doesn’t accomplish much of anything. In the end, you need to draft your Haliburtons, and keep your Haliburtons. Quite funny how many common threads there are between the 2 mills.

I will say that the longevity and development may have some positive albeit minor returns regarding the farm. If Coby gets overpaid, Matas stalls and Pat doesn’t improve (or get traded… neither looking likely), this theory may as well detonate. You can’t spend 5 years developing a crew of 10-seed play-in losers, while other teams are managing Wemby, Flagg, Fox and future draft capital. Terry, Phillips, Ayo sometimes show signs- but come on now. These are vet min players. Might as well find Javonte.

[Red Larrivee]

Billy D had 5 years with Bulls, I think its more than enough, we need to replace him. He got outcoached badly again yesterday vs Spoelstra. Five years is a long run and change of scenery sometimes boosts team a bit. He is kind good guy, solid A to B coach,but he lacks a lot in many areas to be tier 1 NBA coach.

AKME should be gone as well,but thats almost impossible I feel at this stage.

I think now its ideal time to go for new coach,because after a long time,there is plenty of solid options to go after. Malone, Jenkins, Budenholzer and Brown all available. My preference Mike Malone. Of course there is no guarantee any of them would want to come to rebuilding team.

Who would be your choice,if possible?

I don't see how you can attribute last night's loss to an issue of coaching. You certainly don't get beat like that because of who your coach is. There was no adjustment to make to prevent that result in real time.

I'm not against replacing Donovan, but he's not a major issue either. He's yet to have a roster where he left meat on the bone at the end of the season. He also hasn't lost the locker room, nor does he have a negative relationship with the front office.

4 of the last 6 coaches who've won championships have been fired. This is and always will be a talent league. I don't think the Bulls are any closer to being a great team by replacing Donovan with any of the above coaches.

[MrSparkle]

Billy D had 5 years with Bulls, I think its more than enough, we need to replace him. He got outcoached badly again yesterday vs Spoelstra. Five years is a long run and change of scenery sometimes boosts team a bit. He is kind good guy, solid A to B coach,but he lacks a lot in many areas to be tier 1 NBA coach.

AKME should be gone as well,but thats almost impossible I feel at this stage.

I think now its ideal time to go for new coach,because after a long time,there is plenty of solid options to go after. Malone, Jenkins, Budenholzer and Brown all available. My preference Mike Malone. Of course there is no guarantee any of them would want to come to rebuilding team.

Who would be your choice,if possible?

I don't see how you can attribute last night's loss to an issue of coaching. You certainly don't get beat like that because of who your coach is. There was no adjustment to make to prevent that result in real time.

I'm not against replacing Donovan, but he's not a major issue either. He's yet to have a roster where he left meat on the bone at the end of the season. He also hasn't lost the locker room, nor does he have a negative relationship with the front office.

4 of the last 6 coaches who've won championships have been fired. This is and always will be a talent league. I don't think the Bulls are any closer to being a great team by replacing Donovan with any of the above coaches.

I respectfully disagree. They have 1 offensive option who is a defensive sieve and 3P specialist, and a bunch of mediocre defensive shooters, and we let them have a field day in the paint. Our defensive C played 4 minutes, and the other more athletic big played 3.

[Chi town]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

Billy should get AK fired and bring in a GM that knows how to build a team.

Or become GM and pick his coach.

Billy is not the problem. AK is.

[DuckIII]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

Billy should get AK fired and bring in a GM that knows how to build a team.

Or become GM and pick his coach.

Billy is not the problem. AK is.

First, I agree.

Second, I’m not even saying BD is not “a” problem. He might be. But so far he has pretty clearly overachieved. To our detriment actually, so I guess that actually is a downside.

On the other hand, some guys are good at maximizing bad rosters but aren’t “homestretch” coaches. Maybe that’s him. Maybe he won’t be our guy.

But based on what has happened so far, blaming Donovan - sorry to be a dime store psychologist here - probably means he didn’t treat your favorite player the way you wanted or you are one of this “always be winning” types who has to be convinced the roster is actually good to justify their disdain of maximizing draft assets.

[sco]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

Billy should get AK fired and bring in a GM that knows how to build a team.

Or become GM and pick his coach.

Billy is not the problem. AK is.

First, I agree.

Second, I’m not even saying BD is not “a” problem. He might be. But so far he has pretty clearly overachieved. To our detriment actually, so I guess that actually is a downside.

On the other hand, some guys are good at maximizing bad rosters but aren’t “homestretch” coaches. Maybe that’s him. Maybe he won’t be our guy.

But based on what has happened so far, blaming Donovan - sorry to be a dime store psychologist here - probably means he didn’t treat your favorite player the way you wanted or you are one of this “always be winning” types who has to be convinced the roster is actually good to justify their disdain of maximizing draft assets.

I doubt they fire BD. Didn't they just extend him a year ago?

I think that going forward, BD should be primarily evaluate on his development of Matas. So if Matas regresses next season (which is totally possible), I think he should be held accountable for that.

[FriedRise]

AK just said that Billy is absolutely the right coach here. Don't think he's getting fired.

[drosestruts]

Nah - Billy is a good coach and the ones you listed are available for a reason, and would not be an improvement.

[Jcool0]

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[kodo]

AK is the one that needs to be fired, and new top decision makers install their own coach. But generally it's a package deal.
Otherwise you get major disfunction if the VP/GM has to work with a coach he never wanted or gets along with, eg Foreman + Thibs.

AK obviously loves soft teams with absolutely no interior defense or athleticism, and Billy makes that happen so the two work together. If you want a change you have to fire AK, because AK probably thinks Billy is doing a great job of making AK's vision happen.

[NecessaryEvil]

I don’t think Billy has lost the players and outwardly seems to be on the same page as management and ownership. The guys on your list don’t have a good track record in those regards.

Keep Billy.

Holy hell

2 of those guys have a damn championship

[Hangtime84]

As far as I am concerned the Bulls have overperformed every year BD has been here.

It the FO, it’s the roster. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but how much more painfully obvious can our real problems be? And have been for years?

This season was the first adjustment.

Imo it’s obvious that AK values point of attack defense, but I think the next phase should be rim protection