Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

[closg00]

Taken from the draft thread.

Now that Dallas won their feel-good game against the kings, I predict they wilt against memphis. Knock on wood.

Dallas takes it.AD. Klay. And the Gafford/Lively combo is enough. Memphis has Ja but he’s going to try to attack the basket with a wall of size in front of him and get bounced. Unibrow cancels JJJ. Klay has experience on Bane. The Dallas bigs can overwhelm the rookie Edey. Unless someone on the Griz has the game of their life the Mavs advance. And the coaching staff is not fighting for their job. A draft pick helps more than another playoff series.

Nico will ultimately be proven right next-year when they have a healthy team next year, hopefully they play most of the season without a lot of DNPs.

[AFM]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

[nate33]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

I thought the trade could have worked over the short term for Dallas if (and it's a big if) Kyrie and Davis remained healthy. I thought they could have traded Lively for an equivalently good player at a wing position, somebody like Trey Murphy III. And then roll with Kyrie, Klay, Murphy, Washington, Davis, with Gafford, Dinwiddie and Grimes off the bench. That's a good team. But they couldn't stay healthy and they never traded a redundant Lively, so now they are unbalanced.

[AFM]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

I thought the trade could have worked over the short term for Dallas if (and it's a big if) Kyrie and Davis remained healthy. I thought they could have traded Lively for an equivalently good player at a wing position, somebody like Trey Murphy III. And then roll with Kyrie, Klay, Murphy, Washington, Davis, with Gafford, Dinwiddie and Grimes off the bench. That's a good team. But they couldn't stay healthy and they never traded a redundant Lively, so now they are unbalanced.

It's a good team but as we've all discussed by now they should have gotten far more in return picks wise. They really mortgaged their future to go all in on an old injury prone core. If they had received, say 4 FRPs, I could see it. They'd have the short term run with AD and Kyrie and have set up a light rebuild. Meanwhile the Lakers went from a mid team whose biggest news story was Bronny to possible contenders.

[closg00]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

Perhaps I am being too optimistic Kyrie is slated to return in January and we don't know if he is going to be a shadow of his former self. However, AD's DNP's have actually improved over the last 3 years:

2021-21: 42 DNPs
2022-23: 26 DNPs
2023-24: 6 DNPs

Dallas has not even had half a season with the new group to gel so "There's a chance" **Jim Carey voice**

[nate33]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

I thought the trade could have worked over the short term for Dallas if (and it's a big if) Kyrie and Davis remained healthy. I thought they could have traded Lively for an equivalently good player at a wing position, somebody like Trey Murphy III. And then roll with Kyrie, Klay, Murphy, Washington, Davis, with Gafford, Dinwiddie and Grimes off the bench. That's a good team. But they couldn't stay healthy and they never traded a redundant Lively, so now they are unbalanced.

It's a good team but as we've all discussed by now they should have gotten far more in return picks wise. They really mortgaged their future to go all in on an old injury prone core. If they had received, say 4 FRPs, I could see it. They'd have the short term run with AD and Kyrie and have set up a light rebuild. Meanwhile the Lakers went from a mid team whose biggest news story was Bronny to possible contenders.

Oh, I agree completely. The trade was so wildly lopsided that one has to conclude that something nefarious was involved. I'm just saying that Dallas still at least had a theoretical window of contention for another year or two if everything broke right.

[LyricalRico]

Kevin Durant has more head coach firings than rings.

[Kanyewest]

Kevin Durant has more head coach firings than rings.

It actually doesn't seem that uncommon. Under LeBron, 6 coaches while he was a player including Paul Silas, Mike Brown, David Blatt, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel, and Darvin Ham. Durant's 3 in 3 years is in special territory.

[Kanyewest]

Really? I think a large part of the issue with the trade is that Davis is going to have a lot of DNPs, he's on the wrong side of 30 (I hate typing that) and has the nickname "Streetclothes Davis" for a reason. And now Irving is possibly out for the entire season as well. If he'll be proven right it'll be in 2027 at the earliest.

Perhaps I am being too optimistic Kyrie is slated to return in January and we don't know if he is going to be a shadow of his former self. However, AD's DNP's have actually improved over the last 3 years:

2021-21: 42 DNPs
2022-23: 26 DNPs
2023-24: 6 DNPs

Dallas has not even had half a season with the new group to gel so "There's a chance" **Jim Carey voice**

It looks like the Mavs have a bad medical team https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44704219/inside-end-luka-doncic-era-dallas-mavericks

[FAH1223]

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[JAR69]

Special mention for Beal's NTC demolishing two entire organizations.

Kevin Durant has more head coach firings than rings.

It actually doesn't seem that uncommon. Under LeBron, 6 coaches while he was a player including Paul Silas, Mike Brown, David Blatt, Luke Walton, Frank Vogel, and Darvin Ham. Durant's 3 in 3 years is in special territory.

[DukeLecker]

I was debating with a friend whether Washington or Orlando has a better future outlook. Washington has an open slate, picks and cap space. Orlando has better players, but I see Paolo and Franz as a the front court version of Wall and Beal. They’re good, but not great, and gonna be crazy expensive pretty soon. They have the future of a 2nd round peak type team. Is there anything to get legit excited about with the Magic? They looked like the 2nd worst team in the playoffs this weekend.

[nate33]

I was debating with a friend whether Washington or Orlando has a better future outlook. Washington has an open slate, picks and cap space. Orlando has better players, but I see Paolo and Franz as a the front court version of Wall and Beal. They’re good, but not great, and gonna be crazy expensive pretty soon. They have the future of a 2nd round peak type team. Is there anything to get legit excited about with the Magic? They looked like the 2nd worst team in the playoffs this weekend.

I'd rather be Orlando. Suggs is good too, and he was hurt. And Paulo had a rough season with injuries but started looking offensively dominant by the end of the season. He has more upside in front of him and it wouldn't surprise me if he peaks out as a top 10-ish player. I don't think he has MVP potential so maybe that's not a championship roster, but I do think Orlando will be better for a longer period of time than the Wall/Beal Wizards.

[Endless Loop]

It looks like the Mavs have a bad medical team https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44704219/inside-end-luka-doncic-era-dallas-mavericks

Interesting to note that the Harrison move was in August of 2023, while Cuban sold in December of that year. I'm really surprised this happened under Cuban. But it sure seems like Cuban, who hired Harrison in 2021, has a lot of responsibility.

[doclinkin]

I was debating with a friend whether Washington or Orlando has a better future outlook.

Ask again after May 12th.

[gambitx777]

I was debating with a friend whether Washington or Orlando has a better future outlook.

Ask again after May 12th.

I would say you can maybe make the call now look at what the front office did . Like they go value out of beal. They go value out of Kuz, they go value out of Bagley. They got value out of a two way player. They are working magic


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[badinage]

I was debating with a friend whether Washington or Orlando has a better future outlook. Washington has an open slate, picks and cap space. Orlando has better players, but I see Paolo and Franz as a the front court version of Wall and Beal. They’re good, but not great, and gonna be crazy expensive pretty soon. They have the future of a 2nd round peak type team. Is there anything to get legit excited about with the Magic? They looked like the 2nd worst team in the playoffs this weekend.

I'd rather be Orlando. Suggs is good too, and he was hurt. And Paulo had a rough season with injuries but started looking offensively dominant by the end of the season. He has more upside in front of him and it wouldn't surprise me if he peaks out as a top 10-ish player. I don't think he has MVP potential so maybe that's not a championship roster, but I do think Orlando will be better for a longer period of time than the Wall/Beal Wizards.

But would you rather be Orlando or Washington from here on out? I think I’d rather be Washington. I agree with DukeLecker: Orlando has talent, but it’s not the right kind of talent, or not dynamic enough talent. And now they’re not gonna be able to add real pieces, unless they make trades. Washington — if they get lucky in the draft this year or next, or this year AND next — is the more intriguing.

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[Rafael122]

I'd rather have the Wizards outlook. Not being a homer here but the Magic can't shoot. Even with Suggs in there and healthy, they still couldn't shoot. They're running a 2000s, middie type of offense in 2025. Anthony Black, can't shoot. KCP, forgot to shoot.

[nate33]

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Wow! That's a big deal!